What are the distinctions b/w MGTOW and MRA?

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Hey fellow MGTOWs. I hope y’all are punting some c~~~s today! I wanted to get a overall consensus on what really differentiates us from the traditional MRA groups. I understand the general premise of what constitutes a MGTOW. Also, do you think there are MRA’s who are also MGTOW, or are they mutually exclusive?

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[Freeman_KParticipant 3524]

On a -100 to +100 give a s~~~ scale MRA is at +100 and MGTOW is at -100 so i think the distinction is very clear and frame of mind is exclusive.

The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

MRA’s are political; they have a political agenda and they are out to change laws by influencing politicians.

MGTOW is not political, does not have an agenda and as a group is not interested in influencing politicians or changing laws. (We might on an individual basis.) MGTOW is all about individual sovereignty, individual choices and personal thought—there is no group-think or collectivized action.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Freeman_K wrote:

Nonconformity can get you into trouble, conformity leads to mediocrity. Occasional storm is much more fun than floating among dead fish.

I think your signature has some profound insight. If you do either extreme, it will lead to ruin. But unpredictability creates opportunity to makes one’s own path.

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[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

PistolPete wrote:

MRA’s are political; they have a political agenda and they are out to change laws by influencing politicians.

MGTOW is not political, does not have an agenda and as a group is not interested in influencing politicians or changing laws. (We might on an individual basis.) MGTOW is all about individual sovereignty, individual choices and personal thought—there is no group-think or collectivized action.

So no MGTOW’s seek to lobby changes in this gynocentric world? If this is the case, then how do we expect this s~~~storm to ever change?

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[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

The idea is to go with the answer NO. I think that’s what MGTOW focus on. So in that sense I think it’s about non-acceptance, just like the MGTOW image here portrays:

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Say NO! That’s what I did. And the agent in charge of my CS file said ‘fine have it your way’. I’ll be getting a letter soon. Then I’ll say no again. Then I’ll get another letter, a more forceful one. I’ll still say no! Then the authorities will send a bailiff with a threatening document for me to accept. I’ll still say no! Then they will go for some kind of legal action against me. Then I’ll say no again… Hell, if I push that NO far enough I may even have a warrant for my arrest issued against me. Guess what I’ll say NO again… Or maybe not… Say no for as long as you possibly can. That’s the idea.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[AutoliteParticipant]

I agree with PP. But you can be both a MGTOW and an MRA but that’s just a combination of two different things.

MGTOW is a mindset one adopts for one’s own individual survival. MRA is a movement trying to change the way society treats men.

You could say that Dr Helen Smith or Karen Straughan might be MRAs but they’re certainly not MGTOWs…

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Point Of No Return wrote:

The idea is to go with the answer NO. I think that’s what MGTOW focus on. So in that sense I think it’s about non-acceptance, just like the MGTOW image here portrays:

Well how do we know if things will change, if there never is any attempt or effort to rectify the ills of feminism? I think changing what I can, with my own personal agency, is a venerable endeavor. So, if I wanted to make a effort to reverse this gynocracy, through legal means, this too would be a venerable endeavor. Would it not?

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[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Personally, I agree with this. I have lived the MGTOW mindset for about 2 years now, and it was 1 year into before I realized what I actually was. I do long for the old days where men were respected, and marriage wasn’t an egregiously raw deal for men. It seems those days have withered away in obscurity.

Autolite wrote:

I agree with PP. But you can be both a MGTOW and an MRA but that’s just a combination of two different things.

MGTOW is a mindset one adopts for one’s own individual survival. MRA is a movement trying to change the way society treats men.

You could say that Dr Helen Smith or Karen Straughan might be MRAs but they’re certainly not MGTOWs…

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Men’s Rights Activist. Different from a MGHOW, an MRA actively strives to reverse the grossly unfair anti-male bias in the divorce & anti-family court system. Perhaps he attends conferences, appears on TV, or pickets at court houses, but he takes an active role in attempting to negotiate for more equitable laws for men.

Where a woman can legally drop all of her parental responsibilities off and her unwanted baby at the local firestation with no consequences and no questions asked (i.e Roe vs. Wade), there are men in prison – right now – who have been ordered to pay child support for children that are not even theirs.

MRAs seek to restore an equilibrium in the tragically skewed Western legal system where women have (and want) 100% “choice”, but fail to accept (and don’t want) 100% responsibility.

