But, what comes after this?  Say you manage to go your own way and am successful.  What would it look like?  In short, what is positive MGTOW like?  You come to peace with things and move on and don’t care about the acceptance of a woman, and can dictate life on your terms and no longer get played by a woman.  What does the end you seek look like?

You’ve honed your skills to navigate said society to maximize your potential and make the things most important in your life become a reality.

The 4 Immeasurables(Brahma Viharas) in Buddhism accurately sum up my MGTOW endgame.

May all sentient beings have happiness and its causes,
May all sentient beings be free of suffering and its causes,
May all sentient beings never be separated from bliss without suffering,
May all sentient beings be in equanimity, free of bias, attachment and anger.

Love, Compassion, Sympathetic Joy, and most importantly, Equanimity.

What is better than living in a mental state of perpetual clarity and tranquility where you are never over-powered by delusions, mental dullness, or agitation?

What does the end you seek look like?

All-right, this is just my take,

Retiring at an earlier age than my married mangina friends because I have not been forced onto the endless hamster wheel.

Spiritual enlightenment, since going Mgtow 8 months ago my self esteem has never been higher, I’ve had time to focus on my physical and mental well being, and there has been nobody telling me that I am doing anything wrong, and nobody telling me that I need to change.

The people that I spend time with are with me because they are actually my friends, they are not with me because they are receiving some monetary benefit. This is real friendship and I have more respect for myself by living this way.

I do not ever tolerate disrespect, I simply remove these people and there is no drama, no games, no compromise, and no stress.

I have the freedom to do anything I want, any career choice or change, move anywhere, travel anywhere, and make as much as I need to live the lifestyle that satisfies me and only me. I never have to enslave myself and keep up with the “Jones”.

 What does the end you seek look like?

Something like this.

Say you manage to go your own way and am successful.  What would it look like?

You really answered your own question there. Success is what you define it; You will have a higher chance of achieving it if you spare yourself enslavement to the state in the form of marriage. The time savings you get when you do not have a woman to deal with is amazing. If your goal is pussy, you can easily get that without marriage. If your goal is to get rich, then a woman, unless she brings the wealth into the marriage, will never help you get there.

Didn’t women used to come with a dowry? Wouldn’t it be funny if the true reason was they could not get a man to take a woman without a huge bribe. Yes, NAWALT. I know, but maybe it is just the same as it ever was.

You really answered your own question there. Success is what you define it; You will have a higher chance of achieving it if you spare yourself enslavement to the state in the form of marriage. The time savings you get when you do not have a woman to deal with is amazing. If your goal is pussy, you can easily get that without marriage. If your goal is to get rich, then a woman, unless she brings the wealth into the marriage, will never help you get there. Didn’t women used to come with a dowry? Wouldn’t it be funny if the true reason was they could not get a man to take a woman without a huge bribe. Yes, NAWALT. I know, but maybe it is just the same as it ever was.

Indeed, women were historically just burdens that men didn’t want. Fathers would have to pay to get rid of them. That money would also help set up the new couple too, as it’s always been difficult to start life for young men.

I don’t like the dowry system, but seeing how badly Western women have screwed everything up, it’s probably going to happen again.

I haven’t seen a unicorn either, but I can press on.  I think getting guys to see they can move on would help, and being able to show such, will help get more.  The thing about avoidance is people go in very large number of ways away from something.  Going towards something helps for support and getting more motivated.

Well that is my take on it.

There is a lot of hurt I have seen on this forum and other things related to MGTOW. Guys have been hurt by women, the system, social expectations, and a bunch of other not fun things. Men’s Right Advocates want to fight the system for more rights. You have the True Forced Loneliness crying out for concern from the world. And then you have MGTOW. I do see the need to vent, and discuss issues, the stupidity and need to rage about things. I see in this venting and rage things can be seen as “hating women” and fodder and so on. I do have a bit of concern about it, but I do understand people need to a time to rage and get balance. Anyhow, I do have a question. But, what comes after this? Say you manage to go your own way and am successful. What would it look like? In short, what is positive MGTOW like? You come to peace with things and move on and don’t care about the acceptance of a woman, and can dictate life on your terms and no longer get played by a woman. What does the end you seek look like?

You said you had concern about people raging and how it can be seen as hating women?  Can you please elaborate a little on where you’re coming from.

I will say this, and please dont take any offense to this.  Sometimes I can fly off the handle so I apologize ahead of time.

Some men come on here after: being demoralized by society, told to man up, told something is wrong with them, telling them they are wounded, that NAWALT, that they are no good, told they dont deserve a good women, the divorce was their fault, how they are no good men and we are only sperm donors and some lose everything they have worked for and lose access to seeing their own flesh and blood while having to pay some c~~~ alimony so she can sit on her ass and f~~~ the pool boy and deny access to the mans children, all the while this poor guy has to go to work to pay her because the twisted courts will throw him in jail because of the misandric institutional bulls~~~ laws and the unfair way men are villainized and treated like the bad person just because we have a penis.

Personally I give no f~~~s if it comes off as women hating. (THEY SHOULD NOT BE HERE NOR READING THESE THREADS) These men are hero’s to me fighting a different kind of war.  Lesser beings would just commit suicide, but these guys get the f~~~ up, go to work, keep trucking on and fighting the good fight to attempt to become successful again, become good role models for their kids if the wife doesnt villify the ex husband etc.  These guys can come on here and say the worst nastiest things ever imagined about women and I will +1 them every time because 99.99999% of the time they are not lying and it is true.

Who cares if it comes off as women hating, this is our place to speak our mind and be ourselves, not to be beat down by the politically correct gynocentric bulls~~~ police because ewwww it might come off as women hating.  I cant imagine what some of these guys have to navigate to succeed after being taken to the cleaners, abused, jailed over false allegations of rape, not being allowed to see their children, the unfair laws and so on.   What about the Duke Lacrosse player who committed suicide after those false allegations?  F~~~ Women they are worthless!  Even my mother is an entitled bitch at times, but I deal with it because she is my mother.  And I tell her that to her face, Just yesterday after coming over to fix her lawn mower and let her borrow money I said, “you’re lucky you’re my mother, if you were another women I would have told you to f~~~ off already with your ridiculous demands and expectations i’m not your servant i am your son you need to learn the difference.”

Im not picking on you and please dont feel that way.  These men have just been through the ringer and need support, humor and advice if they ask, at a minimum a good listener and a place to be themselves and just be a man and let loose.

The only time I see women really being truly  made to look bad with women hating and starting with the degradation of women is when (drum roll please) women like warfare etc come in here and say women should be kept in captivity and not allowed freedom or whatever BS drivel comes out of that c~~~s mouth.  They try to start women hating but we kick them before it even happens because we are not women haters, we just call them out on their behavior, thats not a hater, thats an observer who is objective about a situation occurring in front of them and they are sensing and perceiving it.

Rant Over, please do not take offense or an attack personally.

He answers only to himself. He sets his goals, standards and code.

His end game is his alone and will probably differ from other mgtow.

Who gives a crap what others will think ….. we are after all …. going our own way ☺

He is King, master, judge and jury in this own Kingdom.