Trump and Impeachment

[narwhalParticipant]

If you’ve paid attention to politics this year at all, it’s quite clear that there are active forces trying to remove Trump from office. Media is consistently trying to paint Trump negatively, and Liberals are openly stating they hope to find something they can impeach him on. It’s not a matter of seeing if there was an impeachable, it’s a matter of looking for any excuse to impeach.

To be fair, this is nothing new. Republicans did the same thing with Bill Clinton. They wanted him impeached for political reasons, not because of what he did behind close doors. You could argue the Republicans would have done the same thing with Obama, but did not for fear of being labeled racists.

However, I think the current situation is different from Clinton’s in that the witch hunt is happening so soon after the election, Trump is an outsider, and his supporters do not feel like they’ve been effectively represented for quite some time. The environment of this hunt is very different.

That said, I think impeaching Trump for minor technical reasons in the near future, could end very badly. A huge portion of the population would feel that their vote had been nullified. Many would lose fail in the democratic/representative process, due to the active effort to silence their vote. It could very well end in active rebellion. Why continue to support and pay taxes to a government that does not serve you, that taxes you without effective representation? This is the very reason for the American revolution in the first place.

I am doubtful that the media and liberals are really considering what sort of dangerous game they’re playing. They have been so caught up in their fantasy world, propaganda, and idealistic view of the world, that they have forgotten the government only has power as granted by the will of the people. Despite whatever laws and PC they play, ‘might makes right’ is still underlying principle that ultimately wins out in the long run.

Ok. Then do it.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

With the recent win in Georgia and South Carolina, President Trump would have to pull something major to be impeached. Even after the 2018 Election, it would take a perfect storm.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Based on what I have seen – and I admit I don’t follow it closely enough to “know” – but the Dems have f~~~ed themselves so badly, and they did it all themselves.

Turn on CNN and the word “TRUMP” is on the screen 24/7. I can’t walk by the monitor in the lobby without seeing his name up there.

They LOVE trashing him and will spend all day speculating about all kinds of horse s~~~. “Trump said today. Trump tweeted today. Trump this. Trump that.” He’s the BEST thing that every happened to them. They LOVE to hate him.

The whole “impeachment” talk reminds me of when Geraldo Rivera built up the whole “Capone’s Vault” story. Every camera in the world was pointed at him…. and when they broke through it, it was empty and he got egg all over his face. A bunch of sensationalist nonsense over NOTHING.

But what did it get Geraldo? Rating and views.
That’s what hating Trump does for the MSM.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 6]

Keymaster wrote:

Based on what I have seen – and I admit I don’t follow it closely enough to “know” – but the Dems have f~~~ed themselves so badly, and they did it all themselves.

Turn on CNN and the word “TRUMP” is on the screen 24/7. I can’t walk by the monitor in the lobby without seeing his name up there.

They LOVE trashing him and will spend all day speculating about all kinds of horse s~~~. “Trump said today. Trump tweeted today. Trump this. Trump that.” He’s the BEST thing that every happened to them. They LOVE to hate him.

The whole “impeachment” talk reminds me of when Geraldo Rivera built up the whole “Capone’s Vault” story. Every camera in the world was pointed at him…. and when they broke through it, it was empty and he got egg all over his face. A bunch of sensationalist nonsense over NOTHING.

But what did it get Geraldo? Rating and views.
That’s what hating Trump does for the MSM.

I agree with everything you said except one thing. Trump is not good for the media’s rating because they have the lowest ratings they’ve had ever. Even Fox has gone down. Less and less people are looking at the MSM for their news. The only people still watching it are the people who weren’t gonna vote for Trump anyway. So technically it’s an echo chamber.

To impeach a President, you need a majority vote in the House. Can someone please show me where 200 people in the house are who would vote yes for that??

The dude ain’t getting impeached, not now, not ever. Dems don’t have the numbers, and as shown by last night, they can’t even buy a victory.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Keymaster wrote:

The whole “impeachment” talk reminds me of when Geraldo Rivera built up the whole “Capone’s Vault” story. Every camera in the world was pointed at him…. and when they broke through it, it was empty and he got egg all over his face. A bunch of sensationalist nonsense over NOTHING.

