I bring this up because I noticed yesterday this video from Traversable MGTOW.

Now he is in agreement that the actual rate is higher but I’m just not sure about his math. Something doesn’t seem right.

So just googling it I came across some interesting articles:

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What is the Actual US Divorce Rate and Risk?

So does anyone have any insight/thoughts?

(excluding re-married parents. Lots of them also had “step” parents)

Conversely (and curiously) almost all of my significant “girlfriends” had two married parents – except one.

The “divorce statistic” I was observing around me was FAR TOO HIGH for my liking. I don’t believe in divorce, so just ONE is unacceptable. Even my parents went though a time when they discussed splitting. But she stayed because of their vows. They went together like peas and carrots and even loved conflict in part. I was more irritated by their petty bickering than they were.

So I learned even non-divorced marriages don’t mean they “worked”.

Observe some more:

• Considering many woman are capable of pretending to be “happily married while dreaming of divorce” I would also want no part of that – on any level. To hear my bride speaking about me that way to others would get her kicked out into the street.

• Women also stay in bad relationships for the money.

• Research also finds women feel happy when their husband or partner is upset, which also explained where fights from nowhere seemed to come from.

• Plus further testimony I Wish My Husband Were The Love Of My Life but he isn’t.

• …. ad of course, the “I guess you’ll do” attitude was EVERYWHERE when I watched exes marry THE VERY NEXT GUY. How was that possible? I never met a truly marriageable one who I thought would be a suitable wife/mother to build a future with. But they married the very NEXT one?

• Then I saw a dialogue between two women where one of them said “when it comes to marriage, one man is as good as the next”.

Creepy.

My personal experience can relate to all of the above to some degree, and I have seen the dynamic of other married couples which was enough to put me off on its own. The treatment I have seen some married men tolerate is too far from my comprehension. I spit out any belittling, or nagging & controlling behavior like it’s poisonous.

So I don’t need “divorce statistics”.
20%. 50%. 75% of 3rd marriages… i don’t give a f~~~.

I dont’ need to know what % of grenades won’t (or will) explode in my face. I’m not pulling the pin on a grenade when I don’t have control of the outcome. And a “marriage” is not something I wan’t to “control” anyway. Every day she is there is because she WANTS to be – or the door is open and she can LEAVE. I don’t want to know she is there for any other reason.

“Divorce statistics” can lick me where I s~~~.
They don’t mean s~~~ anyway.

Jack Harper wrote:

What do you guys think of this?

Even if the divorce rate were 1%, it’s hardly an incentive.

Even if the divorce rate were 1%, it’s hardly an incentive.

With today’s women…this is very true. Even if I didn’t have to worry about divorce rape, would I really want to be married to some post wall carousel rider who causes me lot’s of stress and drama I simply don’t have as a single dude? Nope.

Personally, I rely more heavily on personal observation than statistics. And out of the kids I knew in school and growing up… later in my 20s and beyond, I was one of the ONLY kids with 2 married parents out of my social circle(s).

(excluding re-married parents. Lots of them also had “step” parents)

Conversely (and curiously) almost all of my significant “girlfriends” had two married parents – except one.

The “divorce statistic” I was observing around me was FAR TOO HIGH for my liking. I don’t believe in divorce, so just ONE is unacceptable. Even my parents went though a time when they discussed splitting. But she stayed because of their vows. They went together like peas and carrots and even loved conflict in part. I was more irritated by their petty bickering than they were.

So I learned even non-divorced marriages don’t mean they “worked”.

Observe some more:

• Considering many woman are capable of pretending to be “happily married while dreaming of divorce” I would also want no part of that – on any level. To hear my bride speaking about me that way to others would get her kicked out into the street.

• Women also stay in bad relationships for the money.

• Research also finds women feel happy when their husband or partner is upset, which also explained where fights from nowhere seemed to come from.

• Plus further testimony I Wish My Husband Were The Love Of My Life but he isn’t.

• …. ad of course, the “I guess you’ll do” attitude was EVERYWHERE when I watched exes marry THE VERY NEXT GUY. How was that possible? I never met a truly marriageable one who I thought would be a suitable wife/mother to build a future with. But they married the very NEXT one?

• Then I saw a dialogue between two women where one of them said “when it comes to marriage, one man is as good as the next”.

Creepy.

My personal experience can relate to all of the above to some degree, and I have seen the dynamic of other married couples which was enough to put me off on its own. The treatment I have seen some married men tolerate is too far from my comprehension. I spit out any belittling, or nagging & controlling behavior like it’s poisonous.

So I don’t need “divorce statistics”.
20%. 50%. 75% of 3rd marriages… i don’t give a f~~~.

