TRUMP :-)

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Only the history will sort this out. I personally think Trump will never be allowed to be a president. He’s either get cheated out of nomination, out of general election, or he’ll get elected and get whacked by some BLM patsy, succeeded by some establishment VP

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[BeerParticipant 11832]

ANyone willing to call bulls~~~ on bad trade agreements is a winner in my book.

Don’t forget willing to actually take steps to make it so this country isn’t a paradise for illegal immigrants.

bob__ wrote:

It protects the people already at the top from losing to competition. It prevents people at the bottom from moving up. That’s what’s bad about it.

Historically capitalism has allowed for far more class mobility than any other system. I know a guy who moved here about 10 years ago along with his dirt poor family from Haiti while he was in high school. He’s graduating college soon, the first ever in his family, and will be making 70k+ a year starting off in a nursing career. How the f~~~ is that not upward mobility? In a single generation his family went from dirt poor uneducated Haitians who barely spoke English to him having him being a college graduate making more than both of his parents combined.

Yeah its hard as f~~~ to go from poor to multi billionaire if that is what you want to consider upward mobility…but those people are the .0001%. You’d have a statistically higher probability of being an A-list actor, signing a professional sports contract, or getting hit by lightning than being a multi billionaire. Going from poor to middle class or middle class to top 10% isn’t exactly unheard of, and realistically if you are middle class in America your income and standard of living is still insanely high when you compare it to others on a global level.

bob__ wrote:

You can’t say you believe in free markets if you also believe in protectionism. Feudalism, mercantilism, now protectionism. Same bulls~~~.

You can’t say you believe in free markets with the extent our government is involved in the economy right now either. You can’t say you believe in free markets when these free trade agreements seem to be heavily lopsided and we are the idiots with higher taxes and more rules and regulations than everyone else.

I’m not an economics expert but it doesn’t exactly take one to understand how we’ve gained almost nothing from these deals and we’ve shipped a ton of decent wage middle class jobs over seas just so companies could pay their workers 1/4 as much as they’d pay here, then they turn around and import their s~~~ and sell it at the same prices they always have. I’m not a f~~~ business kind of guy, but unless people are going to be willing to work for 3 dollars an hour, we have to do something with these free trade agreements.

Ross Perot had it figured out in 1992. Its kind of sad people like you can’t figure it out even after you’ve had 24 more years to watch it action than Ross Perot had when he figured it out.

[bob__Participant 946]

I’m not an economics expert but it doesn’t exactly take one to understand how we’ve gained almost nothing from these deals and we’ve shipped a ton of decent wage middle class jobs over seas just so companies could pay their workers 1/4 as much as they’d pay here, then they turn around and import their s~~~ and sell it at the same prices they always have.

Jobs are not assets. The stuff produced by jobs are the assets! The jobs are merely the cost of producing those assets. If you can produce the same assets for less cost, what’s wrong with that? Are you going to complain when robots do every “job”? That would be a paradise because it means you can do whatever the f~~~ you want.

“Creating jobs” means making people do more work to produce the same output! Why the f~~~ would you want to do that? You can create all the jobs you want by making half dig ditches and making the other half fill them back in. That’s what Keynes actually suggested as a way to create jobs. All you’ve done is create a bunch of USELESS BUSY WORK THAT ADDS NO VALUE. Keynesian economics (a.k.a. “capitalism”) is a total failure. Most “jobs” today are no more productive than Keynesian ditch digging and filling!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Russky wrote:

Only the history will sort this out. I personally think Trump will never be allowed to be a president. He’s either get cheated out of nomination, out of general election, or he’ll get elected and get whacked by some BLM patsy, succeeded by some establishment VP

Oh yeah…I’ve been telling people this for months. Both parties hate him. If he gets in office and its not business as usual, it would only be a matter of time before he’d commit suicide with a gunshot to the back of his hand or get shot by a magic bullet from a grassy knoll or something. There is too much corruption and money at stake for anyone to actually fix whats wrong…the behind the scenes powers will never let it happen.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

bob__ wrote:

Jobs are not assets. The stuff produced by jobs are the assets! The jobs are merely the cost of producing those assets. If you can produce the same assets for less cost, what’s wrong with that?

Honestly nothing. What my problem is, is the consumer isn’t seeing any of these savings. When Ford opens its plant in Mexico its not going to make Ford cars any cheaper for Americans. If free trade agreements lead to stagnant wages but lowered our cost of living while maintaining our standard of living, they’d be amazing, but they don’t. They have contributed to loss of middle class jobs and stagnant wages while our standard of living declines and our cost of living increases.

bob__ wrote:

Are you going to complain when robots do every “job”? That would be a paradise because it means you can do whatever the f~~~ you want.

Actually…I would. If we end up with 20% employment because most jobs get replaced by robots, I’d be pretty p~~~ed if I ended up as one of those 20% having to support the other 80%. That’s even worse than being one of the 50% now who has to support the other 50%. I can do whatever the f~~~ I want now…having more people ride my back wouldn’t make my life any easier, and no matter how good robots get, they’ll never replace 100% of the work force.

[bob__Participant 946]

Actually…I would. If we end up with 20% employment because most jobs get replaced by robots, I’d be pretty p~~~ed if I ended up as one of those 20% having to support the other 80%. That’s even worse than being one of the 50% now who has to support the other 50%.

