What we know about men who buy sex.

[AFTParticipant 2724]

“While the media narrative tends to depict lonely or even disabled men who are just looking for some companionship or someone to talk to, a major international study found that over half were married or in a de-facto relationship.”

Insinuation that only “lonely men” are somehow justified in “using” prostitutes, and assumes married / partnered men, aren’t lonely and have no reason to use these prostitutes.

I see through that bulls~~~ for what it is:

1/ If these married / partnered men were so f~~~ing content with their relationships, because they were taken such good care of, then why would they be looking for these services?

2/ Men don’t have to be lonely, to be horny, and men don’t have to be lonely to reject the majority of women he comes in contact with. Personally I’ve had to lower my standards considerably to have a casual fling, and the majority of the time, the CRAZY just isn’t worth it, I’d gladly pay just to avoid the CRAZY.

3/ Women are always in the right.
– It’s ok if a woman has an affair – obviously the man hasn’t taken care of her well enough.
– Women have the right to sell their bodies, it’s their RIGHT,
– In fact if a woman decides to sell her body, it’s the men’s fault for paying for her lucrative choice.

This is just shaming tactics, if a woman is stupid enough to be fooled into prostitution, then I do have sympathy for her. But I am unconvinced that the MAJORITY of all prostitutes are “VICTIMS”.
I’ve said it before and I’m yet to be corrected “prostitutes are the most honest women you can come across” in that they set a fair price and stick to the deal negotiated and agreed upon. If only the rest of their sisters could learn that level of integrity we wouldn’t be constantly suspicious of their intentions.

I tried to find a thread from a while back….
basically had college girls looking for sugar daddies…

http://www.seekingarrangement.com

Are they all ….. V I C T I M S ….. ???????

Give me a break.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Sam FisherParticipant 206]

Collective Shout.

Are these the same lying, manipulative crybabies that got GTA V banned from Target?

I refuse to click on this link.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

Good post AFT, good post! Massive thumbs up…

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I have never hired a prostitute in my life, but I have paid for sex every damn time I’ve ever had it. Dinner, drinks, entertainment tickets etc etc etc. It’s never been free.

If I give her money to have sex with me, it’s prostitution. If she uses that money to pay for her dinner, it’s still prostitution. In fact, if she uses that money to pay for jewelry, or a car, or drinks, or a vacation…it’s still prostitution no matter what she does with that money.

But if she sits across the table from me at a restaurant and stuffs her face, and I pay the waiter for it, and she has sex with me later that night, then it’s a date. And if we do that week after week, then it’s a relationship? And in the relationship, I can continue to get sex and she can continue extracting things from me for free that I pay for but that would otherwise cost her money…but this is not prostitution.

Ok, I think I understand now: pay her directly and it’s prostitution. I’m a criminal for buying sex, but she’s not a criminal for selling it.

But if I pay the waiter, or the florist, or the ticket agent, or the travel agent, then it’s a relationship. So now, I’m having the same sex I would have had in the first scenario, but I’m no longer a criminal, it costs a lot more and I have to act as butler, chef, chauffeur and hand out her money for her to all her vendors (the way a butler or a secretary would).

I’m not saying that I support prostitution, or that I don’t believe there are some really bad people involved in it. I just think it’s hypocritical for women to say prostitution is bad, but only for the men who pay for it, not for the women who get paid for it… while at the same time demanding that the men they have ‘consensual’ sex with while pretending to ‘love’ …pick up the tab for their dinner, drinks, tickets, mortgages …etc.

I don’t have kids, but I understand no one with a daughter wants their daughter to grow up to be a prostitute either by choice or coercion. I have no argument with that. But isn’t it equally true that no one with a daughter really wants to see her grow up and choose to have sex with some guy who is chronically unemployed, has zero money to spend on her and can never offer her anything of value other than just telling her he ‘loves her too’…? The reality is that everyone knows that sex has value. The question is wether we are going to acknowledge that value openly, and how we are going to manage it.

It’s either for sale, or it isn’t.