The difference is the corporate press opens that empty vault every day. Geraldo only did it once and he regrets what happened because he realized how damaging the incident was to his reputation.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I agree with everything you said except one thing. Trump is not good for the media’s rating because they have the lowest ratings they’ve had ever. Even Fox has gone down. Less and less people are looking at the MSM for their news.

I didn’t know that. I knew their credibility was in the toilet, but I didn’t know ratings were down. I imagined Trump was their meal ticket and thought they must be rubbing their hands together over it all.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[joetechParticipant]

The media is living in the past, and by the time their ratings have gone down it’s already too late. Most people get their news off the internet now, and fewer people are watching TV. Yes, CNN has a Trump fetish, but as recent elections show, the people aren’t buying into the narrative anymore. We still want lower taxes, higher wages, more jobs, and affordable health care…not a bankrupt welfare state. The democrats can’t figure out where they’ve gone wrong because they’ve quit listening to the electorate. When Trump wins his second term the democrats will still be complaining about Russia while the situation in the middle east gets worse. The crats will try to blame Trump for everything and when they loose more seats in Congress they’ll hit the talk show circuit to blast the American people for having a will of its own.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Anonymous 6]

Keymaster wrote:

Venom wrote:

I agree with everything you said except one thing. Trump is not good for the media’s rating because they have the lowest ratings they’ve had ever. Even Fox has gone down. Less and less people are looking at the MSM for their news.

I didn’t know that. I knew their credibility was in the toilet, but I didn’t know ratings were down. I imagined Trump was their meal ticket and thought they must be rubbing their hands together over it all.

Remember, I don’t say anything that i can’t back up.
Look…

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13987/ratings-and-reputation-cnn-had-very-bad-no-good-john-nolte#

Even consumer confidence in the news in trending downward. Exit polls from November stated that only 3% of people had their minds swayed by the news.

https://www.rt.com/usa/389626-fox-ratings-msm-trust/

TRUMP IS RIGHT: Mainstream Media Approval Rating At Record LOW With Americans

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

The dems are f~~~ed. They lost touch with the people with all thus social justice crap and, what’s worse,they’re doubling down on this nonsense.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[ResParticipant 542]

I’ve always considered myself a democratic libertarian, but I have to say in recent times I am really turned off by what has been going on. I started following the presidential election process early last year by watching a lot of TV news (yes, CNN) and on the night of the election I remember just how harrowing it was the blatant bias that CNN showed. I think Trump has f~~~ed up; he’s p~~~ed off the wrong people because he doesn’t know the politics of the organization that he found himself in. If he wants to continue to play the game, he needs to take a chill pill with the tweets and the fake news claims. The Russia investigations are legitimate concerns for the American voters. If you have nothing to hide, ride the surf and have some fun… but poking at the FBI is pressing buttons. Even if there is no proof of Russian collusion, Trump’s own attitude will be his demise.

Anyway, my biggest concern right now politically is healthcare. Normally I wouldn’t care because I would get healthcare through an employer, and that will probably be the case again when I find a new job. Given my current situation though, and for a lot of people who need benefits outside of work, a system has to be put in place that is sustainable. I think that Trump’s initial plans were ridiculous, but I don’t think Trump is an idiot, and I think those who govern with him are proving to show signs of coming up with something that might really work. At least we haven’t dropped the idea of healthcare altogether.

Paul Joseph Watson has some pretty good commentary and I enjoy his stuff, I just wish there was more of it. I think Trump is new to the game and needs some room to get off and running, but all presidents have that issue, this is no exception. If Trump wants to be successful, he needs a second term. If the Republicans want to be successful they need to support Trump to get a second term. The republicans won’t get very far if Trump gets impeached and we have to promote the VP; that’s my opinion anyway.

