Want Children: Use a Surrogate

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I’ve been saying this for many many years. If you are going your own way and really really want children…STOP IT!

But, since your a grown man and will not listen to some internet fool like me at least consider using a surrogate.

Eggs go for around 5K and a surrogate costs 20K (many women in Asian countries volenteer for this. Unlike in our culture, Asian women actually like children and don’t think that pregnancy is some malignant disease that god created to torture the XX with.

Has anyone ever known a single guy to do this? I certainly haven’t. And I agree. Don’t have children. But if you do…

Now a new law suit in Britain by a surrogate to keep the child has resulted in two gay men getting to keep their child. So basically the law is siding with the contracted person over the surrogates complaints.

Compare that to any other legal dealings with women and you will see this is as fair as it gets. Probably because so many women use surrogates they want a strong law that protects them.

Doesn’t matter: Strengthening surrogate law: Win Single Men

A 15-month-old girl should be taken from her ‘homophobic’ mother and sent to live with her wealthy gay father and his lover, a High Court judge has ruled.
The mother lied when she agreed to become a surrogate for the gay couple’s desperately wanted child, Ms Justice Russell said.
In fact, she really wanted a baby for herself and regarded the girl’s gay father as no more than a ‘sperm donor’, the judge said.
In a judgment published yesterday, Ms Justice Russell said the mother had used her daughter to manipulate the court – and had tried to discredit the gay father and his partner ‘in a homophobic and offensive manner’.
She said the mother had secretly named the girl and had her baptised in defiance of a court order and without the couple’s consent.
In her ruling, the judge said the 15-month-old girl should not be affected by her mother’s negative views of her father because they will ‘directly affect her own sense of identity’.
Instead, she ordered that the girl should live with her father and his boyfriend and said that the mother – who has been breastfeeding and sleeping with her daughter – should be allowed to see her only under the supervision of social workers.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068796/Deceitful-surrogate-mother-carried-baby-wealthy-gay-couple-refused-hand-desperate-child-herself.html#ixzz3ZM7LWlPJ

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

I’ve been considering this as I still do want a child/children, but I also realize I’m quite young and to give it more time. Good to know there’s a slim possibility of an option for guys like me.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

True story! Can personally concur. Have a close friend with TWO brothers who have done this and it’s WAY cheaper than a wife. Best part is , neither the egg donor or the incubator can claim to be “the mother”. He calls all the shots and girlfriends / other lady friends have ZERO say in the matter. THEY decide how to best raise their kids. If his women gives him any lip or one iota of feminist bulls~~~, they are history and they know it, so he said they tend to play VERY nice when they don’t have a rope around your neck.

Plus it’s easier than most realize. Because women will allow themselves to get pregnant and have it JUST to keep a guy around. So a straight exchange for an upfront amount can be VERY appealing to a girl who could start building a nest egg. (so to speak).

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

You could donate to an artificial insemination clinic. Of course, then you miss out on the human interaction.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Have a kid don’t have a kid via a surrogate.  If a man is going his own way then f*** yeah!

But……….just remember, a surrogate may cost you around 25 – 50k, but raising a kid in the US averages about $250,000.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

@ SM,

I’ve heard that number before. I was a single dad for 13 years and I don’t think, if your conservative, you need spend anywhere near 250,000.00 to raise a child. I don’t count rent and food. You would need those anyway (kids don’t each much).

I think numbers like this are brought to us by folks who want to get paid for childcare like the same ones that brought us a 30% wage gap and 1 in 4 college women are raped.

You could take 3 months paternity leave then daycare at about 200-500 per month. Although daycare in NYC is from 3 months on, I personally would hire a full time nanny, but I could afford it.

I had full custody and a full time nanny and still had to pay 700.00 in child support so compare apples to apples my friends.

You can’t beat the peace of mind knowing your most beloved are safe and secure in your home. When you are married the children belong to her, plain and simple. This is one of the very central tenets of Feminist Theory.

Read the comments. Simple statements like: “I’m glad they won”, got 600 up votes and 600 down votes. Even in a clear cut case like this. Women will not concede custody under any circumstances. They stand shoulder to shoulder on this.

One woman even states in the comments: “Where is feminism when you need it”.

Women will never share custody of children. Never. Rare women may prefer it at that moment, but it is completely at her disposal as to how much your children will be allowed to love you.

And that, my friends, cost me 300,000.00 to learn.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[LucidLeoParticipant 65]

I do not want a woman and I certainly do not want to bring a kid into this sick world, it would be selfish of me and would be something the kid will likely hate me for. And I find it annoying that adopting a baby is never considered by MGTOW’s, all I hear is them talking about a surrogate kid. Being a single father of a surrogate kid is no different in reality than being a single mother (and oh how we hate single mothers). The end result is the same, you are raising a child by yourself, believing that you do not need a partner of the opposite sex to be in the process and I cannot agree. The world is over populated and bring another person into the world is insane. I do not need to bring a kid into this world to feel fulfilled as a man, same as I do not need to be in a relationship with a woman or have sex with her to feel like a man. I am my own outside of that

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

@lucidleo, i agree with not wanting to bring a child into this f~~~ed up world, which is why if i have a kid or adopt or whatever, it won’t be until i am financially independent of society so that i can move to the middle of no where and create my own little world there 😀

I’m not sure if i would go the route of surrogacy as i’m always worried about these increasingly feministic laws and judges…

My selfish side prefers surrogacy, and on the other, i wouldn’t mind adopting as i believe that most of the worlds / people’s problems come down to the environment. Else, why would every woman have daddy issues? 😛

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[Executor MaxwellParticipant 591]

A single mother expects cash and prizes for being a single mom as well as to be celebrated for being a strong independent woman on the dole, it’s all about her.

A single father has made a choice and fought for something that they know will be an expense to them, the child well being is more central here.

While the traditional 2 parent household may be regarded as more ideal it is largely defunct at this point, however the life disadvantages to a child coming from a single father household on average are much less severe than the life disadvantages on coming from a single mother household.

While some may go for adoption they are your kids about as much as as a single mother’s prior spawn are your children.

One the drivers boosting surrogacy at this point is also that single men and to a slightly lessor extent gay couples are often denied or placed as options of last resort at best, to always be monitored as a potentially unfit guardian. Lots of surrogacy stories from single men said they tried for adoption first but were denied because they were men. The gynocracy controls the adoption industry fairly thoroughly.

Surrogacy on the other hand allows you to become a farther even under the law. While s<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>urrogacy</span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> is</span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> more expensive it is legally less risky than adoption even if they somehow let you adopt. Of all the places to get it organized ironically enough California has a working legal framework and industry for this. India was a big place for it too but they recently banned </span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>single men and gay couples from it there so </span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>California</span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> got a small boost in the surrogacy tourism business.</span>

[TheFreeManMGTOWParticipant 119]

I did think about this route but I don’t give a damn about having kids. I have pets.

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