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I avoid the benefits of marriage for the same reasons that I avoid a stack of 100 dollar bills on top of a mountain of s~~~. It just ain’t worth it.
Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.
Anonymous2How many times are these idiots going to ask the sam stupid question of “Why aren’t men seeing the benefits of marriage?”
Why doesn’t your dumb ass look up the effects of DIVORCE on men? You know, you have to be married before you become divorced, dumbass! Some men have a brain and weigh risk vs. reward, and come to the conclusion that marriage is a s~~~ deal that can lead to financial and emotional ruin for them.
Of course, I don’t think these people are really that stupid to be scratching their heads saying “DERP! I JUST CAN’T FIGURE OUT WHAT’S GOING ON HERE!” They know damn well what is happening, but they’re acting the fool because the truth doesn’t serve the gynocentric agenda. So, they play this idiotic game where they act like it’s some big f~~~ing mystery that is eluding everybody and nobody can seem to figure it out.
From the article:
Too many American men view marriage as weighing them down with a ball and chain, overlooking the many benefits that accrue from having a spouse — from more money and a better sex life to significantly better physical and mental health.
(1) The reason there is ‘more money’ is that they are working themselves into an early grave to satisfy the demands of a c~~~.
(2) There isn’t ‘more money’ anyway. The c~~~ grabs it all, before, during and after the divorce-rape.
(3) Working all hours and never taking care of your own needs is hardly beneficial to physical or mental health.
(4) Enough of the sex-obsession. It’s for procreation, nothing more. Is there really nothing else on offer?
From the article:
51 percent of married men reported they were extremely emotionally satisfied with sex …
Uh, and the other 49%? Half your customers being dissatisfied doesn’t sound like a success story to me.
I don’t remember the sex being better when I was married. In fact, before I got married it was AMAZING, after, it was as fun as changing the oil in my truck. I did it every 6 months and it was the same thing every time.
Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.
Still peddling the same tired lies.
Married men make more because they are FORCED to. If I didn’t have a child to raise I wouldn’t have worked as hard as I have because I could have less stress and net more as a man with no depedents at a lower level job. That’s what married men deal with along with a money sucking bitch in tow.
I can only speak for myself but, in every relationship that I’ve been in, the sex dried up as soon as the bitch thought she had me under control. This was always after only a few months. I couldn’t even imagine getting married to these women and having them meter out tiny amounts of sex for the rest of my life. Add to this their s~~~ty entitled attitudes and I would be out the door.
Longer lives? Could have fooled me. Death is one of my biggest fears but it doesn’t scare me more than the thought of living an empty life in servitude to a selfish greedy bitch. I’ll glady lose a couple years and keep my dignity, money, and happiness.
#MANOUT
For some reason there seems to be a small percentage of people who really are sensible?
It’s not a matter of sensible or not. It’s a matter of staying in business. Single men offer a much better return for wages these days than married men. When you hire a single man, you’re hiring just him. When you hire a married man you’re also taking wifey on board, whether you want to or not. Wives these days are not just a burden on their husband, but also on their husband’s employer.
Longer lives? Could have fooled me.
It’s a lie based on child mortality. Children who die are very rarely married, but they get included in the statistics to force a desired, and false, conclusion.
But then it’s all lies.
The truth is simple: No wife equals awesome life!
Longer lives? Could have fooled me.
It’s a statistical trick, as sidecar explained. Statistics is a powerful mathematical tool and one which produces remarkable results when used correctly. Sadly, the general population is functionally innumerate and can just about count “One, tow, three, many…” when forced to do so. That means statistics is misused, most often deliberately, to blow smoke up the populace’s collective ass.
It’s best to borrow the computing phrase “Garbage In, Garbage Out”. Without getting too detailed, let me use the example of differing divorce rates to explain how statistics is misused. (For those keeping score, this is the example is used in a response to rossfrombritain.)
The divorce rate most often quoted by the media, feminists, tradcons, and other f~~~wits is 50% – and that’s only when they deign to notice the topic. That percentage is calculated by taking the crude marriage rate and the crude divorce rate to create a ratio of sorts. Those two “crude” rates are calculated in turn by counting how many marriages or divorces occur for every 1000 people in the general population.
You should already see the problem with this “per 1000” sampling process. Among many other things, some of those 1000 people are people who cannot get married or divorced! Why would you count children, for example, to determine either rate?
A better statistical analyses would be what’s called a “longitudinal” analyses. Such an analyses makes adjustments for the sample population and the sampling methods used.
