Trump on ufo's

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3791]

Maybe more tests of scramjet-powered aircrafts.

Even though NASA stopped many years ago. The X43A was impressive. I mean, Mach 9.5. Crazy.

[MonkParticipant 17050]

Sandals wrote:

Hmm… today’s incredible cameras, and all the footage of UFOs is always gray and pixelated…

Or at least the ones that find their way into the public domain.

[AutoliteParticipant]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Maybe more tests of scramjet-powered aircrafts.
Even though NASA stopped many years ago. The X43A was impressive. I mean, Mach 9.5. Crazy.

A few years ago on a similar thread, one thread participant claimed that he once many years ago saw a spectacular huge aircraft that he felt could have in no way been built or created by humans. However, by his own description, it turned out to be an early model Northrop ‘flying wing’ (very most likely built by humans)…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-35

[AutoliteParticipant]

The very early test flights of the jet Bell Airacomet (early in the war) were carried out in utmost secrecy. The aircraft had it’s own hangar and was kept out of view as much as possible. The idea of an aircraft with no propeller was back then beyond the imagination of even most pilots.

As the story goes, one the plane’s test pilots would wear a gorilla mask during test flights just to mess with any other pilot who’s aircraft got too close… 😀

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-test-pilot-of-the-usafs-first-jet-fighter-dressed-as-a-gorilla-to-mess-with-other-pilots

[AutoliteParticipant]

And we also had ‘Foo Fighters’…

The term foo fighter was used by Allied aircraft pilots in World War II to describe various UFOs or mysterious aerial phenomena seen in the skies over both the European and Pacific theaters of operations.

Though “foo fighter” initially described a type of UFO reported and named by the U.S. 415th Night Fighter Squadron, the term was also commonly used to mean any UFO sighting from that period.[1] Formally reported from November 1944 onwards, witnesses often assumed that the foo fighters were secret weapons employed by the enemy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Blade is one of the best of us Autolite. Truly. He has more Tolerance and Humility than many dudes here. And he has been thru some real nasty sh!t. I wont elaborate but he is lucky to still be with us.

We must grant him his indulgences. Sort of like how some people watch UFC but other people prefer WWF. Who is to say that Pro Wrestling isnt real?! Looks plenty real to me!!!

Just got to roll with it.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Blade is one of the best of us Autolite. Truly. He has more Tolerance and Humility than many dudes here. And he has been thru some real nasty sh!t. I wont elaborate but he is lucky to still be with us.

We must grant him his indulgences.

I can to a degree tolerate people like Blade. They are a curiosity to me. I want to try and figure out how and why so many people believe in things that obviously just aren’t so and it has always been a life long mystery for me.

‘Bullshhit’ and why people believe it has been an interest of mine since I was a kid. But this being a MGTOW website, I figure that we as MGTOWs must be proponents of facts and truth. That’s why I tend to post on threads that talk about ghosts, religion, UFOs and such.

However, what really gets to me are people in positions of higher authority who will spew incredible bullshhit! Several years ago, Canada had a Minister of National Defense (John MacCallum?) who actually believed in space aliens! For me, its very unsettling that such (supposedly educated) people make it into positions of power, authority and responsibility… 😡

[WarfishParticipant 408]

Gravel Pit wrote:

No fleshly being can traverse stars and live. Its impossible, just like FTL and Cryosleep are impossible.
If the UFO phenomenon is real, then they are either:
1. Man made
2. Man made but reverse engineered from previously recovered extre-terrestrial drones
3. Live extra terrestrial drones ie automated or possibly AI drones from a LONG, LONG extinct species hundreds or thousands of lightyears away. (meaning they went extinct 10s of thousands of years ago or more, perhaps millions).
We will never be “visited” by living aliens. There is simply too much distance between stars.
The ONLY way for sentient species to traverse stars is to build Generational Ships that can support themselves in deep space while they spend thousands of years in transit. Hybernation and FTL are BULLSH!T, this isnt Star Trek.
Because of the nature of what a Generational Ship would need, it would be LARGE and unmistakable! It would be VERY difficult to keep one hidden from Astronomers, say behind the Moon for very long. The secret would get out eventually.
These UFO stories are all Pilots slapkneeing us, a prank, a hoax or test craft… its extrememly far fetched to even think they are reverse engineered, man made from long time ago, downed ET dronecraft.
ITS ALL BS

