We were not supposed to be monogamus – the hypocrisy

[Anonymous 1]

So. this is something that kind of bothers me a little bit.

Now and then I see men, from all people, preaching that we, as a species, were not supposed to be monogamous..

Well, if you are a man, and you think that humans should not be monogamus, here is a quick question for you: Why then, if you think humans shouldn’t be monogamous, aren’t YOU (or more men, for that matter) on a open relationship? Why, if men are the “horny ones” aren’t MEN pushing for open marriage, and instead, we see WOMEN the ones pushing this crap more and more? Why, if that is “the way it is supposed to be”, this article: http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/what-open-marriage-taught-one-man-about-feminism.html not being praised, instead of scorned, by those same men that claim man are not supposed to be monogamous?

This is what p~~~es me off about this argument: the men that defend this s~~~ are the first to mock “male feminists” that actually practice this nonsense. Not only that, they seem to ignore what is happening around them, the same way feminists seem to ignore biology. Men (and I am including myself on this) are AVOIDING sex rather than “joining” the “lets share a woman” mentality. Isn’t that strange? If men cared only to get their dicks wet, shouldn’t Japan been suffering from an overpopulation, rather than the opposite? Shouldn’t women on the more liberal countries like Germany and Sweden, been feeling far safer (since men of their own countries would be f~~~ing them like crazy) rather than abandoned?

This idea of “open relationships” is really disgusting to me. Not only because, I aparently am broken since the idea of building a relationship with someone that I know is f~~~ing other men on the side is not appealing to me at all, but because the more Mgtow grows, the more we can see the idea this is the “default mode for men” isn’t true. The majority of men in Mgtow are not complaining because women are not f~~~ing enough, but quite the oposite. I see many Mgtows going to the extent of avoiding women all together, because they can’t seem to keep their legs closed!

So, if that is the case, explain to me again how “not being monogamus” to us not natural? Maybe not for women, but I am not sure about man. Reality seems to be proving otherwise. In fact, the ones that seem to be more willing to buy this idea, the notion that “women should be able to f~~~ anyone” and “men should take the bill” is coming from the so called “real men”.

Well, if being a “real man” requires me to build a relationship with a woman knowingly that she will f~~~ other man, and being ok with it, I will pass.

Let the TradCons and other “real men” take this bill. I rather use porn, and if it comes to it “prostitutes”, since the former is free, and the later is far more HONEST than having my heart teared apart by some bitch, and having to hear the “man up” from everybody else as consequence.

Just a little rant on this madness that is “we are not monogamus” crap.

If we aren’t, then call me an aberration, and count me out of this s~~~hole people call humanity.

Cheers.

[Anonymous 42]

Hey Badkan, women have been running around getting their way in all their filthy hearts desires (for decades), It’s only now that men have stood back and analyzed just what the f~~~ has been going on!
I find that most females are morally repulsive! The only thing that’s “open ended” is their legs! What self respecting man would willingly f~~~ an open sewer? Today’s “Monogamy” is a man not willing to swim in another mans semen!
Need I say more?

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

First I want to say that I am also more than a little amused, if not intellectually challenged by the hypocrisy of the monogamy “narrative”.

Anonymous wrote:

this article: http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/what-open-marriage-taught-one-man-about-feminism.html%5B/quote%5D

Second, I believe that the article that you cited is less about a man that believes that his lack of objection to his wife f~~~ing around is a expression of his feminist beliefs, and is more a way of legitimizing his enjoyment of being cuckolded.

Cuckoldry as a fetish

Unlike the traditional definition of the term, in fetish usage a cuckold is complicit in his (or her) partner’s sexual “infidelity”; the wife who enjoys cuckolding her husband is frequently called a hotwife or a cuckoldress if the man is more submissive. ~ Wikipedia.

What we may be seeing in the media (from one degree to another), is submissive men (to one degree or another) writing about how fulfilled they are in their relationship and calling their bias feminism.

Food for thought.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[BudtaoParticipant 293]

The way I see it, men are polygamous by nature. Women are hypergamous by nature. This is what creates the 80% of women reproduce, 40% of men reproduce situation. This is why a society created a relationship style called monogamy. This was best known as marriage. This social style allowed society to harness the production of a good chuck of those unfortunate 60% of males. So, by going back to the previous relationship style, aka open relationship, all we are really doing it removing the only institution that created enough surplus production to create the infrastrucure we have now.
MGTOW is basically just the 60% of men who don’t reproduce saying our production is our own again. We are basically peaceful revolution without direction.