Mr. Boats: "'Avoid the reeking herd! Shun the polluted flock! Live like that stoic bird, the eagle of the rock!' You know what that means, son?" -American Splendor

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

The best they can hope for now is to just stick their fingers in their ears and shout “blah blah blah” at the tops of their lungs for the next seven and a half years.

Honestly it would be a better strategy than what they’re doing now.

[Anonymous 6]

Stargazer wrote:

The best they can hope for now is to just stick their fingers in their ears and shout “blah blah blah” at the tops of their lungs for the next seven and a half years.

Honestly it would be a better strategy than what they’re doing now.

And get out of the way of course

[narwhalParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

To impeach a President, you need a majority vote in the House. Can someone please show me where 200 people in the house are who would vote yes for that??

It wouldn’t be along party lines, but more of the establishment against Trump. The politicians in general can’t be happy with how Trump is ignoring all the games they play, not following PC rules, meeting campaign promises, and generally messing up the sweet deal they’ve got going. I have no doubt that guys like Paul Ryan would love for Trump to get caught doing something that would justify impeaching. The Republicans are not going to do the investigating and such themselves, but not one of them is going to stand in the Democrats way…because they want it to.

Keymaster wrote:

The whole “impeachment” talk reminds me of when Geraldo Rivera built up the whole “Capone’s Vault” story. Every camera in the world was pointed at him…. and when they broke through it, it was empty and he got egg all over his face. A bunch of sensationalist nonsense over NOTHING.

The democrats and media are ok with that, because they can spin that too. I was just reading an opinion piece today that stated Trump has proven he isn’t fit for offense because, despite all accusations false, he didn’t play the political game well enough. It makes no sense whatsoever, but people will believe it because they want to. By ‘people’, not everyone of course, just the diehards who bleed liberal no matter what. There are, of course, many on the right who are just as bad, who would never admit to Trump having any faults.

Res wrote:

Anyway, my biggest concern right now politically is healthcare. Normally I wouldn’t care because I would get healthcare through an employer, and that will probably be the case again when I find a new job. Given my current situation though, and for a lot of people who need benefits outside of work, a system has to be put in place that is sustainable.

There is a system in place for people who lose their jobs. It’s called COBRA. There is also this thing called ‘saving up for a raining day’ and looking after your health so that it doesn’t ruin you financially. And I’m not saying that it solves everyone’s problems, but why is it the government (taxpayers) job to solve all your problems? What about the government’s history of running programs makes you think that a national healthcare solution is the best way to get it done. Personally, I would rather the government spend it’s efforts removing/replacing laws that make healthcare so expensive, and helping the industry build a more effective infrastructure.

Res wrote:

Paul Joseph Watson has some pretty good commentary and I enjoy his stuff, I just wish there was more of it. I think Trump is new to the game and needs some room to get off and running, but all presidents have that issue, this is no exception.

I think the vast majority of Trump supporters don’t give a s~~~ about ‘the game’. They don’t care about PC. The don’t care what it looks like superficially. They don’t care about how it’s always been done before. They don’t believe what the MSM and politicians tell them to think and feel. They care about results.

That’s kind of my original point. If Trump is impeached, it will essentially be because he didn’t play the game well. Since voters didn’t vote him in for his gamesmanship, it’s not going to go over very well with the public.

Ok. Then do it.

[GregB0Participant]

The thread of Impeachment came up in another thread yesterday and I pointed out that the Impeachment process is started by a House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. If they feel that there are grounds to begin the Impeachment process, they forward the “articles of impeachment” to the entire House for vote. Both votes are simple majorities The Senate would then begin the trial portion of the Impeachment process. The Senate Vote carries a 2/3rds majority.

It is all a game of politics now and a simple majority is very easy to obtain these days with politicians crossing the fence. Not saying that this will happen, only bringing awareness to the fact that it can. The quote I shared yesterday is “An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history”. 1970 Gerald Ford.

Members of the House can start the process to Impeach even while knowing that there is no way that the Senate would vote to convict.

Astro wrote:

A huge portion of the population would feel that their vote had been nullified.

Granted that there would be a large portion of the population angry and dissatisfied if any member of the Presidential Cabinet were Impeached, let alone removed from Office.

