Unfair and Unequal

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Life doesn’t start out fair and equal for children.

One child may have parents that live in a Beverly Hills mansion, and another child may grow up in a tent in Sudan.

One child goes to some of the finest private schools in the nation, while another one has a few years of elementary schooling.

Children born into poverty aren’t always doomed to remain poor, but they have to work extra hard to improve their standard of living. They have to make the most of whatever resources they have in their environment. Sometimes they skip high school and go strait to work. If they don’t work or beg for money, they probably won’t eat. And if they can’t find an inexpensive way to get a basic education (reading, writing, arithmetic), they’ll be denied certain jobs.

Life can eventually get better for some that are born into extreme poverty. It may, however, take decades longer than someone who grew up in a middle-class or wealthy household.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

If we look at India, the population is getting close to 1.5 Billion, yet poor people are still continuing to have kids. There were approximately 27K+ deaths in rail-related incidents in 2014 alone. I guess even this does not convince poor people to stop having kid after kid after kid. You would think an ordinary human being would realise that having a kid in such an impoverish state would be a cruel thing to do for the kid and the community around them, but no, it is not the case. The average human mind is so compelled to breed and perpetuate their own genes.

Wherever there is the elite (ultra rich), there will ALWAYS be the ultra poor. When the rich get richer, the poor will get poorer.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

I just had this thought as I was reading about the New Gestapo arresting German citizens for criticizing Islam: thank God I was born to a middle class family in America. I did nothing to deserve it. Thanks for the thoughts!

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

When the rich get richer, the poor will get poorer.

And most of the rich have 1 or 2 children when they can afford to have 20. I always found that to be ironic.

I think family & cultural traditions are very important to some people. They will have kids under any circumstances. From my point of view, that would be a major inconvenience to me if I didn’t have a job or access to the resources I need to survive. Learning job skills and getting educational certificates/diplomas are WAY MORE important to me than having children. If I didn’t grow up in the USA, I might have a different point of view.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[SmeeParticipant 228]

You need to understand why poorer people have more kids, and it isn’t because of ignorance, boredom or anything else like that.

Better of people can buld a pension to look after themselves in later life.

Poorer people cannot, they are in an effective poverty trap.
Harder to get out of poverty, than make money if you are rich.

In lieu of a pension, poorer people generically have more children, so that there is a higher possibility that enough of the children survive to provide for their future care.

It really is that simple.

Smee Again

[AttonParticipant]

Some will ride the winds to unimaginable heights and grasp what they are destined for. Others simply will not and refuse to do so.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[BoarParticipant]

Unfair and unequal? That is life. I prefer to not judge on where people start and end, but what they do in between.

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It took a while, and I’m not solid on this yet, but “life’s not fair” seems to be a good thing, because sometimes you can make that unfairness work for you. If one gets a bum deal more often, one can also flip it around once or twice.

Rhianna didn’t even finish high-school.
Kesha is an auto-tune pop star.
Luciano Pavarotti couldn’t even read music.
A cell phone salesman won American Idol.

.. but I know a handful of classically-trained musicians (and people like that) who studied constantly, are trained “purists” since childhood, legitimate artists, and they got turned away from countless auditions never really realizing their dreams.

Which is better?

Unfair and unequal?
Or “everyone is special” . . . which is just another way of saying NOBODY is.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

You have no say in your beginning.

It is not where you start out that matters but rather where you end up.

You have a say in your ending.

The distance is only relative to your life.

Therefore, the only thing you control is the distance you travel in your time.

Peace brothers

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22522]

FunInTheSun, your argument is flawed. You argue that people born in the lower classes should not become violent and try to work within the system they are born in to improve their lives.

But when the system is designed to keep the people of the low class poor and be made to suffer with no reasonable chance of improvement, rebellion is a natural reaction to such an unjust system.

Even walking away is an act of rebellion by not support or feeding the corrupt beast of the system.

In this way, MGTOWs are rebels.

Better systems can be created from rebellion. Such as the Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Keymaster wrote:

Rhianna didn’t even finish high-school.
Kesha is an auto-tune pop star.
Luciano Pavarotti couldn’t even read music.
A cell phone salesman won American Idol.

Here’s my addition to this list:

I recently read the book, The Pursuit of Happyness. Chris Gardner had a horrible childhood and made several dumb mistakes during his life. However, he gained some wisdom from the school of hard knocks and worked his way up to a better life as a stockbroker.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

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