whats the deal with women and sex

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Stargazer wrote:

the urge to reproduce supersedes even the urge to survive

AGREED

Stargazer wrote:

one must also avoid the mental focus on sexual thoughts and actions

AGREED

Stargazer wrote:

lack of focus toward and expenditure on sex = time, energy and attention directed to other pursuits

AGREED

Stargazer wrote:

In other words, spending five minutes cranking one out, shooting a load on your keyboard, mopping it up and going back to work is a far more effective strategy for focus on your endeavors than spending an hour trying not to look at porn sites and expecting your stale jizz to fuel your brain cells.

Makes sense in theory, but when having sex or watching porn, dopamine is released into a region of the brain responsible for emotion and learning, giving the viewer a sense of sharp focus and a sense of craving. Sex or porn also trigger the release of oxytocin and vasopressin. These hormones help to lay down the long-term memories for the cells. They “bind” a person’s memories to the object that gave him or her the sexual pleasure. The body releases endorphins, natural opiates that create a “high,” a wave of pleasure over the whole body. After sexual release serotonin levels also change, bringing a sense of calm and relaxation.

One key driver of plastic change in the brain is the reward centre, which normally fires as we accomplish a goal. A brain chemical, dopamine, is released, giving us the thrill that goes with accomplishment. It also consolidates the connections between neurons in the brain that helped us accomplish that goal.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

AFT wrote:

Makes sense in theory, but when having sex or watching porn, dopamine is released into a region of the brain responsible for emotion and learning, giving the viewer a sense of sharp focus and a sense of craving.

This would be true of any pleasurable activity. There is nothing inherently different in the dopamine that comes from, say, sexual release, than that which comes from professional achievement, a delicious meal, a thrilling sporting activity, a fast car, etc etc.

So do you mean to extend the prohibition on sexual activity to all dopamine producing pleasurable activities that are not directly related to a singular pursuit of Tesla quality genius?

I mean hey, if you want to dedicate 100% of your attention to a solitary task and deny yourself all pleasure until that task is successfully completed in order to chemically underscore your focus and craving toward only that activity, then be my guest. But I would not say that MAKES you a genius. I would say it would make you Jack’s very dull boy.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Stargazer wrote:

There is nothing inherently different in the dopamine that comes from, say, sexual release, than that which comes from professional achievement, a delicious meal, a thrilling sporting activity, a fast car, etc etc.

I haven’t tried this myself but I gather limiting ones-self to harnessing the dopamine from achievement, is exactly what drives a man to achieve great things.

Now great things may mean different things to different people depending upon their abilities; and genius is a rare level of success indeed.

I would say that a genius and a very dull boy aren’t mutually exclusive either.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

For the record, I definitely think there is a correlation between intense focus and profound success, let me get that straight. But I believe the correlation is not what some would like to claim it is.

When you look at the output of a generally accepted genius such as Nikola Tesla or Elon Musk, two individuals who tend to be favorited by a certain community of enthusiasts, one sees a specific type of success and then desires to understand that success by looking at lifestyle, behaviors, modes of thinking… any sort of pattern that could be used to model and replicate the success.

One might look at Tesla and see that he forswore intimacy with females and conclude that this is the secret of his success. I’ve also heard it said that Musk’s genius comes from his ability to make quick decisions.

So from these simple observations, one could presume that if a normal person simply gave up sex and became more decisive, they could master the power of a Tesla and a Musk and become a super-genius.

This, I believe is a mistake. It may be an exciting lure for a person who already sees themself as a decision maker or who is living a celibate lifestyle, but it is a classic case of oversimplification in addition to a misunderstanding of causality.

I’m not as familiar with Elon Musk’s rise to fame and fortune so I will stick to talking about Tesla. I believe that Tesla’s genius is not a product of his “God of MGTOW” lifestyle, but rather the other way around. Here is a man who supposedly could envision a working model of a complex device in his head, explode and manipulate that model, exchange and improve elements, re-combine it and understand the results of those changes before ever committing any part of it to metal. If this is true, Tesla was a genius long before the appeal of sex would have ever come into his life.

His deep understanding of the fundamentals of harmonics as they apply to electromagnetism was born not of focus produced by concentrated effort, but of a wild and free imagination interacting with the natural world. He didn’t become Tesla because he never got laid, he never got laid because he was too busy being Tesla.