In 2011, the crude marriage rate in the US for 2011 was 6.8 people per 1000 and the crude divorce rate was 3.6 people out of every 1000 producing a divorce rate of “53%”.
A longitudinal study using 2011’s numbers as part of a large data set produced much different divorce rate: 93% of first time marriage fail within 10 years. You can see how the longitudinal study is more accurate because it’s more specific. Among other things it specifies a time period and a type of marriage instead of just blathering about a “flat” rate like “50%”.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Longer lives? Could have fooled me.
It’s a statistical trick, as sidecar explained. Statistics is a powerful mathematical tool and one which produces remarkable results when used correctly. Sadly, the general population is functionally innumerate and can just about count “One, tow, three, many…” when forced to do so. That means statistics is misused, most often deliberately, to blow smoke up the populace’s collective ass.
It’s best to borrow the computing phrase “Garbage In, Garbage Out”. Without getting too detailed, let me use the example of differing divorce rates to explain how statistics is misused. (For those keeping score, this is the example is used in a response to rossfrombritain.)
The divorce rate most often quoted by the media, feminists, tradcons, and other f~~~wits is 50% – and that’s only when they deign to notice the topic. That percentage is calculated by taking the crude marriage rate and the crude divorce rate to create a ratio of sorts. Those two “crude” rates are calculated in turn by counting how many marriages or divorces occur for every 1000 people in the general population.
You should already see the problem with this “per 1000” sampling process. Among many other things, some of those 1000 people are people who cannot get married or divorced! Why would you count children, for example, to determine either rate?
A better statistical analyses would be what’s called a “longitudinal” analyses. Such an analyses makes adjustments for the sample population and the sampling methods used.
In 2011, the crude marriage rate in the US for 2011 was 6.8 people per 1000 and the crude divorce rate was 3.6 people out of every 1000 producing a divorce rate of “53%”.
A longitudinal study using 2011’s numbers as part of a large data set produced much different divorce rate: 93% of first time marriage fail within 10 years. You can see how the longitudinal study is more accurate because it’s more specific. Among other things it specifies a time period and a type of marriage instead of just blathering about a “flat” rate like “50%”.
Do you have a link to that study? I definitely want to read it.
#MANOUT
I tend to go on personal experience in this matter.
My grandfather was a quiet, thoughtful academic, married to my grandmother, who admitted that she probably never should have had the 4 children that became my dad and uncles. My grandfather died at exactly 65 years old, shortly after retiring.
My dad has openly admitted that in my grandfather’s generation (born in the 1910s) divorce was absolutely NOT an option, and that dad thinks grandfather “created” his own heart attack as his only option out of the marriage.
I don’t know about the medical possibility of this, but I’ve seen stranger things. And we do have to ask why so many men die within 2 years of retiring. It seems that the more time they spend at home with their wives, the shorter their lifespan becomes. Odd coincidence, don’t you think?
Do you have a link to that study? I definitely want to read it.
This site quotes the study’s results:
You can most likely find links to it there.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Do you have a link to that study? I definitely want to read it.
This site quotes the study’s results:
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You can most likely find links to it there.
I think this is the main source of info that statistic brain uses for the article but it shows different results than statistic brain:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr049.pdf
The probability that a first marriage will survive 10 years is way different. For example, the CDC article claims that women and men are around 68-70% chance of a first marriage lasting ten years but the statistic brain article is claiming 6.6% chance.
I need more time to read. I know that it doesn’t seem real that 68-70% of first marriages last at least 10 years. Most people I know are constantly arguing with their significant others their entire marriages and it certainly doesn’t seem that these marriages are lasting for over 10 years. Maybe I’m wrong though. I have always felt that the 50-53% divorce rate seemed low compared to reality.
#MANOUT
I think this is the main source of info that statistic brain uses for the article but it shows different results than statistic brain…
Watch for “label changes” in the government report. It will use the term “marriage”, then use “co-habitating sexual partners”, then go back to using “marriage” despite the fact that the two terms do not mean the same thing.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous3I think this is the main source of info that statistic brain uses for the article but it shows different results than statistic brain…
Watch for “label changes” in the government report. It will use the term “marriage”, then use “co-habitating sexual partners”, then go back to using “marriage” despite the fact that the two terms do not mean the same thing.
Women in general do the same thing with the words dating and marriage. Whichever is more convenient for them they use.