So the belief is that we are the most intelligent beings to exist? While possible there may be equally intelligent or higher intelligent beings out there. The universe is vast, just because we have not discovered one another does not mean they do not exist. And that they do not have say warp or hyperspace capability. I think the odds are way to great for us to be the only ones…..

[AutoliteParticipant]

Warfish wrote:

I think the odds are way to great for us to be the only ones…..

We can’t be absolutely certain that we are the only ones. But the chances that we have encountered (or will ever encounter) intelligent life ‘out there’ is ridiculous in the most extreme.

Since the dawn of recorded history we’ve been ‘seeing’ extra terrestrials. Yet after all this time we haven’t any credible evidence or reason to believe that we’ve ever encountered anything alien. We really should be advocating that people get a grip on reality rather encouraging a belief in such utter nonsense. Let’s relegate the belief in space alien encounters to the ‘for entertainment purposes only’ category…

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Warfish wrote:

And that they do not have say warp or hyperspace capability.

there are most definetly Aliens out there Warfish, millions of sentient species all over the milky way. Even the most conservative approach the Drake Equation admits TONS of intelligent life.

The issue is Distance and travel time thru a resource-less vacuum. There are LIMITS to PHYSCIALITY. Its doesnt matter how smart a species is, they cant undo the impossible. Star Travel is off the table, as far as doing it in any reasonable sort of time frame. Even if an alien species has a lifespan of say 1700 Earth years. They would still be dying out in space trying to make it to another star… They would still require Gen Ships.

Do not even front the Wormhole and hyperspace crap dude. Autolite and I are total skeptics and will deliver so much criticism on all sorts of whacky ass theories to try and make space travel faster. Weve heard it all bro. Its all BUNK and meant only to increase funding for telescopes and sh!t.

Autolite wrote:

like Blade. They are a curiosity to me.

Blade is cut from a different cloth personality wise, bro. He is not a vigorously skeptical, nor a “serious” person. He is a CUT UP and funny man who is almost never serious and is LAUGHING and smoking weed alot. He is an old timer guy in Australia. A surfer type, Kangaroo Wrangler who could care less about the rigors of scientific method and sh!t… You have to understand who youre dealing with online sometimes.

If you throw serious stuff at him, all you get is funnier and funnier stuff back. 🙂

[WarfishParticipant 408]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Warfish wrote:

And that they do not have say warp or hyperspace capability.

there are most definetly Aliens out there Warfish, millions of sentient species all over the milky way. Even the most conservative approach the Drake Equation admits TONS of intelligent life.
The issue is Distance and travel time thru a resource-less vacuum. There are LIMITS to PHYSCIALITY. Its doesnt matter how smart a species is, they cant undo the impossible. Star Travel is off the table, as far as doing it in any reasonable sort of time frame. Even if an alien species has a lifespan of say 1700 Earth years. They would still be dying out in space trying to make it to another star… They would still require Gen Ships.
Do not even front the Wormhole and hyperspace crap dude. Autolite and I are total skeptics and will deliver so much criticism on all sorts of whacky ass theories to try and make space travel faster. Weve heard it all bro. Its all BUNK and meant only to increase funding for telescopes and sh!t.

Autolite wrote:

like Blade. They are a curiosity to me.

Blade is cut from a different cloth personality wise, bro. He is not a vigorously skeptical, nor a “serious” person. He is a CUT UP and funny man who is almost never serious and is LAUGHING and smoking weed alot. He is an old timer guy in Australia. A surfer type, Kangaroo Wrangler who could care less about the rigors of scientific method and sh!t… You have to understand who youre dealing with online sometimes.
If you throw serious stuff at him, all you get is funnier and funnier stuff back.