I dont’ need to know what % of grenades won’t (or will) explode in my face. I’m not pulling the pin on a grenade when I don’t have control of the outcome. And a “marriage” is not something I wan’t to “control” anyway. Every day she is there is because she WANTS to be – or the door is open and she can LEAVE. I don’t want to know she is there for any other reason.

“Divorce statistics” can lick me where I s~~~.
They don’t mean s~~~ anyway.

Jack Harper wrote:

What do you guys think of this?

Even if the divorce rate were 1%, it’s hardly an incentive.

Your response is excellent KM, but I can’t help but be curious about the actual math and numbers. I guess that’s just part of who I am. I’ve suspected for a while there is some kind of data manipulation going on there.

But I also am curious because in talking to young men when I try to dispense red pills I have cited the “50% end in divorce” stat, which may not be accurate. And I like to try to present verifiable evidence when I can with a real basis that I can point to. Anecdotal evidence is powerful, and I am reluctant to trust statistics generally (or I always question how the data could be manipulated) but it is a way of presenting data to people in a form they can digest.

The only things young men in your counsel need to know is that the porn star sex stops at the same time that she thinks she gets to tell you what to do with your time not spent at work

If that isn’t enough of a red pill ask him if he’d f~~~ her mom, because in 25 years he will be.

From my circle of friend 28 years ago, there are a handful still married. The stats tend to reflect likelihood over a certain period of time so KM’s post shows that sometimes the divorce hasn’t happened YET.

Your response is excellent KM, but I can’t help but be curious about the actual math and numbers. I guess that’s just part of who I am

Instead of being curious about the macro percentage for divorces, I think what’s important to keep in mind is what is your own rate of divorce ?

For example, you’re divorced therefore you’re at 100 % divorce rate, and if you were to get re-married you would probably be a whole lot closer to 100% divorce then any other number. These numbers are meaningful, and great personal lil red pill reminders.

Personally, I’m still enslaved, but I have about a 95% probability to be divorced when the youngest is a senior in high school if not before. I leave a 5% probability that I may die before I have the opportunity to be divorced. Therefore, I’m pretty confident that ANY potential second marriages would lead me to a 100% divorce rate as well.

And out of the kids I knew in school and growing up… later in my 20s and beyond, I was one of the ONLY kids with 2 married parents out of my social circle(s).

Same here, growing up in the late 70’s most of my buddys were from divorced families. I was actually jealous, as the parents competed for their affection by buying lots of gifts that they would show off at school. Just shows how I knew the value of nothing at that age.

• …. ad of course, the “I guess you’ll do” attitude was EVERYWHERE when I watched exes marry THE VERY NEXT GUY. How was that possible? I never met a truly marriageable one who I thought would be a suitable wife/mother to build a future with. But they married the very NEXT one?

One man’s money spends just as good as the next one’s. They aren’t marrying the man, they are marrying the resource. It doesn’t matter what the last name is just as long as he is related to a Grant or Franklin.

Take this with a healthy dose of skepticism

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/marriage_divorce_tables.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/state_divorce_rates_90_95_and_99-14.pdf

Jack Harper wrote:

Your response is excellent KM, but I can’t help but be curious about the actual math and numbers. I guess that’s just part of who I am

Instead of being curious about the macro percentage for divorces, I think what’s important to keep in mind is what is your own rate of divorce ?

For example, you’re divorced therefore you’re at 100 % divorce rate, and if you were to get re-married you would probably be a whole lot closer to 100% divorce then any other number. These numbers are meaningful, and great personal lil red pill reminders.

Personally, I’m still enslaved, but I have about a 95% probability to be divorced when the youngest is a senior in high school if not before. I leave a 5% probability that I may die before I have the opportunity to be divorced. Therefore, I’m pretty confident that ANY potential second marriages would lead me to a 100% divorce rate as well.

You know this is interesting. I don’t know if I mentioned it before but in my parents business (that I’m working towards taking over) my mother commented recently that this was ‘the year of divorce’ as so many clients that they had known for 20-30 years were getting divorced. So middle-aged couples. One man served his wife the month after their youngest son graduated from University. My mother was confused. I told her honestly that several men I’ve talked to have told me that was their plan. Wait until the kids are grown and independent and then leave. She was pretty shocked but she’s from a different time.

She did say from what she’s gathered it was the men leaving the women. Some had affairs some did not. They just wanted out. A common theme being the wife spent too much money and didn’t save, didn’t appreciate the men, treated them poorly.

Interesting. But I do think it’s best to end it and get out as early as possible. Like my dad told me during my divorce the best thing for my sons was to have a dad who was alive and able to be there for them when they needed me down the road. I think the earlier you get out the easier it will be to recover (and I don’t think it’s EVER really ‘easy’).