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What is going on over there? Crashes, accidents, etc.
A couple of us have discussed this, but what the heck is going on? What do our Navy Vets think?
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Anonymous7I read an article earlier about GPS spoofing.
Civilian ships falling for spoofing makes sense.Spoofing aside, the multiple collisions should not have happened.
I blame Bathhouse Berry for leaving the fleets (and all branches) in a state of disrepair.
More here on GPS Spoofing:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/us-warship-collisions-raise-cyberattack-fears/I read an article earlier about GPS spoofing.
Civilian ships falling for spoofing makes sense.Spoofing aside, the multiple collisions should not have happened.
I blame Bathhouse Berry for leaving the fleets (and all branches) in a state of disrepair.
More here on GPS Spoofing:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/us-warship-collisions-raise-cyberattack-fears/I had not heard of this, and it makes much more sense, or at least a better sense than what I was thinking.
Anonymous7I had not heard of this, and it makes much more sense, or at least a better sense than what I was thinking.
Yeah, eye opener for me.
Civilian ships falling for spoofing makes sense.
One would think that the military has safe guards against this. Perhaps not.Either way I blame Bathouse Berry for leaving the Fleets (and all branches) in a state of disrepair.
There are times when ships are not allowed to run Radar.
I haven’t researched it but it is almost certain that the ships were not running surface search radar. Nothing else makes sense.Time to use good old radar or a pair of sharp eyes on the deck and plenty of common sense…
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Despite getting out in ’87 and becoming an artilleryman, I’ve many old friends and other contacts still on active duty or still working for the Haze Gray Canoe Club after retirement in various capacities. I spoke with one who retired as an O6 (captain), had been recently working in the yards in Duluth on the LCS project, and was moving to an NavSea ASW support billet in Virginia.
His take? “Snowflake SWOs didn’t go to hackit school…”
(SWO stands for surface warfare officers, the people standing day-in-day-out watches on the bridge and CIC translating the CO’s/XO’s orders into actions.)
Training has been dumbed down and sped up to meet diversity targets. Not training just for whatever women and other types Congress felt are underrepresented, but training for everyone so more women and other types could get on the job faster.
Couple that with an uptempo operational schedule which has been going on for over a decade now and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
So you’ve got more people more poorly trained than in years’ past, more people who would have never qualified than in years’ past, more people getting less training than in years’ past, and all of them at sea trying to do the job for longer periods of time.
OJT doesn’t really work on the bridge of a warship.
DesRon 15, the squadron both DDGs were part of, is basically f~~~ed. Her commander and a big chunk of the staff will be reassigned, mark my words. This is on top of the Fat Leonard scandal already rocking the flag ranks in the 7th. Mattis, the new SecDef, is not going to put with this s~~~. He will come down on these people like the fist of an angry god and he will have Trump’s backing or whatever he does. After all, that’s why Trump chose Mattis in the first place.
Mattis has already much stopped the Obama era “sociological training” which ate of so much of the military’s precious training time and ordered a concentration on those things and only those things which are needed to do the job. Riflemen are going to learn how to use their weapons instead of being taught which pronouns mentally ill freaks want to be called.
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So what I’m gathering is feminism is a root cause of these mishaps. .
Absolutely correct OldBill, spot on target.
Too many Sailors are being fasttracked during their fleet duty and they then are being placed in operations area that they have no business being in.
Mathis has to be allowed to kick and take after this second incident. If not, he will resign and tear the door of the hinges on his away out of Washington.
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Anonymous7Despite getting out in ’87 and becoming an artilleryman, I’ve many old friends and other contacts still on active duty or still working for the Haze Gray Canoe Club after retirement in various capacities. I spoke with one who retired as an O6 (captain), had been recently working in the yards in Duluth on the LCS project, and was moving to an NavSea ASW support billet in Virginia.
His take? “Snowflake SWOs didn’t go to hackit school…”
(SWO stands for surface warfare officers, the people standing day-in-day-out watches on the bridge and CIC translating the CO’s/XO’s orders into actions.)
Training has been dumbed down and sped up to meet diversity targets. Not training just for whatever women and other types Congress felt are underrepresented, but training for everyone so more women and other types could get on the job faster.
Couple that with an uptempo operational schedule which has been going on for over a decade now and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
So you’ve got more people more poorly trained than in years’ past, more people who would have never qualified than in years’ past, more people getting less training than in years’ past, and all of them at sea trying to do the job for longer periods of time.
OJT doesn’t really work on the bridge of a warship.
DesRon 15, the squadron both DDGs were part of, is basically f~~~ed. Her commander and a big chunk of the staff will be reassigned, mark my words. This is on top of the Fat Leonard scandal already rocking the flag ranks in the 7th. Mattis, the new SecDef, is not going to put with this s~~~. He will come down on these people like the fist of an angry god and he will have Trump’s backing or whatever he does. After all, that’s why Trump chose Mattis in the first place.
Mattis has already much stopped the Obama era “sociological training” which ate of so much of the military’s precious training time and ordered a concentration on those things and only those things which are needed to do the job. Riflemen are going to learn how to use their weapons instead of being taught which pronouns mentally ill freaks want to be called.
