UK Govt complicity in extremism comes full circle

[Y_Participant 4591]

UK Govt complicity in extremism comes full circle
John Wright for RT International
Published time: 26 May, 2017 10:42

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With another terrorist atrocity erupting in a European city – this time Manchester in the UK – the extent of Britain’s role in the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya and its connection to the awful carnage that has just ensued could not be more damning.

NATO’s intervention in Libya from March to October 2011, culminating in the savage murder of the country’s leader, Muammar Gaddafi, by an armed mob, turned a functioning state, considered a highly developed country by the UN Development Program in 2010, into a failed state governed six years on by three competing authorities.

Today, Libya is rife with armed militias where chaos is the new normal, evidenced in a refugee crisis that has seen countless men, women, and children perish while making a forlorn and desperate attempt to flee the country across the Mediterranean in ramshackle boats and barely seaworthy craft. It is a country in which ISIS and other Salafi-jihadi groups now have a significant presence.

Contrary to the claims made by the British, French and US governments at the time, the uprising in Libya, which began in the country’s eastern city of Benghazi in February 2011, was not spearheaded by Jeffersonian democrats whose objective was the establishment of a liberal democracy in the country, but instead Islamists intent on instituting a caliphate on foundations of religious extremism, sectarianism, and intolerance.

Drawing on the analysis of two French think tanks, John Rosenthal reveals in a June 2011 article how “jihadists have played a predominant role in the eastern-Libyan rebellion against the rule of Muammar Qaddafi, and that ‘true democrats’ represent only a minority in the rebellion.

The report, furthermore, calls into question the justifications given for Western military intervention in Libya, arguing that they are largely based on media exaggerations and outright disinformation.”

NATO’s air campaign to topple Gaddafi, using UN Security Council Resolution 1973 as justification for regime change, has guaranteed the Western military alliance a cold place in history, exposing its self-appointed mission as a guardian of democracy and human rights across the world as a sham.

In Libya between March and October of 2011, NATO operated as a de facto air force for Al-Qaeda and in the last analysis ISIS, the groups that benefited most from Gaddafi’s overthrow.

Even more damning, in the wake of the Manchester terrorist attack, are new revelations exposing the existence of a nefarious relationship between Britain’s security services and anti-Gaddafi militants of Islamist persuasion living in the UK, who were allowed to travel from the UK to Libya to join their cohorts in the campaign to topple the government in 2011.

Among those militants was Ramadan Abedi, father of Salman Abedi, the perpetrator of the aforesaid Manchester terrorist atrocity, which killed 22 and injured 159, many of them children, at a pop concert in the city.

Abedi Snr is known to have been a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), an Al-Qaeda affiliate committed to Gaddafi’s overthrow. It is revealed that Abedi Snr lived in the UK for some years before returning to Libya to take part in the 2011 uprising. His son, Salman, was born in the UK in the 1990s and is known have visited Libya just before returning to the UK to carry out his suicide attack.

Both Abedi Snr and Salman’s younger brother, Hashem, have been arrested in Tripoli in connection with the Manchester atrocity, with the latter reportedly admitting that he had foreknowledge of his brother’s plan to carry out the suicide attack in the UK. It is also alleged that Hashem has links to ISIS.

At the time of the alleged ‘open door’ policy of the British government, allowing Libyan exiles living in the UK, some with connections to Islamist groups, to travel to Libya to take part in the uprising against Gaddafi, the UK’s current Prime Minister Theresa May was the country’s home secretary.

This means she was responsible for the country’s internal security, including counter-terrorism and immigration, thus raising the question of whether she knew of the open door policy vis-à-vis Libya and was the one who authorized it?

The wider issue is the complicity of the British establishment in advancing the objectives of Islamist extremism in Libya, however wittingly or unwittingly, and with it the terrorist attacks that have emanated from the North African country since 2011. In 2015, it should be recalled, an ISIS-inspired gunman who’d received military training in Libya murdered 38 tourists as they lay sunbathing on a Tunisian beach.

Thirty of his victims were British citizens. It was an act of mass murder, which along with the recent act of mass murder in Manchester, stands as a withering indictment of UK foreign policy and London’s role in the destruction of Libya in 2011.

Under Gaddafi there was no ISIS in Libya and no Salafi-jihadi terrorist networks planning and preparing terrorist attacks against British citizens. On the contrary, Gaddafi was an unflinching enemy of Islamic extremism, which is why groups such as the LIFG and the Muslim Brotherhood were committed to his overthrow, which would not have been possible without NATO’s military intervention.

As the full extent of the perfidy and mendacity of UK foreign policy comes to light over the part it has played in facilitating the rise of Islamist extremism and terrorism in Libya; there is only one conclusion to be drawn:

“…………………………………….We have met the enemy, and he is us……………………………….”