No. You would only work 20% of the time that you do now.

And Ross Perot made his fortune computerizing Medicare records and overcharging the government for it. He could charge as much as he wants because the government only spends Other People’s Money! He’s a lot like Trump!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

bob__ wrote:

No. You would only work 20% of the time that you do now.

Lol…its not going to work like that. The local McDonald’s is going to lay off 3/4 of its staff and replace them with a robot that flips burgers and makes fries and my job and my hours would remain completely unchanged. Its not like we’d all magically get 80% less hours for the same pay…some jobs are going to go completely away, and others will remain completely unchanged.

My job requires a post secondary education, over a year of on the job training before I’m an asset to the company, and continuous training and testing to legally be allowed to perform my job functions under federal law. I’m not going to get replaced by a robot, and my employer isn’t going hire 4 more people and pay them all what I’m getting paid just so we can all work 8 hours a week instead of 40+.

[bob__Participant 946]

My job requires a post secondary education, over a year of on the job training before I’m an asset to the company, and continuous training and testing to legally be allowed to perform my job functions under federal law. I’m not going to get replaced by a robot

Ok, so your solution to protecting your job is to make people get permission from the government first if they want to compete with you? Sounds a lot like protectionism. Hey I just thought of the perfect way to stop Mcdonald’s from replacing minimum wage positions with robots. Vote for Trump and he’ll make it illegal to do that! Just get the government even more involved in the economy than it is now. That will fix the economy! Protectionists are COMMUNISTS. Trump is a communist!

So vote for Trump. In the mean time I’ll work on building my robot that does housework for me and takes care of my garden and my bedroom needs.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

bob__ wrote:

Ok, so your solution to protecting your job is to make people get permission from the government first if they want to compete with you? Sounds a lot like protectionism. Hey I just thought of the perfect way to stop Mcdonald’s from replacing minimum wage positions with robots. Vote for Trump and he’ll make it illegal to do that! Just get the government even more involved in the economy than it is now. That will fix the economy!

I don’t have a clue what you are talking about. I’m not worried about the government giving people permission to compete with me for my job since it can’t be outsourced and I can’t be replaced by an uneducated illegal immigrant…the reason my job is federally regulated is because we deal with nuclear materials and f~~~ing up could have catastrophic results…it has nothing to do with competition, its about keeping the public safe.

And uh…what does protectionism have to do with robots? Trump isn’t claiming he can stop technology from advancing, he’s saying free trade agreements are obviously not working out in our favor.

If you want to troll at least be entertaining and not just a moron.

[bob__Participant 946]

What right does Trump have to tell me I can’t build a factory in Mexico? Why are you entitled to higher pay than a Mexican? EXPLAIN THAT ONE TO ME!

How are you being made worse off by me building a factory in Mexico? Because I didn’t build one in the United States? Well you have no right to force me to do that. You can make it illegal for me to build a factory in Mexico, but then I just won’t build any factory at all. I will just GO GALT!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

bob__ wrote:

What right does Trump have to tell me I can’t build a factory in Mexico? Why are you entitled to higher pay than a Mexican? EXPLAIN THAT ONE TO ME!

He’s not telling you you can’t build a factory in Mexico, he’s saying if companies want to close up shop in the United States and open up in Mexico, that is totally fine and totally legal, just expect to pay higher import taxes than they currently pay.

And what entitles me to earn more than a Mexican? Minimum wage laws at this point. Ford doesn’t even pay their Mexican workers the equivalent of minimum wage in the US.

The intent of trade deals like NAFTA was to increase wages and standard of living in poorer countries. It has done the opposite…their situation hasn’t improved much, and we are now faced with stagnant wages and a decreased standard of living. They are failed policies…why do you want to keep failed policies in place as they currently are rather than try to improve them?

[bob__Participant 946]

The intent of trade deals like NAFTA was to increase wages and standard of living in poorer countries. It has done the opposite…their situation hasn’t improved much, and we are now faced with stagnant wages and a decreased standard of living. They are failed policies…why do you want to keep failed policies in place as they currently are rather than try to improve them?

People in those poorer countries don’t waste their money on useless s~~~ like ipads and designer clothes that Americans feel entitled to just because they’re Americans. Americans are living an unsustainable lifestyle beyond their means. And it’s about to collapse.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

At least with Trump if you don’t like his policies just wait a week, they’ll change. Possibly more than once.

Frank V.

[bob__Participant 946]

At least with Trump if you don’t like his policies just wait a week, they’ll change. Possibly more than once.

He won’t be able to carry out any of his “policies” anyway. The “President” is not an Emperor but just a puppet. A figurehead like the Queen of the U.K.!

[bob__Participant 946]

The intent of trade deals like NAFTA was to increase wages and standard of living in poorer countries. It has done the opposite…their situation hasn’t improved much, and we are now faced with stagnant wages and a decreased standard of living. They are failed policies…why do you want to keep failed policies in place as they currently are rather than try to improve them?

And you think changing the laws will force companies to increase wages? What happens if they just shut down their factories?

[Honorable_Juice_BoxParticipant 591]

I support both Trump and Milo if for no other reason than that they s~~~ all over political correctness.

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