What's positive MGTOW after women, feminism, etc?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

There is a lot of hurt I have seen on this forum and other things related to MGTOW.  Guys have been hurt by women, the system, social expectations, and a bunch of other not fun things.  Men’s Right Advocates want to fight the system for more rights.  You have the True Forced Loneliness crying out for concern from the world.  And then you have MGTOW.  I do see the need to vent, and discuss issues, the stupidity and need to rage about things.  I see in this venting and rage things can be seen as “hating women” and fodder and so on.  I do have a bit of concern about it, but I do understand people need to a time to rage and get balance.  Anyhow, I do have a question.

But, what comes after this?  Say you manage to go your own way and am successful.  What would it look like?  In short, what is positive MGTOW like?  You come to peace with things and move on and don’t care about the acceptance of a woman, and can dictate life on your terms and no longer get played by a woman.  What does the end you seek look like?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[EnlightenedMGTOWParticipant 291]

Just like the stages of grief, you come to accept, fully recognize, and lose all hate you once harbored for the gynocracy and for women.

You’ve honed your skills to navigate said society to maximize your potential and make the things most important in your life become a reality.

The 4 Immeasurables(Brahma Viharas) in Buddhism accurately sum up my MGTOW endgame.

May all sentient beings have happiness and its causes,
May all sentient beings be free of suffering and its causes,
May all sentient beings never be separated from bliss without suffering,
May all sentient beings be in equanimity, free of bias, attachment and anger.

Love, Compassion, Sympathetic Joy, and most importantly, Equanimity.

What is better than living in a mental state of perpetual clarity and tranquility where you are never over-powered by delusions, mental dullness, or agitation?

 

 

Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.

[BDParticipant 1146]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

What does the end you seek look like?

All-right, this is just my take,

Retiring at an earlier age than my married mangina friends because I have not been forced onto the endless hamster wheel.

Spiritual enlightenment, since going Mgtow 8 months ago my self esteem has never been higher, I’ve had time to focus on my physical and mental well being, and there has been nobody telling me that I am doing anything wrong, and nobody telling me that I need to change.

The people that I spend time with are with me because they are actually my friends, they are not with me because they are receiving some monetary benefit. This is real friendship and I have more respect for myself by living this way.

I do not ever tolerate disrespect, I simply remove these people and there is no drama, no games, no compromise, and no stress.

I have the freedom to do anything I want, any career choice or change, move anywhere, travel anywhere, and make as much as I need to live the lifestyle that satisfies me and only me. I never have to enslave myself and keep up with the “Jones”.

 

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

 What does the end you seek look like?

Something like this.

[FIDKParticipant 32]

Say you manage to go your own way and am successful.  What would it look like?

You really answered your own question there. Success is what you define it; You will have a higher chance of achieving it if you spare yourself enslavement to the state in the form of marriage. The time savings you get when you do not have a woman to deal with is amazing. If your goal is pussy, you can easily get that without marriage. If your goal is to get rich, then a woman, unless she brings the wealth into the marriage, will never help you get there.

Didn’t women used to come with a dowry? Wouldn’t it be funny if the true reason was they could not get a man to take a woman without a huge bribe. Yes, NAWALT. I know, but maybe it is just the same as it ever was.

 

 

 

[Anonymous 3]

You really answered your own question there. Success is what you define it; You will have a higher chance of achieving it if you spare yourself enslavement to the state in the form of marriage. The time savings you get when you do not have a woman to deal with is amazing. If your goal is pussy, you can easily get that without marriage. If your goal is to get rich, then a woman, unless she brings the wealth into the marriage, will never help you get there. Didn’t women used to come with a dowry? Wouldn’t it be funny if the true reason was they could not get a man to take a woman without a huge bribe. Yes, NAWALT. I know, but maybe it is just the same as it ever was.

Indeed, women were historically just burdens that men didn’t want. Fathers would have to pay to get rid of them. That money would also help set up the new couple too, as it’s always been difficult to start life for young men.