I suspect Elon Musk, on the other hand, has some level of sexual experience and that this has not negatively effected his mental efforts nor his fortune. I also suspect he didn’t get to be where he is today simply by being decisive about the need for commercial rockets. He was almost certainly Musk long before his success and that success came as a result of his natural abilities, not through the application of some gimmicky technique that someone would have you follow in order to sell you the idea that you could turn your own average mind into a genius mind like Musk’s.

I know people who believe this celibacy = genius stuff. I’ve openly stated that I think it’s crap. You’re not going to become the next Tesla by restricting your sex drive to pigeons or the next Musk by deciding that rockets are cool. To be a genius, you need something far more rare and innate than these things… and it’s my firm opinion that anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.

You want a formula for greatness? Maybe you’re better off with Gladwell’s 10,000 hour rule… at least with this process you can develop some degree of proficiency at your chosen task. But even Gladwell’s theory of mastery has some huge holes in it. Sometimes true mastery has nothing to do with focus or practice… sometimes it’s all about simply being able to see things in a way nobody else can. And I’m sorry, Tesla and Musk fanboys, this is something you simply can not replicate no matter how hard you try.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Blue Skies wrote:

Sex is overrated. Don’t get me wrong…….sex is good and sometimes worth pursuing. it is simply overrated.

Well said.

If it falls in my lap, great!

If not? Simply not worth the jumping through flaming hoops and solving quadratic equations to get.

Fuck this planet.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Keymaster wrote:

Rockmaninoff wrote:

“Either f~~~ me, or f~~~ you.”

That’s the ticket!

But if a modern woman was SMART, she would understand her source of “power” is not even to f~~~. Ask any woman “the way to a man’s heart” and she will tell you it’s through his stomach – or zipper – because they are brainwashed. But it isn’t.

It’s the easiest thing in the world to make a man WANT to come home to her, repeatedly. A woman could single-handedly have her choice of men, and eliminate thousands of women from her field of competition very easily. But I won’t reveal it here. This site is for men. ( We don’t give women “tips” on how to be successful in their personal relationships. )

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Yesterday afternoon, I was pool-side soaking up the sun. On the other side of the pool, there were TWO 30+ women and I overheard one of them talking into her phone (to a guy) about “the best way to compliment a guy”. She was asking “what kind of compliments to guys like to hear? Would he rather hear you’re handsome or hot?”.

I thought it was fascinating because it was just another example of how clueless women are about men. She thought she could appeal to a man by complimenting him on his LOOKS.

So when I headed out and passed them, the loud one said “OMG was I being loud?”

I said “well I overheard you but it’s not a problem. Do you really want a man’s opinion on that? Or should I just keep walking…” and they begged me to stay.

I explained that I manage a men’s interest website with 13,000 members and we talk about this stuff.
She said “Wow! What site is that?”

I said with a smile “I can’t tell you, it’s just for men”.

(The look on her face was priceless. She was smiling and then it immediately changed to miffed.)

I told her complimenting a man on his LOOKS is meaningless to him.
If you want to compliment a man, you compliment him on his WORK and what he DOES.

• You’re so smart / strong / hard-working
• You’re so resourceful.
• You’re good with tools and your knowledge of cars is amazing…. etc.

… but women don’t say that s~~~. That’s the LAST thing a modern female will tell you. She is so busy breaking men down and telling men that we’re all stupid and useless, and that’s why she’s a failure in her personal life.

• Instead of saying “he’s hard working”, she says “he obsessed with work”.
• Instead of saying “he’s smart”, she says “he demeans my intelligence”.
• Instead of saying “he’s protective”, she says “he’s oppressive”.

It blew their minds, and the other one said “That makes perfect sense. Maybe that’s why were still single.”

I said “Oh is that a problem for you? Because I enjoy being single, it’s the only way to live, really. I actually prefer it. Well, have a great weekend!”

… and then I left. Just ass-f~~~ed their hamsters.

This is what I picture in my head when I think of Keymaster’s wisdom:

Also, much other wisdom in this thread.