I want to get to the bottom of this or at least find something accurate. I want something I can feel confident in quoting when someone is trying to push lies about how great the plantation is.
#MANOUT
I want something I can feel confident in quoting when someone is trying to push lies about how great the plantation is.
Why? Debating them isn’t going to change their minds.
If thousands of facts, decades of horrors, and a collapsing society haven’t changed their minds, why do you think that you’re going to be the one who will finally break through all the willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance?
Talk about hubris.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I want something I can feel confident in quoting when someone is trying to push lies about how great the plantation is.
Why? Debating them isn’t going to change their minds.
If thousands of facts, decades of horrors, and a collapsing society haven’t changed their minds, why do you think that you’re going to be the one who will finally break through all the willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance?
Talk about hubris.
Because that’s how I operate.
#MANOUT
Because that’s how I operate.
Believe me, you’ve much better things to do with your time.
Focus on yourself instead of being one of those tedious young men who insist on lecturing all and sundry at every opportunity.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Because that’s how I operate.
Believe me, you’ve much better things to do with your time.
Focus on yourself instead of being one of those tedious young men who insist on lecturing all and sundry at every opportunity.
I appreciate the concern. If you come across any other material related to divorce rates, please share.
#MANOUT
I appreciate the concern. If you come across any other material related to divorce rates, please share.
I was an “angry young man” once too, although decades ago and regarding a completely different topic. If a discussion began involving my particular “hobby horse” I was right there ready to pounce with all my facts neatly memorized and rhetorical flourishes rehearsed.
The effort, the preparation, all of it was for nothing. I changed no opinions, gained no converts, and informed no one of anything. All I did was waste my time and damage myself.
I’d hate to see some other young man make the same mistakes I did. Nothing more.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous6And we do have to ask why so many men die within 2 years of retiring. It seems that the more time they spend at home with their wives, the shorter their lifespan becomes. Odd coincidence, don’t you think?
No nothing odd about that at all.
the road wrote:
I want something I can feel confident in quoting when someone is trying to push lies about how great the plantation is.Why? Debating them isn’t going to change their minds.
If thousands of facts, decades of horrors, and a collapsing society haven’t changed their minds, why do you think that you’re going to be the one who will finally break through all the willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance?
Talk about hubris.I think he’s being force fed blue pill.
If you are still fighting for or against them then they still have you under their sway.
That is the game and the only way to win is to not play.
Anonymous3I appreciate the concern. If you come across any other material related to divorce rates, please share.
I was an “angry young man” once too, although decades ago and regarding a completely different topic. If a discussion began involving my particular “hobby horse” I was right there ready to pounce with all my facts neatly memorized and rhetorical flourishes rehearsed.
The effort, the preparation, all of it was for nothing. I changed no opinions, gained no converts, and informed no one of anything. All I did was waste my time and damage myself.
I’d hate to see some other young man make the same mistakes I did. Nothing more.
Sometimes I read reddit or wind up in a situation where I’m speaking with some younger men, and I noticed a lot complain constantly about things. I know I did that too for awhile, and I sort of wish someone had taken me aside and politely and quietly and kindly told me “When you speak that way and think that way, it reflects very poorly on you and indicates you are a loser. People may agree with you or laugh with you and it may seem you are being clever, but you are actually making a fool of yourself and ultimately people will know you for that, it is better to be silent or positive if the situation allows it, and it is best to surround yourself with other positive people and not with those who are confrontational, aggressive, and negative”.
I wonder if I would have listened if I had been told that. Perhaps not, perhaps it is something we have to go through and learn ourselves, and only happens to those that are intelligent and wise enough to allow themselves to understand. But if it’s possible to learn it, that is a massive shortcut that will mature someone decades in advance. And I think the more mature, and usually more popular and successful young people do come to this understanding or are somehow guided to it.
I know your post might not be quite on this point directly OldBill, but I think it fits into the same idea and may in fact encompass it. When I wound up changing my general mindset, I stopped arguing and stopped trying to convince others of anything. When I first read Dale Carnegie’s “How to Make Friends and Influence People” I thought it was a pile of horses~~~. It was recommended to me very early in my career, and apparently most high level executives had read it (along with a few other seemingly standard books, such as Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” which oddly enough can easily be applied to Carnegie’s book). Carnegie pretty much tells you what a waste of time arguing with people is, and a fool dismisses his wisdom and thinks he knows better. You succinctly conveyed his message, and it would do well for others to understand that wisdom.
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