I don’t like the dowry system, but seeing how badly Western women have screwed everything up, it’s probably going to happen again.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

One useful purpose you can think coming out of this thread, is to give guys who haven’t gone Red Pill yet, are still Beta (and have not gone Alpha or Omega, with Omega being an end in and of itself), something positive to move towards to obtain, rather than the pain.  I am feeling that if it is just the avoidance of negative, once a guy thinks he may of seen a unicorn, he will jump ship and go back into the blue.  So, giving positive reasons to advance would help here.  I believe also really bring that to the forefront, also helps with public perception that MGTOW isn’t just a “He man woman hater’s club”, and is really about liberation.  Well at least a MGTOW I want to have would be that.  So, life dealt me some sucky lemons.  I deal with it.  Or maybe didn’t deal me any lemons but kept telling me that the lemons I am missing are really good, just hang on.  Some even say, stop thinking about the lemons, you will get them in due time.  I am now in my late 40s and these lemons they keep saying are so awesome (you get to have little baby lemons with them, and they will all ADORE you, or so they say) will eventually show up.  Well, they haven’t.  I have known a lemon overseas for a decade who wants to have baby lemons actually and do the family bit.  I don’t see that coming true any time soon.

I haven’t seen a unicorn either, but I can press on.  I think getting guys to see they can move on would help, and being able to show such, will help get more.  The thing about avoidance is people go in very large number of ways away from something.  Going towards something helps for support and getting more motivated.

Well that is my take on it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

There is a lot of hurt I have seen on this forum and other things related to MGTOW. Guys have been hurt by women, the system, social expectations, and a bunch of other not fun things. Men’s Right Advocates want to fight the system for more rights. You have the True Forced Loneliness crying out for concern from the world. And then you have MGTOW. I do see the need to vent, and discuss issues, the stupidity and need to rage about things. I see in this venting and rage things can be seen as “hating women” and fodder and so on. I do have a bit of concern about it, but I do understand people need to a time to rage and get balance. Anyhow, I do have a question. But, what comes after this? Say you manage to go your own way and am successful. What would it look like? In short, what is positive MGTOW like? You come to peace with things and move on and don’t care about the acceptance of a woman, and can dictate life on your terms and no longer get played by a woman. What does the end you seek look like?

 

You said you had concern about people raging and how it can be seen as hating women?  Can you please elaborate a little on where you’re coming from.

I will say this, and please dont take any offense to this.  Sometimes I can fly off the handle so I apologize ahead of time.

Some men come on here after: being demoralized by society, told to man up, told something is wrong with them, telling them they are wounded, that NAWALT, that they are no good, told they dont deserve a good women, the divorce was their fault, how they are no good men and we are only sperm donors and some lose everything they have worked for and lose access to seeing their own flesh and blood while having to pay some c~~~ alimony so she can sit on her ass and f~~~ the pool boy and deny access to the mans children, all the while this poor guy has to go to work to pay her because the twisted courts will throw him in jail because of the misandric institutional bulls~~~ laws and the unfair way men are villainized and treated like the bad person just because we have a penis.

Personally I give no f~~~s if it comes off as women hating. (THEY SHOULD NOT BE HERE NOR READING THESE THREADS) These men are hero’s to me fighting a different kind of war.  Lesser beings would just commit suicide, but these guys get the f~~~ up, go to work, keep trucking on and fighting the good fight to attempt to become successful again, become good role models for their kids if the wife doesnt villify the ex husband etc.  These guys can come on here and say the worst nastiest things ever imagined about women and I will +1 them every time because 99.99999% of the time they are not lying and it is true.

Who cares if it comes off as women hating, this is our place to speak our mind and be ourselves, not to be beat down by the politically correct gynocentric bulls~~~ police because ewwww it might come off as women hating.  I cant imagine what some of these guys have to navigate to succeed after being taken to the cleaners, abused, jailed over false allegations of rape, not being allowed to see their children, the unfair laws and so on.   What about the Duke Lacrosse player who committed suicide after those false allegations?  F~~~ Women they are worthless!  Even my mother is an entitled bitch at times, but I deal with it because she is my mother.  And I tell her that to her face, Just yesterday after coming over to fix her lawn mower and let her borrow money I said, “you’re lucky you’re my mother, if you were another women I would have told you to f~~~ off already with your ridiculous demands and expectations i’m not your servant i am your son you need to learn the difference.”

Im not picking on you and please dont feel that way.  These men have just been through the ringer and need support, humor and advice if they ask, at a minimum a good listener and a place to be themselves and just be a man and let loose.

The only time I see women really being truly  made to look bad with women hating and starting with the degradation of women is when (drum roll please) women like warfare etc come in here and say women should be kept in captivity and not allowed freedom or whatever BS drivel comes out of that c~~~s mouth.  They try to start women hating but we kick them before it even happens because we are not women haters, we just call them out on their behavior, thats not a hater, thats an observer who is objective about a situation occurring in front of them and they are sensing and perceiving it.