I have worked hard enough and been fortunate enough to have been able to reliably earn money. I’m one of those guys everyone wants their daughter to marry. The way I look has not changed much for better or worse since I started earning money. But the expectations of the women willing to have sex with me have changed to become more expensive with their perception of my increased ability to pay for those more expensive expectations. As a result, not only does all sex cost, but it rises in direct proportion to my perceived ability to pay for it. This is a big part of the reason I went mgtow. I keep my money and they keep their vagina… we’ll see who goes hungry first.

If a millionaire goes to a steak house, he can get a filet for 20 to 30 bucks. A shoe-shine boy who can barely afford it, orders the same steak and pays the same price. Restaurant must be content to make the same money on both customers regardless of the ability of each to pay. Restaurant could make more if they could find a way to float the price and charge more to the millionaire who can afford to pay more, but it can’t. It must be content knowing that the millionaire who could have paid more paid the same market price and didn’t have to.

I am cynical enough to question wether the opposition to prostitution from feminists is really driven by a concern for those unwilling prostitutes, or a desire to make sure that they never have to have the set price for all buyers determined by a free market that is governed only by supply and demand….thus lowering its average value for all women, and eliminating the ability to float the price up for any man who can afford to pay more.

Right now, a woman can get a 30 dollar steak for dinner, have sex with her date and change her mind in the morning…and it’s rape and he’s a criminal. But if they can get this law passed here, she can just ask for the 30$ in cash (possibly more if he has the ability to pay more), have sex with him and in the morning report him for buying sex and he’s a criminal… and she’s the star witness in his criminal prosecution… with total immunity for her role. Anyone see a potential for abuse of that system?

Personally, I’d like to just declare that it isn’t for sale EVER. In an ideal world, all men agree that neither cash or financial assets ever change hands to women on the basis of any personal relationship. No more free dinners, drinks, jewelry, flowers… and no more marriage contracts or divorce settlements of any kind, for anyone. How long do think the average woman could feed/house herself if she had to compete directly with men for what available food/shelter there was, and had no way to trade sex for food/shelter, or anything else of value?

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

sidecar wrote:

These days the only differences between a whore and a wife are a few letters and the whore’s up front honesty about her price. 

I wouldn’t say it’s the ONLY difference…

At least you actually get sex with the whore.

[LosPukeParticipant 514]

BrainPilot, you hit that ball right out of the park!  I ALWAYS enjoy coming across your well thought out and sensible posts.  I continuously find myself nodding my head in agreement on most everything you write.  Keep up the good work!

[Anonymous 9]

Great post by BrainPilot.

 

[experiencedParticipant]

The only difference between a whore and a woman is a whore takes your money and leaves you, whereas a woman takes your money and leaves you.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I think this link was really confusing two topics. Sure you have sex slaves that are coerced into it, I completely agree with that. You have women from foreign countries basically taken against their will and forced into prostitution…I think that is completely wrong. Or even worse you have kids forced into prostitution. Their only alternatives generally suck, like getting beaten, starved, or killed.

But…then you have prostitutes who simply do it because it allows them to make a lot more money than they’d otherwise make with their education or skill set. Flip burgers for 10 bucks an hour, or 50 bucks for a 15 minute blowjob…or possible thousands of dollars a night for a high end call girl. I don’t think these women are exploited at all, and if anything legalizing prostitution would make their lives even better since they’d have some legal protection and not have to rely on pimps that in some cases are going to be bigger dickheads than the guy trying to shove them out of his car without paying for the bj he just got.

Plus its total f~~~ing bulls~~~ to go after the johns and not the prostitutes. Its about the same as going after drug users while ignoring all the dealers. They should be charging all involved, or nobody.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

BrainPilot wrote:

I am cynical enough to question wether the opposition to prostitution from feminists is really driven by a concern for those unwilling prostitutes, or a desire to make sure that they never have to have the set price for all buyers determined by a free market that is governed only by supply and demand….thus lowering its average value for all women, and eliminating the ability to float the price up for any man who can afford to pay more.