Ahhh…. but that is only because those are the limitations as we know them. Perhaps another being has figured out to travel via quantums (or however the f~~~ you would describe that) and just hasn’t learned of us yet? eh? Who knows. Way to many variables to figure out why we haven’t seen anyone yet.

[WarfishParticipant 408]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Warfish wrote:

And that they do not have say warp or hyperspace capability.

there are most definetly Aliens out there Warfish, millions of sentient species all over the milky way. Even the most conservative approach the Drake Equation admits TONS of intelligent life.
The issue is Distance and travel time thru a resource-less vacuum. There are LIMITS to PHYSCIALITY. Its doesnt matter how smart a species is, they cant undo the impossible. Star Travel is off the table, as far as doing it in any reasonable sort of time frame. Even if an alien species has a lifespan of say 1700 Earth years. They would still be dying out in space trying to make it to another star… They would still require Gen Ships.
Do not even front the Wormhole and hyperspace crap dude. Autolite and I are total skeptics and will deliver so much criticism on all sorts of whacky ass theories to try and make space travel faster. Weve heard it all bro. Its all BUNK and meant only to increase funding for telescopes and sh!t.

Autolite wrote:

like Blade. They are a curiosity to me.

Blade is cut from a different cloth personality wise, bro. He is not a vigorously skeptical, nor a “serious” person. He is a CUT UP and funny man who is almost never serious and is LAUGHING and smoking weed alot. He is an old timer guy in Australia. A surfer type, Kangaroo Wrangler who could care less about the rigors of scientific method and sh!t… You have to understand who youre dealing with online sometimes.
If you throw serious stuff at him, all you get is funnier and funnier stuff back.

ahhhh … those are only the limitations as we know them. Perhaps another being has learned a different method for travel such as via quantum’s. Who knows. There are too many variables to know why we have not met anyone/thing yet.

[WarfishParticipant 408]

Warfish wrote:

Gravel Pit wrote:

Warfish wrote:

And that they do not have say warp or hyperspace capability.

there are most definetly Aliens out there Warfish, millions of sentient species all over the milky way. Even the most conservative approach the Drake Equation admits TONS of intelligent life.The issue is Distance and travel time thru a resource-less vacuum. There are LIMITS to PHYSCIALITY. Its doesnt matter how smart a species is, they cant undo the impossible. Star Travel is off the table, as far as doing it in any reasonable sort of time frame. Even if an alien species has a lifespan of say 1700 Earth years. They would still be dying out in space trying to make it to another star… They would still require Gen Ships.Do not even front the Wormhole and hyperspace crap dude. Autolite and I are total skeptics and will deliver so much criticism on all sorts of whacky ass theories to try and make space travel faster. Weve heard it all bro. Its all BUNK and meant only to increase funding for telescopes and sh!t.

Autolite wrote:

like Blade. They are a curiosity to me.

Blade is cut from a different cloth personality wise, bro. He is not a vigorously skeptical, nor a “serious” person. He is a CUT UP and funny man who is almost never serious and is LAUGHING and smoking weed alot. He is an old timer guy in Australia. A surfer type, Kangaroo Wrangler who could care less about the rigors of scientific method and sh!t… You have to understand who youre dealing with online sometimes.If you throw serious stuff at him, all you get is funnier and funnier stuff back.

ahhhh … those are only the limitations as we know them. Perhaps another being has learned a different method for travel such as via quantum’s. Who knows. There are too many variables to know why we have not met anyone/thing yet.

didn’t post at first so I rewrote and posted….now of course both responses post. Ugghhhh. Unboxxed since I can’t delete, if you don’t mind. delete this one and the one previous please.

[narwhalParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

there are most definetly Aliens out there Warfish, millions of sentient species all over the milky way. Even the most conservative approach the Drake Equation admits TONS of intelligent life.