TL;DR, no we aren’t “supposed” to be monogamous, but its the best strategy we have come up with to create civilization.

Nirvanna is never having to worry about a woman ever again.

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

Today’s “Monogamy” is a man not willing to swim in another mans semen!

I get what you are saying, but I am going even further than that. I think, it is not just a matter of “hygiene” or “diseases”, but men that claim “we are not supposed to be monogamous” seem to ignore the emotional connection (or pair bonding) that men do with women (and that women don’t do with men). I mean, if it was a matter of physical health, than all women need to do is to keep clean right? Men would not complain, right? And yet, men are not willing to build relationships with women that sleep around, no matter the hygiene. Why?

Because, I believe, for all the “we are not a monogamous species” bulls~~~, many of us seem to want a monogomaus relationship. Or not have any at all. And if these men that say this argument really think that way, why they are not feminists? Shouldn’t they, the men that really believe that we are not a pair bonding species by default, be standing behind the “slutwalks”, “open marriages” and all that jazz? Surely, if you work out enough, and/or make enough money (or look like it), pussy will not be a problem. And yet, I see many members here that had no problem in getting laid, and still chose to go their own way. Isn’t that strange, if we are not supposed to be monogamus, that the group that is growing more and more is exacly the men that are fed up/not buying into the whole “open relationship/marriage” thinking?

It just amazes me the paradox that is the whole “not monogamous species” argument coming from MEN that would despise “open marriage/relationships” in the first place. Women don’t care, that is the only value they seem to have, so it is obvious why they would want to be able to give sex away to anyone without any repercussion. But to MEN be defending “polygami” in a way, and then be upset that women are sluts? That is just stupid.

[WolfParticipant 890]

I read a few a articles on this over the last year or so, and the crux of the theory was: men are not wired for monogamy, but women are. So the idea of men sharing a woman doesn’t apply. The theory is that our primary purpose is to inseminate as many women as possible, while women nest and raise the children.

From a pure biological perspective, this makes sense. It’s not difficult for a guy to get a woman pregnant, but a woman has to go through 9 months of pregnancy plus many years of raising the child. However, having guys running around impregnating as many women as possible and not being there to support the mother and child(ren) is problematic on a socio-economical level. Hence, the advent of marriage and monogamy.

From my understanding, marriage was a way to ensure that men provided for his child(ren). Way back in the day, there was no birth control or a scientific means to determine who was the biological father of children. Imposing a requirement of marriage on men and women prior to sexual activity ensured (if followed) that the father was known, and he had a duty to provide for the wife and child(ren).

The history of marriage involves more than the aforementioned discussion, but it is a practical reason for marriage and monogamy throughout history that served to benefit society. Marriage has now evolved to be something different, which is mainly centred around some mystical concept of love and commitment.

Why does monogamy still exist? Because women want it. We live in a gynocentric society whereby women are the gatekeepers to the vagina, and men won’t get any if they don’t play by the rules. Men can unite and take a stance, but they’ll just be mocked and shamed.

The article you linked involved a guy who liked his wife having multiple sexual partners. And his wife liked it too. Such a swinging lifestyle is not the norm – it’s an exception, which doesn’t negate the general rule of monogamy that women want.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Anonymous wrote:

but men that claim “we are not supposed to be monogamous” seem to ignore the emotional connection (or pair bonding) that men do with women (and that women don’t do with men).

Again hypocrisy, I believe.

First they are sold of the pipe dream of wedded bliss from their families and mainstream media. Disney movies and teen romances novels and flicks can account for this.

They graduate highschool and then are told that they don’t have to ‘settle down’ for a while. Then as Bad Popp explained, they get five hundred miles of dick by the time they are thirty. Their ability to pair bond is attenuated by the experience of their multiple partners.

But the pipe dream remains along with the expectations that they have for the men.