Fuck this planet.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

This is what I picture in my head when I think of Keymaster’s wisdom:

Also, much other wisdom in this thread as well.

Fuck this planet.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

This is all Doc was trying to say:

Fabrizio: In Sicily, women are more dangerous than shotguns.

Fuck this planet.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

Stargazer wrote:

Bunker Mode (Stealthy, Zen, Focus, Now Build It!) wrote:

think as we go our own way, time to cut focus on the meathole which enslaves men and keeps them from Tesla Greatness.

I still find this notion that Teslas genius stemmed from his celibacy to be ludicrous. If that were true, every 25 year old virgin would be Tesla.

I think, if anything, that you’ve got the causality reversed. Tesla was probably disinterested in sexual intimacy because of his overactive mind, not the other way around.

Please stop peddling this myth that avoiding sex will make you a genius, that’s almost as bad as nerds being proud of having autism. Or if you actually believe it, let’s see some defensible research on the topic… some double blind laboratory studies, statistics correlating IQ to sexual desire, etc.

But hey, the more guys you can convince to go “Tesla Mode”, the more sexually appealing females there are available out there for me so yeah, keep it up!

There was a funny episode on Seinfeld which satirizes the notion that abstinence raises the intelligence. George gave up sex and became a genius, though he couldn’t hold out long and reverted to his usual dopey self. Funny stuff.

[AvidAvariceParticipant 223]

Blue Skies wrote:

let me also state the obvious. Women use sex to manipulate men.

Keymaster wrote:

Women use *NO* sex – to manipulate men.

I can’t give you two enough +s.

This became dead obvious when I examined why I felt guilty for rubbing one out. I’d always subjected my female interests to the jerkoff litmus test in middle school, and of course none of them ever passed. Once day I thought in passing “Why do I feel guilty about rubbing one out? I’m not hurting anyone and damn near everyone does it.”. Eventually I thought “If it doesn’t harm me or anyone else, then something or someone must be benefiting from my not rubbing one out. Who’s benefiting?”. Then I connected the dots and it hit me like a truck.

[Anonymous 3]

AvidAvarice wrote:

$aver wrote:

let me also state the obvious. Women use sex to manipulate men.

Keymaster wrote:

Women use *NO* sex – to manipulate men.

I can’t give you two enough +s.

This became dead obvious when I examined why I felt guilty for rubbing one out. I’d always subjected my female interests to the jerkoff litmus test in middle school, and of course none of them ever passed. Once day I thought in passing “Why do I feel guilty about rubbing one out? I’m not hurting anyone and damn near everyone does it.”. Eventually I thought “If it doesn’t harm me or anyone else, then something or someone must be benefiting from my not rubbing one out. Who’s benefiting?”. Then I connected the dots and it hit me like a truck.

Yeah everyone does it at those ages but everyone also attacks each other for it. Girls barely have any sex drive so I can definitely believe they don’t masturbate though. Plus for women, any pleasure that does come is from having something inside, especially something that squirts. So they need sex toys to even emulate it, while for men it’s really a simple process.

But now here’s the kicker, as a man gets older, those urges fade away and it just doesn’t matter anymore. Shaming a 15 year old boy and accusing him of masturbation works, but not a 35 year old man. Women are so stupid that the only thing they have is that one attack, a man in his 30s just rolls his eyes and goes his own way. If he deigns to respond he might say something like his urges have long faded away and he doesn’t care anymore. And when that happens, women have nothing, and even advertisers have trouble because all they can really sell is sex.

[treznik87Participant 570]

What is just plain stupid is hearing women say sex is not that important, why is everything about sex… blablabla…
Should ask her back why is everything about money and commitment?

I also hated going on my ex gf’s relatives bday parties (and there were plenty of that)but did it for her. And never complain. there are things you do for other if you know they are important to them. You should see how she reacted one time i rejected the invitation because i got invited to her aunts bday in the middle of the week – the very same day just couple of hours before. I didnt have anything important to do but i just refused to do it because i got so fed up. i didnt even search for an excuse. Just told her ‘NO’. She should come to my place that day and i was hoping to get some poon – finally after a month of celibacy even tho i was in relationship. It was all about her and her needs ME ME ME. Forget we didnt f~~~ for a month. She acted like I did something terrible. Bitch please… What if i acted the same way whenever she found something more appealing to do them come to my place and have sex with me?