This. Its like the link that was kicking around these forums a few weeks ago where the price of a prostitute in Greece was about the same as a sandwich. Women can’t stand the fact that their sex is worth so little so they want to make sure the government tries to keep the cost artificially inflated.

If it was commonly accepted that the worth of sex from a woman was equal to the sex from a man it was exchanged for, women would have to actually resort to being decent people to attract a partner, and we all know they definitely don’t want that.

[RennieParticipant]

I can totally see why a guy might decide to pay for sex.

Guys need periodic release for their own well being and for some the hands alone are not enough. Getting it by the traditional means is no, due to all the hoops of fire you have to jump through.

Let’s not be shaming other men for seeing prostitutes.It doesn’t make them bad, evil, oppressive or any of that nonsense. Women want you to think that so you’ll get in the corral like a good slave.

Sex trafficking is a different matter though.

[Anonymous 3]

Whenever I see an attractive woman surrounded by men, all the men seem to bend over backwards to do her bidding. Actually she doesn’t even have to be attractive, she just needs to show up and not berate everyone. She can even mock a few of them and the rest will still side with her.

The idea of groups of men finding attractive young women and forcing them into prostitution does not fit with any of my world experience. The far more likely scenario is these men keeping said attractive woman for themselves, and then keeping her away from other men.

It’s way more likely women are exploiting men with prostitution.

[OldBillParticipant]

All men pay for sex and all women sell sex. Only a few minor details separate a street walker from an escort from a one night stand from a girlfriend from a wife. All those women are selling sex, only the terms and conditions of each sale vary.

All women realize this, yet hardly any will admit it.

Too few men realize this, yet more are learning everyday.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[AristotleParticipant 48]

The Nordic model is:

– Buying sex is a crime.
– Selling sex is not a crime.

It has not worked, prostitutes are more blatant and there are more of them in public and most transactions now happen online.

Every interaction between a man and a woman that ends in sex is prostitution, it’s just a question of how much she is charging. Now, I’m not updated on pricing but lifetime commitment and 50% of assets in a divorce is one expensive whore.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

It isn’t the study, it cherry picked parts designed make men look bad.

Where are the hookers that charge 1k fore a sleepover? What do they say? I’ll bet their answers are a lot different.

Notice the attempt to shame men.

Human trafficking is crime against nature and I’d never pay for sex.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

You’ll forgive me but it’s late here and I didn’t do you gents the courtesy of reading previous answers, just looked at the article in the OP.

I’ve always had a fascination with prostitution because as a raving Papist it’s completely foreign to me and I don’t understand it beyond the straight-forward supply-&-demand of the need to have sex. So I used to spend a lot of time reading blogs by prostitutes (Belle de Jour etc) out of a curiosity as to what makes them tick. The fact that feminists fought an internal war over the issue was a bonus.

Some of them take it very seriously, and one who gave up that life to become an academic did a meta-analysis of the endless ‘studies’ (mostly by breathless journos) said that 80% of prostitutes in the west (ie not in places where women are forced into prostitution, eg Asia, but where they have choices) choose to get into that line of work, work in brothels etc and do that because it makes for a very good living. Only about 20% were your typical street-walker who is supporting a drug habit, or whatever.

And I remember thinking, if our view of most prostitutes is wrong – mine was very much of the street-walker sort of image – then doesn’t it follow our view of the men who use them is wrong? The various call-girl bloggers generally spoke very positively of their regular customers.

But hey, who needs facts when you can demonise men?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

@shiny,

Great post.

Don’t forget sex positive, and my body my choice.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Grim-Participant 454]

I’m all for prostitution. If a woman wants to be an escort, let her. It’s her own choice. Hell, all women are prostitutes in some way or another. Paying for escorts is just a more direct way of getting sex.

There’s no bulls~~~ involved when you pay to have sex with an escort/prostitute.

If I do ever have sex, I’m definitely going this route. But, I’m definitely going to use legal escort services or brothels. Like the brothels in Nevada.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

I was never given pussy. It always cost me something movie,dinner etc.Free pussy cost the most a wedding ring ,house , car ,alimony,etc

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