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Islamic State has called on its followers to rise up in an “all-out war” on “infidels” in the West. Saturday marks the start of a 30-day period of fasting and reflection in the Islamic world, which has in recent years seen a large increase in terror attacks.

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Citation
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/389810-uk-clibya-islamist-manchester/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/manchester-arena-bombing-salman-abedi-latest-updates/

[GrumpyParticipant]

It never ceases to astound me that the supposed political and intellectual “elites” who apparently can view and discern the “big picture”, consistently fail to see the ramifications of their idiotic tampering and tinkering with the affairs of other nations.

Libya has its share of problems, same as every other country in the world. Gaddafi did what was needed in his country to keep it under control, relatively civil and safe, and sovereign. A select few didn’t like his way of doing s~~~, despite it actually working, so they instigated a civil war and caused upheaval not only in Libya but around the world.
Yet they still have not learned a simple lesson and continue promote instability across the board, including in their homelands. Naturally the ravens will roost where they can, sometimes killing the weaker birds to do so.

I’m just a dumb f~~~ former soldier yet even I know, understand, and can predict that if you go into the playground and s~~~ in someones sandbox (even if you hide the evidence) sooner or later that s~~~ will find its way home to you along with a dose of anger.
How they hell is it that the creme de la crop of humanity doesn’t get it?

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Anonymous 25]

I want to see a full independent public inquiry in to what extent UK and UN policies on “end violence against women and girls” have been used to justify wars in other countries in an attempt to smash the ‘Patriarchy’ and ‘re-educate’ asian men. They are certainly doing it to men of all races in the UK with their corrupt Dulith model and domestic violence inquisitions and programmes. Feminists do seem like religious zealots on a crusade

terrorism is wrong. it’s not the solution. calling out the truth, asking tough questions and holding people accountable is the solution

it’s time to stop both these crazy ideologies spreading

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Good post but I HATE those pictures of morons holding vigils and candles and flowers etc etc. IT is soooo f~~~ing absurd and infuriating.

Lets break this down, these people:

Open the borders to let in these terrorists, then provide food, shelter and protection, then refuse to deal with or even name the issue terrorism BUT they get all warm an fuzzy for vigils.

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

Gadaffi was no saint but he died from being anally raped with a bayonet.

Nobody deserves a death like that.

[Y_Participant 4591]

MonkeyMind wrote:

Gadaffi was no saint but he died from being anally raped with a bayonet.

The Western MSM painted Gadaffi as a monster and a tyrant.
He did not start any wars, he kept his people safe and he killed terrorists and extremists. He wanted to start a gold backed monetary system that would replace the US dollar in the MidEast.

These were also his crimes.

The true story of his life and betrayal by the people who start these wars is on the internet. Perhaps I will post it one day.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

The writer of the article is conflating 2 separate issues, and he is leaving A LOT out.

1. Has the west’s constant monkeying around in the Middle East helped fester, and even cause a lot of these problems? Absolutely.
UK and the US specifically have a long track record of supporting very bad people, only because they oppose a very bad leader that we oppose. It needs to stop, and I support his effort to shine a light on it.

2. Gadaffi was good, and kept Islamic terrorists in check? Wrong! Just pure ignorance.
I won’t go to all the trouble of listing all of the terrorist activities he sponsored and took credit for, including multiple commercial airplane bombings, nightclub bombings, assassinations, torture and executions of political dissidents and opponents to his blood thirsty regime. (Feel free to google it. It is all there in spades.)
He kept extreme Islam in check in Libya only because he recognized the threat it posed to his rule, and his life.
He supported extreme Islamic terrorist’s outside of his country, especially in Africa where he helped sponsor them in numerous terrorist attacks and provided them arms and training.

Don’t let a smiling photo op with Nelson Mandela fool you. The man was a blood thirsty murderer and terrorist. He was a mad dog who grew weak in his old age, and was taken out by younger mad dogs (That the west had no business supporting). That is the way it is in that part of the world.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

2. Gadaffi was good, and kept Islamic terrorists in check? Wrong! Just pure ignorance.
I won’t go to all the trouble of listing all of the terrorist activities he sponsored and took credit for, including multiple commercial airplane bombings, nightclub bombings, assassinations, torture and executions of political dissidents and opponents to his blood thirsty regime. (Feel free to google it. It is all there in spades

Where did you get the information from?
Googled it from -the western MSM? The CIA’s press? Of course.

And in Washington’s eyes everyone he supported was a ‘terrorist’. Do you know who he really supported and why?

You have been lied to and lied to.

Like Russia now. And Syria and Iraq’s chemical weapons.
Now even your own president is a traitor.
You believe that too? You can Google it.