Thx for the insight.
So what I’m gathering is feminism is a root cause of these mishaps. .
It’s really about incompetence in areas that the military can not afford to have less than 5star servicemen in.
Gender, race and religion are in play and all keep the force distracted and inefficient.
Don’t get me wrong, there are still great people in the military and DOD, but they cannot be everywhere at every moment.
Folks are staying in the military far beyond their prime and in positions that they are incapable of staffing properly.
This fact will ensure that aircraft needlessly crash, ships are in avoidable accidents, friendly fire occurres, and a host of other unnecessary incidents.
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Thanks for all the insight. .
Really informative.
I don’t know much about the inner workings of the military.
I have great respect for all who serve/served.
God bless all of our veterans.
These mishaps will hopefully cause some positive changes!Remember all those electronics used in U.S. military equipment that the U.S. Congress allowed to be produced in China.
It is not hard to figure out what is going on.
So what I’m gathering is feminism is a root cause of these mishaps. .
Sort of.
Feminism opened the door, but the childish need to see immediate results has substantially weakened the training pipeline.
The fact that you opened SWO billets to women Monday didn’t mean there would be women standing watch as SWOs Tuesday. It takes time to train people correctly but the usual morons in Congress and elsewhere didn’t want to hear that. Good and effective training also means people are going to wash out, but the morons in Congress and elsewhere didn’t want to hear that either.
It was if they’d mandated that previously closed medical schools should now accept women candidates and expected women doctors to begin graduating the following week.
This isn’t the first time something like this has happened, the Navy isn’t the first service it’s happened in, and women aren’t always involved. Case in point.
I was a naval nuclear propulsion specialist. Between school and prototype training the wash out rate was above 75%. After prototype I was assigned to a ship while a friend of mine stayed behind as an instructor. Two years later, after his instructor tour was over, he was assigned to the same ship. He came aboard with a bunch of newly graduate “nukes” some of which were the worst potential operators our senior personnel had ever seen. Some were so bad that they never qualified and were “s~~~ canned” out of the “nuke” rates.
This happened during the Reagan era’s fleet build up and the Navy was starving for qualified personnel. Accordingly, word went out to get as many warm bodies as possible “out to the fleet” and let the ships separate the good from the bad. None of that was put in writing, naturally, but it was an order nonetheless.
I remember sitting with my friend and a senior “nuke” enlisted man going over tests most of the new guys had failed and failed horribly. We were all shaking our heads.
“Jeez, Steve,” I asked. “WTF is going on there back at prototype? These idiots never should have even qualified let alone been sent to the fleet.”
“Protoype isn’t a filter anymore, Bill.” Steve answered. “They’ve turned prototype into a pump.”
SWO training isn’t a filter anymore either. It’s been turned into a pump.
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Thanks Bill and with no offense at all intended I guess that’s why they coined the oxymoron “military intelligence”.
With that being said it is one of my few regrets that I did not join. it just didn’t look very appealing as a child as I watched our troops being pulled out of Vietnam.Thanks Bill and with no offense at all intended I guess that’s why they coined the oxymoron “military intelligence”.
I saw plenty of “military intelligence” during my time in the service. That being said, switching training from being a filter to a pump is a decision imposed on the military by it’s civilian masters.
With that being said it is one of my few regrets…
There’s nothing for you to regret. Every man makes his own decision because every man must walk his own path.
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Thanks Bill.
Much appreciated!I had a similar conversation with a friend the other day… you can not blame on the military decisions that are made at the civilian leadership level.
‘The military is violent’ and ‘the military is a waste’ he went on for a while as I sat and listened.
“Well who do you think it is that tells the military where to go and what to do and who to shoot? You think THEY decide that? No, it’s congress and the President… civilians elected by US to represent OUR DESIRES. You want to point at the military and say they’re aggressive or they’re wasting money or they just like to play at war… well turn that finger back on yourself because it’s you and me who suit them up and ship them out.”
That shut him up pretty quickly.
Confused about these ship accidents. These destroyers have radar, in fact they have radar that makes merchant ship radar look like tinkertoy’s. Don’t they have people watching the f~~~ing radar for, oh I don’t know, a ship the size of a 10 story building floating nearby.
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Chir, yes about the radar.
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Training has been dumbed down and sped up to meet diversity targets.
Retired Navy BMCS(SW) here. I wouldn’t be surprised if diversity targets were a contributing factor. This is the kind of result you get when the focus shifts from the mission to things like integrating transgendered. The Straights of Malacca are one of the busiest waters in the world, yet somehow we always managed to avoid running into anything. In 14 years of sea duty I never witnessed a collision at sea.
It clearly speaks to training deficiencies in the SWO (Surface Warfare Officer) community. The SWO pipeline was pretty gruelling in my day, and getting your pin was a big deal. Maybe that’s not the case anymore. And you can’t blame electronics. There are guys topside with binoculars called “Lookouts”. They were likely reporting to the bridge, “Yep, that ship is getting pretty close.” Besides, there are windows on the bridge.
Hold the COs accountable, then fix the problem. Less sexual harassment training and more shiphandling appears to be in order.
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