A MGHOW practices prevention: i.e. Never sign a marriage contract…. and POOF! that problem is solved.
His exercises his “male right” another way, where the “action” is the IN-action.

It’s a simplification, but you get the idea.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 25]

MRA is a supplicant approach. By being ‘activist’ they are asking the Government, feminists and manginas etc for their rights

Mghow is sovereign. Our rights are ours as of right, we don’t have to ask the Government, manginas or feminists for anything by supplicating. The issues of divorce rape, false accusations etc are all solved in a sovereign proactive way. Divorce rape = no marriage, problem solved. False accusations = avoid feminists and crazy women, problem solved. Child maintenance = guard your sperm like fort knox, problem solved.

It’s brothers doing it for themselves and there’s f~~~ all feminists and maginas can do about it.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Anonymous wrote:

MRA is a supplicant approach. By being ‘activist’ they are asking the Government, feminists and manginas etc for their rights

Mghow is sovereign. Our rights are ours as of right, we don’t have to ask the Government, manginas or feminists for anything by supplicating. The issues of divorce rape, false accusations etc are all solved in a sovereign proactive way. Divorce rape = no marriage, problem solved. False accusations = avoid feminists and crazy women, problem solved. Child maintenance = guard your sperm like fort knox, problem solved.

It’s brothers doing it for themselves and there’s f~~~ all feminists and maginas can do about it.

Nice!

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Anonymous 42]

(MRA) Run those hoses! Hook up those hydrants, FIGHT THAT FIRE! We can put it out if we just keep on TRYING! It’s only been 50 years!

Are you seeing this? man what an intense blaze! Great for melting S’mores! lets crack a and eat our delicious blaze melted S’mores!

MGTOW Knight wrote:

Well how do we know if things will change, if there never is any attempt or effort to rectify the ills of feminism?

We’ve had enough! Time to go on vacation, FOREVER! The only way to get UN-F~~~ED!

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

So the lack of action is the action. Hmm never really though of it that way. Interesting

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[KeymasterKeymaster]

MGTOW Knight wrote:

So the lack of action is the action. Hmm never really though of it that way. Interesting

Yes that is what is FUNDAMENTALLY exclusive to MGTOW, and is often not emphasized enough.

For example, yesterday, a new “member” posted a video of a guy pushing a girl off a rocky ledge which he called “when he went MGTOW” or something very close to that. It was intended to be humorous.

But in principal, that’s not “MGTOW”.

A “MGHOW” would leave her there and turn and walk AWAY from her.
The IN-action is the action. It’s about the non-participation.

It’s very important distinction. I don’t know if you’re familiar with “the art of war”, but in the book, it describes how a simple refusal to fight is actually a very effective winning strategy. Same idea.

“The only winning move is not to play”.
– War Games

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

I am familiar with the Art of War. This is a very effective way of resolving conflicts in all aspects of life. IP MAN used a very familiar strategy to effectively pummel all wrong doers.

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[KeymasterKeymaster]

MGTOW Knight wrote:

I am familiar with the Art of War. This is a very effective way of resolving conflicts in all aspects of life. IP MAN used a very familiar strategy to effectively pummel all wrong doers.

Yes another book on my shelf is “The 33 strategies of war”, and you can certainly apply these strategies to your personal life, everyday debates, struggles and challenges, and even in the workplace and negotiations.

When to speak…. when to argue…. When NOT to speak or argue…. etc.

Another well known example:

“A Jedi uses his skills for knowledge and defense. Never for attack”.
– YODA | The Empire Strikes Back

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Keymaster wrote:

MGTOW Knight wrote:

I am familiar with the Art of War. This is a very effective way of resolving conflicts in all aspects of life. IP MAN used a very familiar strategy to effectively pummel all wrong doers.

Yes another book on my shelf is “The 33 strategies of war”, and you can certainly apply these strategies to your personal life, everyday debates, struggles and challenges, and even in the workplace and negotiations. When to speak. When NOT to speak. etc.

KM dropping the wisdom. Well right on! I know the distinction between the two. Does anyone know any MGTOW’s that were formerly MRAs or vice versa?

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[KeymasterKeymaster]

MGTOW Knight wrote:

Does anyone know any MGTOW’s that were formerly MRAs or vice versa?

YES. Our esteemed member PuffinStuff (for example)

He was VERY active in the past and frequently brings general news in the realm of “men’s rights” and the challenges men face having to navigate the current legal climate.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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