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    Trump and President John F Kennedy’s Legacy

    The Russian Obsession Goes Back Decades
    by Jacob G. Hornberger
    The Future of Freedom Foundation
    18th May 2017

      Jacob G. Hornberger was born and raised in Laredo, Texas, and received his B.A. (Economics) from Virginia Military Institute and his law degree from the University of Texas and then practised as a trial attorney for twelve years He was a Professor at the University of Dallas, where he taught law and economics. In 1987 Mr. Hornberger left the practice of law to become director of programs at the Foundation for Economic Education


    Memorial Day Edition

    Just consider the accusations that have been leveled at the President:

    1. He has betrayed the Constitution, which he swore to uphold.
    2. He has committed treason by befriending Russia and other enemies of America.
    3. He has subjugated America’s interests to Moscow.
    4. He has been caught in fantastic lies to the American people, including personal ones, like his previous marriage and divorce.

    President Donald Trump?

    No, President John F. Kennedy.

    What lots of Americans don’t realize, because it was kept secret from them for so long, is that what Trump has been enduring from the national-security establishment, the mainstream press, and the American right-wing for his outreach to, or “collusion with,” Russia pales compared to what Kennedy had to endure for committing the heinous “crime” of reaching out to Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union in a spirit of peace and friendship.

    They hated him for it. They abused him. They insulted him. They belittled him. They called him naive. They said he was a traitor.

    All of the nasties listed above, plus more, were contained in an advertisement and a flier that appeared in Dallas on the morning of November 22, 1963, the day that Kennedy was assassinated. They can be read here [4] and here [5].

    Ever since then, some people have tried to make it seem like the advertisement and flier expressed only the feelings of extreme right-wingers in Dallas. That’s nonsense. They expressed the deeply held convictions of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, the conservative movement, and many people within the mainstream media and Washington establishment.

    In June 1963, Kennedy threw down the gauntlet in a speech he delivered at American University, now entitled the “Peace Speech. [2]” It was one of the most remarkable speeches ever delivered by an American president. It was broadcast all across the communist Soviet Union, the first time that had ever been done.

    In the speech, Kennedy announced that he was bringing an end to the Cold War and the mindset of hostility toward Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union that the U.S. national-security establishment had inculcated in the minds of the American people ever since the end of World War II.

    It was a radical notion and, as Kennedy well understood, a very dangerous one insofar as he was concerned. The Cold War against America’s World War II partner and ally had been used to convert the United States from a limited-government republic to a national-security state – one consisting of a vast, permanent military establishment, the CIA, and the NSA, along with their broad array of totalitarian-like powers, such as assassination, regime change, coups, invasions, torture, surveillance, and the like.

    Everyone was convinced that the Cold War — and the so-called threat from the international communist conspiracy that was supposedly based in Russia — would last forever, which would naturally mean permanent and ever-increasing largess for what Kennedy’s predecessor, President Dwight Eisenhower, had called the “military-industrial complex.”

    Suddenly, Kennedy was upending the Cold War apple cart by threatening to establish a relationship of friendship and peaceful coexistence with Russia, the rest of the Soviet Union, and Cuba.

    Kennedy knew full well that his actions were considered by some to be a grave threat to “national security.” After all, don’t forget that it was Guatemalan President Jacobo Arbenz’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him ousted from power by the CIA and presumably targeted for assassination as part of that regime-change operation.

    It was Cuban leader Fidel Castro’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that made him the target of Pentagon and CIA regime-change operations, including through invasion, assassination, and sanctions.

    It was Congo leader’s Patrice Lamumba’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him targeted for assassination by the CIA.

    It would be Chilean President Salvador Allende’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him targeted in a CIA-instigated coup in Chile that resulted in Allende’s death.

    Kennedy wasn’t dumb. He knew what he was up against. He had heard Eisenhower warn the American people in his Farewell Address about the dangers to their freedom and democratic way of life posed by the military establishment. After Kennedy had read the novel Seven Days in May, which posited the danger of a military coup in America, he asked friends in Hollywood to make it into a movie to serve as a warning to the American people.