There is not most definitely aliens. The Drake equation makes sense if we know all the factors of the equation. We do not know how life is created where there is no life, so it’s impossible to say that we know the probability of life on any other planets. Even if we did, it still makes no sense to say that something that isn’t 100% probably is a ‘definite’.

As far as interstellar travel goes, we don’t have an effective way of travel right now, but it’s not impossible that it won’t exist in the future. We don’t know what we don’t know, and it’s safe to say that humans of the past would have never thought current technology was possible. Granted, much of modern advancements have less to do with new understanding of science as it does with the ingenituty and engineering to apply what we already know in productive ways, but there is still reason to believe that there is more to learn about the world. And that can resulting in engineering that allows us to do what was previously thought to be impossible.

Ok. Then do it.

[WarfishParticipant 408]

I just realized we cannot edit or delete posts … what the hell. I ended up with a double post because the 1st didn’t show so I rewrote and posted then the first showed. Stoopid, non-helpful, non-admin, site operator……….

Edit…. You can edit until some post behind you.

[HermitParticipant]

Warfish wrote:

Ahhh…. but that is only because those are the limitations as we know them. Perhaps another being has figured out to travel via quantums (or however the f~~~ you would describe that) and just hasn’t learned of us yet? eh? Who knows. Way to many variables to figure out why we haven’t seen anyone yet.

I agree with this. Think back to when people believed it was impossible for a man to fly through the air in a machine. Then think of telling those people that men would travel to the moon and walk on the surface of it. They’d either laugh hysterically at you or think you’re a lunatic.

Now here we are with the technology and capability of having men travel to the planet Mars and walking on its surface in a few years from now. I don’t know how we’ll do it, but if human beings exist long enough, we’ll find a way to travel fast enough to get to other habitable planets. Think of where mankind has come from and where we are now. Can you imagine what a person in the early 19th century would think if you told them that one day man would walk on the moon? “It’s impossible!……it’s ridiculous to believe that a man could ever walk on the moon…….it can’t be done.” Yet here we are, living in a time when walking on the moon and safely returning to Earth is very old news having been done numerous times.

We have no idea what the human race is capable of if given enough time. “Sending spacecraft to Mars…..??????…….what’s a spacecraft and what’s a Mars….????……..”

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Narwhal.

So you say that the Drake Equation is too murky to conclude that sentient life is definitely out there…but you suggest that FTL of some sort is possible?

DUDE, that is a silly. You shut down one thing as preposterous but then leave the door open on something that is way less likely.

1. There is most definitely life out there, SMART LIFE. We’ve already spotted hundreds of habitable zone planets around MANY stars near here. Even if only .0001% of them create vertebrate life. And of those, only .0001% of those produce sentient life capable of escape velocity. That means that the Milky Way has hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of aliens, each with their own NASA equivalent. Its as certain as the sun rising in the morning bro.

2. The speed of light is not something to joke about. It takes LIGHT, 7 years! just to reach Alpha Centauri from here. 7 Years! Its a freaking JOKE, if you know ANYTHING about physics at all, to think that a craft of any sort, made of any metal, propulsed by any means, can reach even 1/20th the speed of light without killing everyone on board and disintegrating, let alone the energy required to do that, or the energy to slow down, or the energy to produce oxygen and food aboard. And even if you could hit 5% lightspeed, the trip would take 140 years!!!! So it would STILL BE A GEN SHIP!

No matter how you try to approach it. The situation, with Stars being flung so far apart… its IMPOSSIBLE to get to them. The ONLY way is a Gen Ship that makes the trip over 1000s of years…. with countless Generations living and dying on the way.
This is true no matter if you breath oxygen and have an 80 year lifespan, or whether you breath Helium and have a 680 year lifespan. Its true whether you have mastered Fusion Reactors or whether youve barely landed a washing machine on the Moon.