 

Rant Over, please do not take offense or an attack personally.

 

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

This is the beauty of mgtow. Regardless of finances, status, religion and work ….. each mgtow is an individual.

He answers only to himself. He sets his goals, standards and code.

His end game is his alone and will probably differ from other mgtow.

Who gives a crap what others will think ….. we are after all …. going our own way ☺

He is King, master, judge and jury in this own Kingdom.

 

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

My end-game goals. Retirement at 35-40. A computer system like that on gorgeous wood furniture in a house I own outright with solar panels/water tank so no real bills. 3 Bedroom place, I dont need/want a huge place, just my room, one for my gym equipment and one for my son/guests when they’re there.
Thats it. A simple, humble life filled with activities with my friends and family. No in-laws, no bs gf drama. Just simplicity.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[narwhalParticipant]

While I was married, I had a s~~~ty truck, a crappy house, loads of credit card debt, an unhappy wife, and no idea how I was going to pay for my kids cars, college, etc…much less how I was going to get back to breaking even.   Now, I have a brand new loaded jeep cherokee, going to buy a nice house this summer, no one nagging me when I get home, money set aside for cars and college, and no debt to speak of.

What does the end look like?  I’m actually enjoying the journey!

Ok. Then do it.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

ComingInHot wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

There is a lot of hurt I have seen on this forum and other things related to MGTOW. Guys have been hurt by women, the system, social expectations, and a bunch of other not fun things. Men’s Right Advocates want to fight the system for more rights. You have the True Forced Loneliness crying out for concern from the world. And then you have MGTOW. I do see the need to vent, and discuss issues, the stupidity and need to rage about things. I see in this venting and rage things can be seen as “hating women” and fodder and so on. I do have a bit of concern about it, but I do understand people need to a time to rage and get balance. Anyhow, I do have a question. But, what comes after this? Say you manage to go your own way and am successful. What would it look like? In short, what is positive MGTOW like? You come to peace with things and move on and don’t care about the acceptance of a woman, and can dictate life on your terms and no longer get played by a woman. What does the end you seek look like?

You said you had concern about people raging and how it can be seen as hating women? Can you please elaborate a little on where you’re coming from. I will say this, and please don’t take any offense to this. Sometimes I can fly off the handle so I apologize ahead of time.  

No worry here. What I can see it can be seen if it is spun as hating women.  This video I ran into may go into.  I rather go my own way and not get spun into hating:

I am not going to be driven to hate.  I will just ignore the situation.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[SMADParticipant 651]

Being the Master of Your Own Destiny – that’s a hugely positive aspect of MGTOW.  Being able to make the most of each day on your terms is a fantastic opportunity, especially if you don’t have to seek “permission” from a significant other.  There will always be extremes in any movement / belief system, but for many I don’t feel there is “woman hating” going on –  I think it’s more a hatred of the system and of the Logic vs Emotion battle that some people have.

I also think that for the MGTOW’s that still date / short term relationships / have sex, MGTOW philosophy is a kind of “toolset” that helps a man become more attuned to “red flags” that arise in interactions with women.  I still enjoy dating, etc with women but as soon as warning signs appear, then some control of the situation can be kept and / or gained and then decisions to continue / resolve / break off the relationship can be made.  With the MGTOW philosophy in this sense, it also extends beyond romantic relationships and into the rest of the world – having a strong sense of your own identity and belief system will help with your career and friendships with other men.

MGTOW philosophy, in my opinion, influences MANY aspects of your life, with women just being a part of it.  To me, that’s a VERY positive thing.

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

 

[HimeoParticipant 471]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

What does the end you seek look like?

Here’s my 2 cents.

1) Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans. – John Lennon

Every day I want to increase my wealth, health, and happiness on this planet until my time runs out. That’s the only outcome I value. Life will happen on my way to that goal.

2) I’m never going to get married. I’m never going to own a condo in Tokyo. I’m never going to visit Alpha Centauri. I’m never going to f~~~ Marilyn Monroe.

Life is full of things I’ll never have or do. Who gives a s~~~? There are things in my life I will have and do, and some things I can have and can do. That’s the only thing worth focusing on.

I’ve spent years mourning what I’ve “lost”. I’ve spent years realizing most of the things I was raised to believe in: religion, patriotism, nutrition, and love were all false. I have “lost” things that I believed would be in my future.

Eventually you move on. That’s where I am now. No longer angry. No longer wishing for things I can’t have. My life is full of possibility and every day is better than the one before.

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