    In the midst of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the Pentagon and the CIA were exerting extreme pressure on Kennedy to bomb and invade Cuba, his brother Bobby told a Soviet official with whom he was negotiating that the president was under a severe threat of being ousted in a coup. And, of course, Kennedy was fully mindful of what had happened to Arbenz, Lamumba, and Castro for doing what Kennedy was now doing — reaching out to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship.

    In the eyes of the national-security establishment, one simply did not reach out to Russia, Cuba, or any other “enemy” of America. Doing so, in their eyes, made Kennedy an appeaser, betrayer, traitor, and a threat to “national security.”

    Kennedy didn’t stop with his Peace Speech. He also began negotiating a treaty with the Soviets to end above-ground nuclear testing, an action that incurred even more anger and ire within the Pentagon and the CIA. Yes, that’s right — they said that “national security” depended on the U.S. government’s continuing to do what they object to North Korea doing today — conducting nuclear tests, both above ground and below ground.

    Kennedy mobilized public opinion to overcome fierce opposition in the military, CIA, Congress, and the Washington establishment to secure passage of his Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

    He then ordered a partial withdrawal of troops from Vietnam, and told close aides that he would order a complete pull-out after winning the 1964 election. In the eyes of the U.S. national-security establishment, leaving Vietnam subject to a communist takeover would pose a grave threat to national security here in the United States.

    Worst of all, from the standpoint of the national-security establishment, Kennedy began secret personal negotiations with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev and Cuban leader Fidel Castro to bring an end to America’s Cold War against them. That was considered to be a grave threat to “national security” as well as a grave threat to all the military and intelligence largess that depended on the Cold War.

    By this time, Kennedy’s war with the national-security establishment was in full swing. He had already vowed to tear the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds after its perfidious conduct in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

    By this time, he had also lost all confidence in the military after it proposed an all-out surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union, much as Japan had done at Pearl Harbor, after the infamous plan known as Operation Northwoods, [3] which proposed terrorist attacks and plane hijackings carried out by U.S. agents posing as Cuban communists, so as to provide a pretext for invading Cuba, and after the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the military establishment accused him of appeasement and treason for agreeing not to ever invade Cuba again.

    What Kennedy didn’t know was that his “secret” negotiations with the Soviet and Cuban communists weren’t so secret after all. As it turns out, it was a virtual certainty that the CIA (or NSA) was listening in on telephone conversations of Cuban officials at the UN in New York City, much as the CIA and NSA still do today, during which they would have learned what the president was secretly doing behind their backs.

    Kennedy’s feelings toward the people who were calling him a traitor for befriending Moscow and other “enemies” of America? In response to the things that were said in that advertisement and flier about him being a traitor for befriending Russia, he told his wife Jackie on the morning he was assassinated: “We are heading into nut country today.” Of course, as he well knew, the nuts weren’t located only in Dallas. They were also situated throughout the U.S. national-security establishment.

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    We have seen that at this period of time (in the posts ‘A Short History of the Neocon Takeover of the United States) that the harbinger of Trotsky’s Fourth International was fully entrenched in the US security services and there would have been no compunction to carry out a strike against its enemies to maintain its hegemony.

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    Citation
    [1] https://www.fff.org/2017/05/18/russian-obsession-goes-back-decades/
    [2] The Peace Speech

    [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
    [4] http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkadtreason.jpg
    [5] https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=treason+jfk+ad+dallas&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLo_Tdx_nTAhXJRyYKHWnXCPcQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1800&bih=938&gws_rd=cr&ei=ODosWeinF8z3vASps5OQCg#imgrc=SNnQVE0Lf3Wr8M:&spf=1495114557021

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    PistolPete
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    Very true to this day among US conservatives ANYONE who utters anything positive about Russia, or suggests improving relations is immediately labeled a “code pink conservative”. Aside from how incorrect this is in terms of appreciating real politic it also smacks of the same kind of tactic used by the left; someone disagrees so create a label for them.