At the end no one really knows what Gadaffi did. He was not the monster your MSM and government made him out to be.
He had many flaws like all leaders. I do not judge him for his views – only what he really did. And he did a lot the Deep State had him executed for.

In the middle east if you go for political office people are always trying to kill you. In his case it was mostly sponsored by the CIA. It is kill or be killed over there. So understand the problem. Politics is also about death as well.

Get a good article on this man from a REAL journalist.
There are a few out there.
If you really want to know the truth.
They tell a very different story from that the western world is always told by the MSM and the CIA.

And stop believing in your MSM.

[Anonymous 14]

Grumpy wrote:

It never ceases to astound me that the supposed political and intellectual “elites” who apparently can view and discern the “big picture”, consistently fail to see the ramifications of their idiotic tampering and tinkering with the affairs of other nations.

Yea, most never take into account big picture and blowback. I have been saying for years blowback will be on the rise from the destabilization of Libya. I don’t like being right when it comes to violence, but I suspect more and more will be on the way as Gaddafi brought relative peace to a very unstable region. Then the U.S. backed the crazies, as they always do, to get what they want. And what the U.S. wants seems to really be what Israel wants when it comes to the Mid East. U.S. lost it’s Sovereignty long ago and has become nothing more than a puppet war machine state of Israel as far as I can tell.

Wish I could buy you a beer for the post above me Yumbo.

Too many are trying to judge a case with only the Prosecution giving evidence all the time apparently…

Also, even if we were to concede everything Pedal says… Would that still mean it was a good idea to de-stabilize Libya? lol The answer is NO. It did not make things better, it made things WORSE. It did however free up fighters for the next country on the hit list; Syria. This is so obvious that I think that making things worse is the plan. Also, there is no way they did not know that terrorism in the West would rise because of this as well.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Y_ wrote:

Where did you get the information from?
Googled it from -the western MSM? The CIA’s press? Of course.

You under stand he took credit for the terrorist acts right? The bombings of airlines full of civilians, nightclubs etc. You realize the people of Libya danced in the streets and welcomed the terrorists home like they were rock stars?
the money was traced back to him, he paid sanctions and reparations to the victims families and never once denied doing it.

There is no point in this. You and Joe have set it up where only you 2 are the arbiters of facts. All known information is rejected for obscure, unsubstantiated theories and propaganda.
No point at all.

[Anonymous 14]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

Yumbo wrote:

Where did you get the information from?
Googled it from -the western MSM? The CIA’s press? Of course.

You under stand he took credit for the terrorist acts right? The bombings of airlines full of civilians, nightclubs etc. You realize the people of Libya danced in the streets and welcomed the terrorists home like they were rock stars?
the money was traced back to him, he paid sanctions and reparations to the victims families and never once denied doing it.

There is no point in this. You and Joe have set it up where only you 2 are the arbiters of facts. All known information is rejected for obscure, unsubstantiated theories and propaganda.
No point at all.

Dude, we can play the game of who caused what Terrorism all day long and we can go waaaaaaaay back into the past, even to the origins of Israel. Now, the question is, do we want to argue all sponsored Terrorism? U.S./Israel/Saudi Arabia would hands down come out on top of this argument. Do we need to have that argument?

Or would you rather argue what is best in the mess as I would. If we are going to talk what is best in this mess, what was done to Libya was not a good idea big picture wise, unless the big picture is to create MORE terrorism. So if that is what you are in favor of state it as being so.

[Anonymous 42]

ISIS has Made in the USA stamped on both them and their weapons. Hmmmm… Mujuhadeen from Afghanistan after the Soviet union invaded is where it all started. Attention shifted from South East Asia to the middle east where it’s been ever since.

The lesson for the elites here is to be careful of the wild animals you decide to feed, they grow and eventually eat the hand that feeds it!

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

Yumbo wrote:

Where did you get the information from?
Googled it from -the western MSM? The CIA’s press? Of course.

You under stand he took credit for the terrorist acts right? The bombings of airlines full of civilians, nightclubs etc. You realize the people of Libya danced in the streets and welcomed the terrorists home like they were rock stars?
the money was traced back to him, he paid sanctions and reparations to the victims families and never once denied doing it.

There is no point in this. You and Joe have set it up where only you 2 are the arbiters of facts. All known information is rejected for obscure, unsubstantiated theories and propaganda.
No point at all.

Dude, we can play the game of who caused what Terrorism all day long and we can go waaaaaaaay back into the past, even to the origins of Israel. Now, the question is, do we want to argue all sponsored Terrorism? U.S./Israel/Saudi Arabia would hands down come out on top of this argument. Do we need to have that argument?

