What made Rooshv change his mind?

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Here is Roosh v against women in the movement yet lately he’s supporting the men’s movement who are hiding behind women.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[herodeath7Participant 35]

The fact that the thumbnail for “the schism” video shows a red and a blue pill – as if the red pill schism contains blue pill members – makes me not even want to believe anything the video says. That, or maybe I just don’t know what schism means, which is also a possibility…I’ll post again after I watch them.

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

I stopped taking Roosh seriously after the development of NeoMasculinity and he claimed he created the red pill. It’s a joke to take PUAs and TradCons and try to merge the two groups. They are complete polar opposites. One wants a return to traditional values and the other wants to f~~~ bitches without any sort of commitment. Although he is correct in saying he did contribute greatly to r/redpill.

But his beef really is not with MGTOW because its not his target audience. Its the red pill reddit because they share a lot of the same values. A lot believe that if they are man enough they can successfully guide a marriage with a western woman. Which I strongly disagree with. A lot of popular redpill redditers are writing books don’t know if that  has anything to do with it. To say the leaders within r/redpill are not as a collective trying to use the r/redpill to gain power is bullocks. But it should be interesting and entertaining to see the little civil war they are having.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

He sound like a scam/con artist, always changing the themes and tactics or narrative to fit his own.

Wouldn’t trust anything he says.

[Anonymous 1]

It is funny how he changed his mind pretty quickly, from the first video to the next one. In the first he said, and to that I agree, women have no loyalty. And they don’t. They do what is better for them and them alone. If other have to thrown to the fire on the process, so be it.

And then, on the second one, he tries to shame Mgtow for doing EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID ON THE FIRST ONE…

Oh well, at least he found his NAWALT and is happily married… right? Oh, wait…

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

So, he is upset that MGTOW is using “Red Pill”, and that fact that there are men who see things differently and aren’t up into the PUA way?  I guess he is upset he doesn’t have an audience to buy his stuff.

Well, he is free to do his neomasculinity thing he likes.  Once the Tradcons and the PUAs have a feud, then he will need to come up with something else, complete with the legal powers that be hunting down the women he gets pregnant.

Rooshv wants to be an alpha leader, and have a bunch of followers.  That doesn’t sound like it to me.  Sorry guy, no one asked you to steer any ship, but feel free to go on your own and build your own little utopia so you can feel good of how significant you are.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

He’s scamming people that for sure. The thing is most of these men will end up failing real bad and they will be p~~~ed. Fortunately he doesn’t live in North America so he can hide anywhere he wants. Roosh V and AFVM will probably go down in flame not because I want to but because they are promoting traditionalism. Time will only tell.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[InfinityraysParticipant 12]

Indeed this guy is a walking contradiction… his interest is clearly about creating reactions and heated conflict.  And of course furthering his name i.e. trying to make a name for himself.   Can’t respect him until he gets his act together.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Infinityrays wrote:

Indeed this guy is a walking contradiction… his interest is clearly about creating reactions and heated conflict. And of course furthering his name i.e. trying to make a name for himself. Can’t respect him until he gets his act together.

He is probably trying to do what they call a “pivot”, which is to reposition one’s identity for a new market.  He is trying to go after the tradcon market now with his wares, so he drops the red pill, raps himself in tradition and the flag, and gets a new audience.  Well, I guess he wants a secular tradcon market.  A religious tradcon doesn’t have use for PUA material.  Religious tradcon fathers of daughters will come at PUA with baseball bats, to get them away.  The religious tradcon doesn’t need his stuff.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

On btw he’s looking to hire religious writer.

“2. Masculine theologian.
We’re also looking for a man who can put past religious ideals, writings, and traditions into modern context to help men better understand the modern world and attain virtue within it. This position isn’t to preach the gospel or word of god, but to extract the best religious ideas of the past that can still serve men today. The writer will have free reign to pick his weekly topics to discuss.

Both writers are asked to submit an article each week that is at least 700 words. If you are interested, contact ROK’s editor, Winston Smith, with details of your background and any writing samples. If he believes you are a good match, you’ll be asked to submit two test articles to observe how the readership responds to your work. If those work out, we’ll bring you aboard to the team. You will compensated if hired (Winston will give you details).”

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Crazy Canuck wrote:

On btw he’s looking to hire religious writer. “2. Masculine theologian. We’re also looking for a man who can put past religious ideals, writings, and traditions into modern context to help men better understand the modern world and attain virtue within it. This position isn’t to preach the gospel or word of god, but to extract the best religious ideas of the past that can still serve men today. The writer will have free reign to pick his weekly topics to discuss. Both writers are asked to submit an article each week that is at least 700 words. If you are interested, contact ROK’s editor, Winston Smith, with details of your background and any writing samples. If he believes you are a good match, you’ll be asked to submit two test articles to observe how the readership responds to your work. If those work out, we’ll bring you aboard to the team. You will compensated if hired (Winston will give you details).”

He wants religions that will be compatible with the stuff he is selling?  I go Christian theology and I end up telling me either they need to be celibate and focus on higher purposes and maximize freedom to the higher purposes (my paraphrasing what is meant by following Christ), or to go find a NAWALT, and then build a life with her.  She would need to submit to the man’s leadership, and the man has to have his stuff together, the way a MGTOW should be.  The man who goes that route, needs to be faithful, and the leadership is service, not a chance to flex one’s ego.  But, I guess he is serious about wanting to try to pivot into the tradcon market.  Maybe he finds a niche, and he drops the red pill.  Maybe he should find Jesus and he can be his own theologian.

Flat out, I would have to say here, the idea of doing this isn’t to try to extract ideas that “best serve modern men”.  One is supposed to go down the higher path, and be transformed.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

Whatever he’s up to I like the guy and wish him well.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Hmm, I only heard about him a few weeks ago, when the whole neomasculinty debate really took off ever so heatedly, so I can’t really judge about whether or not he may keep turning his head and attitudes along with any changing of the wind’s direction, meaning that I’m probably not well informed enough about him, but I do know this much:

I will evolve within MGTOW into what I believe is reasonable and feasible, I am going to take all those things out of the philosophy as a whole with respect and learn from all of those, which make plausible real sense to me and I shall stick to those as well and for as long as I can, and not focusing too much upon certain terms, the definitions of which may change over time, because after all I am considering myself as fully capable of making up my own mind up about the entire situation as a whole and that personally to me is what me GMOW should be all about, nothing less and nothing more. The way itself might go around a few slight bends, but there shouldn’t be too many side branches digressing or side tracking me, for I want to go straight ahead for most of the time within this my own evolving and learning process…      … and I trust that most of you guys in here will understand what I mean by that.

All the best, gents.

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

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