The break between their actions and desires stems from (all caps here) ACCOUNTABILITY. In as much as they want to have it all, no one in the media, high school girlfriends, manginas, college professors, or their mothers discuss the very real fact that they have responsibilities in a relationship, let alone the requirement for polite social discourse. Privileged children that are shocked and surprised and indignant when someone shows them the bill.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[Anonymous 42]

Well said BadKan! I agree! It’s not so much the dirt as it is the spiritual swapping of spit!
You’re right! My own walking away was when I realized my pair bonding nature was my own undoing! So I killed my heart and walked away! The best damn decision I ever made!
After seeing the jaded nature of modern “liberated” women, I want nothing to do with them, I couldn’t care less who does or doesn’t f~~~ them!
Thanks feminism, you’ve put pair bonding on the same plane as bestiality! Like putting makeup on a pig!

[Anonymous 1]

Budtao wrote:

So, by going back to the previous relationship style, aka open relationship, all we are really doing it removing the only institution that created enough surplus production to create the infrastrucure we have now

Well, if that is the case, are you willing to be on an open relationship? Are you willing to build a relationsip, even if you are not losing money, with someone that you know might be having sex with other men? Doe this “feel” right to you?

Budtao wrote:

MGTOW is basically just the 60% of men who don’t reproduce saying our production is our own again

So, you are saying that the only reason why Mgtow exists, is because we are afraid of losing money on a relationship. Than why aren’t more men, married men, just “opening up” to “open relationships”? Why aren’t men here, on this website, ralling behind the idea that we all should “share” women, we just don’t have to “pay” for it?

I mean, if we are not supposed to be monogamus, then the majority of men here on this website should be supporting the idea of “open relationships”, right? If the only thing behind mgtow is the “we are the one that can’t have sex without using our resources as mating strategy”, aren’t we supposed to be ok with a wife that only stays with us because of our money?

So, what you are saying, is that all it takes is for the alymony laws to be changed to be more fair, and men would go back to women? Because Mgtow are the ones that cannot get pussy without resources?

Really?

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Anonymous wrote:

Because, I believe, for all the “we are not a monogamous species” bulls~~~, many of us seem to want a monogomaus relationship.

I believe it may be a situation issue, depending on various factors. Now, many people, of both genders, are looking for a comfortable life with someone. The hows and whys are still up for debate.

But, one cannot judge meaningful relationships in this society because this society is assbackwards when it comes relationships. We have a society that rewards irresponsibility and promiscuity for women to sleep with as many people as possible, and have as many children as possible While at the same time men are forced to deal with all the responsibility without any true rewards.

In this society, a man is not afraid to commit to a woman, a man is afraid to be forced to commit to the state, should the woman dump him.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I don’t believe in monogamy simply because you won’t find a monogamous woman. If you think you have, you are being f~~~ing delusional. Marriage is another thing, I’ll never get married. But then again, I’m never really in relationships. I bring girls over, I f~~~ them, and then i go and f~~~ another woman. Women are out doing the same thing.

Monogamy isn’t natural. It’s good for society and civilization and is lauded because of it, but it’s not f~~~ing normal. if it was, then why the f~~~ would so many people cheat? ALL THE TIME? Married or not. Monogamy was good back before birth control, to hold a family unit together. I won’t begrudge anyone for sleeping around because I do it too. But then again, I can drop a girl like a bag of rocks and move on to the next one. Either you do it or they will do it to you. Treat them as such.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[RoyDalParticipant]

When a couple tells you they are experimenting with “open marriage” mark your calendar. It is a safe bet they will be filing for divorce in six months. This is an observation from my younger days.

Another observation: Do not take advantage of the “openness” if you want to stay friends with the man. Stay the hell away from it all, except to let him bunk on your couch when the inevitable happens.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[HitmanParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I find that most females are morally repulsive!

i find most females to be repulsive in almost every aspect ! more and more ..
on a good day i can enjoy looking at a rare attractive one..
usually i don’t even want to look ..like monsters ..i just don’t want to see anymore..
not giving a damn is the only way for me now..i simply don’t care about them..
i can’t believe how brain-washed i was ..

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

There is a small percentage of women in most societies that are able to successfully be monogamous and not engage in hypergamy or infidelity.

Those women are either:

In a coma

or

Dead.

Otherwise, it’s a total c~~~-fest, hypergamous world of sluts acquiring resources, money and mind-f~~~ing guys through clitoral manipulation and games.

The only way to win the game is to not play it and be well aware of the fact that unicorns do not exist.

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