Some barriers are REAL barriers, that no amount of technological progress or supreme genetics can overcome. This is NOT a Sci Fi book. Hyperdrive, Warp Speed, wormholes, lightsails, laser propulsion, crysosleep, hibernation etc are all SCI FICTION or not applicable in the real world

[Gravel PitParticipant]

all Im saying is that you cant build a magical spaceship that erases the Physical laws of Spacetime. Lightspeed is intrinsic to the nature of spacetime. Stars are hundreds of lightyears apart. This is not approachable in real life, no matter what kind of Imaginary spacebending crap you thought up on the toilet LOL. Its FUN to speculate and say “well we ivnented smartphones and submarines, those were also unthinkable…” but were on a whole new plane here. You cant surpass the walls of reality. Prior technological progress was made well within the scope of physical laws. Youre talking about surpassing physical laws. Cant be done, by any being, period

[narwhalParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Narwhal.
So you say that the Drake Equation is too murky to conclude that sentient life is definitely out there…but you suggest that FTL of some sort is possible?
DUDE, that is a silly. You shut down one thing as preposterous but then leave the door open on something that is way less likely.
1. There is most definitely life out there, SMART LIFE. We’ve already spotted hundreds of habitable zone planets around MANY stars near here. Even if only .0001% of them create vertebrate life. And of those, only .0001% of those produce sentient life capable of escape velocity. That means that the Milky Way has hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of aliens, each with their own NASA equivalent. Its as certain as the sun rising in the morning bro.

The problem is that .0001% is a made up number. You can claim something is definite based on made up number. We do not know how life came to exist and therefore can’t place any sensible number on the probably of life spontaneously creating.

Gravel Pit wrote:

2. The speed of light is not something to joke about. It takes LIGHT, 7 years! just to reach Alpha Centauri from here. 7 Years! Its a freaking JOKE, if you know ANYTHING about physics at all, to think that a craft of any sort, made of any metal, propulsed by any means, can reach even 1/20th the speed of light without killing everyone on board and disintegrating, let alone the energy required to do that, or the energy to slow down, or the energy to produce oxygen and food aboard. And even if you could hit 5% lightspeed, the trip would take 140 years!!!! So it would STILL BE A GEN SHIP!

I’m aware of all this, and explicitly stated that nothing we currently know about the nature of the universe would allow us to engineer anything to make it happen. What I said is that we don’t know what we don’t konw, and therefore it’s possible.

You claimed that life on other planets is definite. I’m claiming interstellar travel could be possible. You see the difference in the two claims? The first requires evidence, which we don’t have. The second admits that we don’t know everything right now.

Gravel Pit wrote:

No matter how you try to approach it. The situation, with Stars being flung so far apart… its IMPOSSIBLE to get to them. The ONLY way is a Gen Ship that makes the trip over 1000s of years…. with countless Generations living and dying on the way.This is true no matter if you breath oxygen and have an 80 year lifespan, or whether you breath Helium and have a 680 year lifespan. Its true whether you have mastered Fusion Reactors or whether youve barely landed a washing machine on the Moon.
Some barriers are REAL barriers, that no amount of technological progress or supreme genetics can overcome. This is NOT a Sci Fi book. Hyperdrive, Warp Speed, wormholes, lightsails, laser propulsion, crysosleep, hibernation etc are all SCI FICTION or not applicable in the real world

Those are all sci-fi stuff that we have no idea how to build and likely never will, and likely are not possible. I’m talking about the possiblity of what we don’t know. It may be that it’s completely impossible even after significantly more knowledge. Quite possible, probable even. But we don’t know, and therefore, it’s possible.

As a general commentary, I think it’s interesting how the advent of organized sceince has caused humans to think that we know and understand everything there is to know, even though we are constantly learning new things about the universe we live in.

Ok. Then do it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

can’t place any sensible number on the probably of life spontaneously creating.

.0001% for vertebrates and .0001% of those, which is really tiny, being sentient. Thats a pretty small and “safe” figure to assume. I mean come on bro… LOL

narwhal wrote:

The first requires evidence, which we don’t have. The second admits that we don’t know everything right now.

All good points. Fair.

For the sake of our survival, and for the sake of it being really cool, I hope we find a way! Visiting dozens of earth like planets and observing other life would be so freaking cool.

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