    I’ve had fellow conservatives go on and on about Putin this; Putin that BLAH BLAH blah…he is such a bad guy…then I am forced to remind them of gentlemen like Peter the Great, Ivan the terrible etc. and point out there is a long history of Russian strong men emerging at precisely the time they were most needed.

    Of course these guys are clueless; they don’t know anything about american history so how can they be expected to know anything about Russian history.

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    Very true to this day among US conservatives ANYONE who utters anything positive about Russia, or suggests improving relations is immediately labeled a “code pink conservative”.

    Too true PP and as Bezmenov says there is no way they will be convinced until the combat boot is stuck up their ass.

    Have a good Memorial Day PP.

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    Faust For Science
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    I do not see the comparisons.

    While people like to lionize JFK, they forget how dirty a politician JFK was. JFK accepted dirty money, and he made all the wrong promises to a lot of bad people.

    President Trump used his own money and a record level of small donations from U.S. voters to fund his campaign. (President Trump could likely fund the US/Mexican border wall with fundraisers.)

    JFK had his friends in Chicago and Texas steal the presidential election from Nixon.

    JFK went along with supporting the globalist agenda until he lost his nerve with the plan to take Cuba from Castro, this caused the Bay of Pigs fiasco. This was the beginning of JFK’s downfall.

    When JFK was finally killed, he was planning to turn on those whom put him in the White House.

    In the end JFK made an enemy out of just about everyone but the media and the democrats. A lot of different people had motive to kill him. This is likely why the cover up went so smoothly, those JFK had crossed all wanted to sweep their connections to JFK under the rug.

    On the other hand, President Trump seems to have only the media and democrats as his enemy.

    In addition, JFK was a known adulterer with multiple woman and he had severe health problems. All of which the media willfully covered up for him.

    President Trump has been married a few times. Though, all in all President Trump is faithful to his current wive. And the election showed that President Trump is healthier than more men half his age.

    On a side note, anyone that has read about Nixon from his friend Roger Stone learns that Nixon was setup because he wanted to do a number of things that President Trump wishes to do.

    The media celebrates the Nixon resignation as the day the media pulled a coup on the presidency. And the media is trying to do that with President Trump. But, President Trump is far craftier and he has his supporters using the internet to beat back the media lies.

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    PistolPete
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    Faust; if you and Yumbo EVER agreed on anything I think it would be a sign of the apocalypses.

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    Faust; if you and Yumbo EVER agreed on anything I think it would be a sign of the apocalypses.

    Actually, we have agreed on a few topics.

    #495246
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    Thanks Faust / PP

    I prefer truth to anything else and Faust you have been a good counterpoint to what I have put down. We all have to accept the reality no matter how difficult it may be. (It is also good to be pulled down a peg or two.)

    However I believe he had his reasons for his distrust of the people around him – puppet comes to mind – and most likely wanted to be his own man to do the things he saw as important.

    In this case my response is both positions are valid and Faust’s points do not detract from the topic at hand.

    I will let the readers decide how they wish to remember JFK. To me his political stand was the defining one and yes – he was far from perfect.

    Keep going Faust – you’ve got my support. And a good Memorial Day to you too.

    #495263
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    I prefer truth to anything else and Faust you have been a good counterpoint to what I have put down.

    Yumbo, I enjoy debating with you. You keep things polite and we debate on the details.

    We all have to accept the reality no matter how difficult it may be.

    I agree.

    Keep going Faust – you’ve got my support. And a good Memorial Day to you too.

    I hope you have a pleasant day as well.

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    Seems to me what remains the same is that there is a strong element of wanting to go to war within the Deep State and by those who want the current wars and war plans the U.S. is neck deep into right now to continue.

    #495545
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    Seems to me what remains the same is that there is a strong element of wanting to go to war within the Deep State and by those who want the current wars and war plans the U.S. is neck deep into right now to continue.

    That is the only constant in the equation.

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    Another excellent thread along with polite counterpoint.

    #496178
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    Another excellent thread along with polite counterpoint.

    Thank you sir.

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