If she says sex is not that important.. guess what? you are in relationship with ME! If it is important to me it is also important for relationship. The same way everything else I or her find important. Just because its not important for her it doesnt mean it isnt for relationship. So if its important to one person its important for both. Or do not demand commitment/relationship bitch! Something majority of women never understand…

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

‘And yes, in my opinion we – men are pathetic and women are exploiting that as good as they can. just think what an average man do for a piece of pussy, how we act just to get it. But thats nature i think, you cant control it, but you can control how you deal with it.’

Well said treznik87. I was just at the mall today with my daughter. We passed a Victoria’s Secret and I thought to my self – if men didn’t want it so bad – they would be outta business. Blue pillers fund places like that I suppose. Pussy is powerful if you let it be so. If you approach it with a ‘meh’ attitude – you have the control and power.
Speaking of Victoria’s Secret – it would be hilarious if the ‘scent’ in there wasn’t perfumes or other mildly pleasant aromas but DEAD FISH! That would probably put it (the concept of pussy-begging) closer to actual reality…

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Here is an angle….

Who cares what women think about sex or how they use it as a manipulation tool.

No disrespect to your post brother.

I think as we go our own way, time to cut focus on the meathole which enslaves men and keeps them from Tesla Greatness.

Stealthy i like that angle.

[experiencedParticipant]

If a LAYDEE goes all old school and starts in with ‘her’ family being the priority, sooner or later she’s going to have to s~~~ or get off the pot.
Adam….
Eve….
Adam And Eve.
“And” = the Primary Bond.
Once they “cleave” to one another, “That!” is the primary bond.
‘Blah blah’, yeah that’s right you’re the daughter of those two and “the welcome addition” to THAT primary bond. I’m not being adopted as your childhood sibling am I?”
Couple that with the question “What if I told you” that if she doesn’t make you a priority now while she’s trying to sell you on marrying her, that she won’t make you a priority later?

‘The deal with women and sex’ is that they deal sex like a drug.
They work for the casino designed to make you lose.
Men have ten times the testosterone level of women.
Testosterone is the primary sex drive hormone.
Sadly for women, when their growth hormone levels plummet, their testosterone vs. estrogen ratios soar.
Hence they respectively get FAT and then try to make up for it by becoming pushy. GH down/test up = fat+pushy. Fat+pushy = repulsive.
Sensing being repulsive = bitter.
Bitterbitch candy bars are hazardous to men’s health.
“You go girl” “Woohoo!”………………….boohoo.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

Sex is a tool.
It is a tool that a women uses in order to convince a Man to marry her. At this stage Sex
is plentiful.
After he says “I Do” or if not married but in a long term relationship and he hasn’t proposed yet or increased the number of things he does for her, the woman will gradually turn off the Sex faucet.
Again – Sex is a Tool by which Women use to control Men.
Yes women want sex. But they have learned to control that desire, and direct their lust to other men (Alpha Males). Women are NOT turned on by Beta males. So when a woman gives a Beta male sex, it is a “reward” for doing something she wanted. (Fixing the sink or toilet, doing the dishes, cleaning the house, buying her a new car, etc).

As time goes on the demands for greater utility grow. So if a Beta male wants sex he will continuously have to work harder and harder in order to get it.

The turning point comes when the frequency of sex goes down to the point where the threat by the wife to not have sex if the man doesn’t do “XYZ” becomes ludicrous and the man just laughs and walks away. When it is starting to get to this point the woman is losing control because she no longer can offer anything of value. Sex is the primary thing that a woman can offer.

After that a woman has no real leverage other than the threat of divorce and the financial consequences.

Beta males chase women. Women chase Alpha males.
To an Alpha male sex is plentiful, because women throw themselves at him. Women know this so they offer sex at a lower “price” (oftentimes free). Women will happily share an Alpha male with other women, but not a Beta male. A Beta male’s primary purpose is to provide things for a woman.

A Beta male can fool a woman into thinking he is an Alpha male but only temporarily, after a while (maybe an hour, maybe several days, maybe several months) he will slip up in his act and it is game over.

The woman gets p~~~ed at being hoodwinked and moves on.

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