Or would you rather argue what is best in the mess as I would. If we are going to talk what is best in this mess, what was done to Libya was not a good idea big picture wise, unless the big picture is to create MORE terrorism. So if that is what you are in favor of state it as being so.

I already addressed that in my first post. Sorry if that doesn’t jibe with whatever position you have already invented for me in your head, as you are prone to do.

I said we wouldn’t have monkeyed around in picking sides between bad guys, and we should stop doing it now and in the future, and the author was right about that.

But the claims that gadaffi was some peace loving, benevolent saint is bulls~~~, and the author was wrong on everything concerning that. read my post for more detail. I know it isn’t as interesting as what you are imagining, but it is actually what I said.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

ISIS has Made in the USA stamped on both them and their weapons. Hmmmm… Mujuhadeen from Afghanistan after the Soviet union invaded is where it all started. Attention shifted from South East Asia to the middle east where it’s been ever since.

The lesson for the elites here is to be careful of the wild animals you decide to feed, they grow and eventually eat the hand that feeds it!

I totally agree. Had it been Bush, Reagan or Trump we would be hearing about it non stop, but since it was Hillary and Obama that created it, nothing.

[Anonymous 14]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

But the claims that gadaffi was some peace loving, benevolent saint is bulls~~~, and the author was wrong on everything concerning that. read my post for more detail. I know it isn’t as interesting as what you are imagining, but it is actually what I said.

Nobody claimed that, not here anyhow. For a guy quick to call out Strawman, you sure are fast at creating them. I think you are just too used to not hearing the other side of the story, so when it is not outright demonization it comes across like that to you. Gaddafi did a whole lot of good things for Libya. Study up for a few nights on it.

Fact of the matter is he suppressed much of the radical element in his country, and the U.S. just set it loose.

[Anonymous 14]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍo┴ wrote:

ISIS has Made in the USA stamped on both them and their weapons. Hmmmm… Mujuhadeen from Afghanistan after the Soviet union invaded is where it all started. Attention shifted from South East Asia to the middle east where it’s been ever since.

The lesson for the elites here is to be careful of the wild animals you decide to feed, they grow and eventually eat the hand that feeds it!

I totally agree. Had it been Bush, Reagan or Trump we would be hearing about it non stop, but since it was Hillary and Obama that created it, nothing.

In regards to what happened under Obama, yes, I agree with that as well. Leftist/Jewish influence is STRONG in the media. So when it was their boy in office doing what THEY wanted, they stayed quiet…Trump does the same stuff? Don’t matter if he is going along with the plans, he will be demonized at every turn, because it is GLOBALIST agenda that is being pushed at every turn, they do not want Right Wingers to do well. If anything all MSM were complicit in directing American’s attention in other directions, giving them things to be angry about instead of paying attention to what was going on. So, CIA operations? I don’t know, but I do know they sure don’t call the CIA and American Foreign policy out for jack s~~~. So either way, it’s all worthless media, zero journalism.

If you are going to gather information/news the very least you can do is gather it from various sources from around the world THEN make your decisions. I don’t know about you but I grew up with Western news my whole life, I know what they are going to tell me, and now even more importantly, what the will not tell me. The last 10 years or so I have decided to pay attention to what others from around the world are saying so that I can form a more well rounded opinion of things.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

But the claims that gadaffi was some peace loving, benevolent saint is bulls~~~, and the author was wrong on everything concerning that. read my post for more detail. I know it isn’t as interesting as what you are imagining, but it is actually what I said.

Read what I said – carefully.
Then go do some real research mate.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Anonymous wrote:

Wish I could buy you a beer for the post above me Yumbo.

Too many are trying to judge a case with only the Prosecution giving evidence all the time apparently…

Also, even if we were to concede everything Pedal says… Would that still mean it was a good idea to de-stabilize Libya? lol The answer is NO. It did not make things better, it made things WORSE. It did however free up fighters for the next country on the hit list; Syria. This is so obvious that I think that making things worse is the plan. Also, there is no way they did not know that terrorism in the West would rise because of this as well.

You and me both mate. Cheers. I see what you told me some time ago about posting. My time may be almost up as well.

Anonymous wrote:

If you are going to gather information/news the very least you can do is gather it from various sources from around the world THEN make your decisions..

This is exactly what I mean. Thank you.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

ou and Joe have set it up where only you 2 are the arbiters of facts. All known information is rejected for obscure, unsubstantiated theories and propaganda.

You want to take me on – fine. Anytime. Anywhere.

Leave Joe and anyone else out of this.

A real discussion with facts and figures I can do that not a problem.
I challenge your facts – your views are your own.

Again the very least I would expect is some respect for men on these forums.

Thank you

[AttonParticipant]

Sounds like Libya needs a new leader.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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