Astro wrote:

they have forgotten the government only has power as granted by the will of the people.

Unfortunately the power of Impeachment was granted to the government to ensure that elected officials were incapable of continuing the “tyranny” experienced by the nation as a whole while governed by the British prior to the Revolutionary War.

Keymaster wrote:

Geraldo Rivera built up the whole “Capone’s Vault” story

KM, A great reference pointing to the media’s need for high profile events that will garner the greatest ratings. That’s why we no longer have three networks which provided consistently credible news coverage, but have today’s smorgasbord of news outlets (TV, Stream, Blog, etc.) that are usually suspect in their coverage. They do not have time to prepare and present the news because of the danger of being scooped by another news organization.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[Anonymous 1]

We have a single payer health care system in the us and it sucks. A lot of horror stories.

The VA

[narwhalParticipant]

GregB0 wrote:

Unfortunately the power of Impeachment was granted to the government to ensure that elected officials were incapable of continuing the “tyranny” experienced by the nation as a whole while governed by the British prior to the Revolutionary War.

Unfortunately? I see that as a good thing. However, it doesn’t mean politicians can abuse the power without consequences. The American people know, and the politicians should know, that if the government strays too far away from the will of the people, then revolt is a legitimate and noble option. Even the liberals understand this, hence why they claim to ‘resist’. I just think they don’t understand the will of the people.

GregB0 wrote:

KM, A great reference pointing to the media’s need for high profile events that will garner the greatest ratings. That’s why we no longer have three networks which provided consistently credible news coverage, but have today’s smorgasbord of news outlets (TV, Stream, Blog, etc.) that are usually suspect in their coverage. They do not have time to prepare and present the news because of the danger of being scooped by another news organization.

Not disagreeing with that, but I also think the nature of the business appeals more to the liberal mind then the conservative. Journalism degrees require you to pass through a liberal university. It’s exacerbating by the existing volume of liberal thinkers. They are so surrounded by liberalism is difficult to even comprehend a different point of view. What conservative in his right mind would want to get a job as a journalist?

The same holds true for education and science I think. They have become hives of liberal way of thinking that are practically in capable of accepting or considering a different viewpoint.

Ok. Then do it.

[GregB0Participant]

narwhal wrote:

Unfortunately?

My Bad Narwhal, should have been Fortunately, thanks for the catch and especially the comments. Spot on.

narwhal wrote:

I also think the nature of the business appeals more to the liberal mind then the conservative.

Agreed, I know quite a few people both in front and behind news media and conservatives have a much harder time rationalizing a viewpoint that allows them to report on stories with credibility.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[KevinStylesParticipant 2580]

Would people be happy with PENCE though as president because that’s what would happen, there wouldn’t be a new election, Dems still wouldn’t re-gain control of the whitehouse.

If the Dems want the white house, they need to put up a REAL candidate for next election. The whole reason we got Trump as president now is because there was no real choice for consideration put forth by Dems. If they had have put up a seasoned male candidate, that’s probably who would have won but they didn’t, they had to keep trying to make history by potentially having the first woman president like they did with having the first black president elected.

I hope Dems put The Rock up in the next election because why not. I think the people are making a mockery of the presidency as they are starting to understand that it really doesn’t matter. hell, the PEOPLE don’t even elect the president anymore anyway they’ve very coyly taken away the peoples power to elect the leader of our country.

[narwhalParticipant]

KevinStyles wrote:

Would people be happy with PENCE though as president because that’s what would happen, there wouldn’t be a new election, Dems still wouldn’t re-gain control of the whitehouse.

It’s not really a DEM/Republican issue, it’s an establishment/anti-establishment issue I think. Since Pence is an established politician, I do think they would prefer him. He is more likely to be controllable, at least on the Republican side for sure. I don’t think this is about ideals for the politicians, it’s about preserving their power and way of life.

Ok. Then do it.

[1MGTOWSpectator 301]

Impeach Trump? He’s a fascinating president! Americans should be very pleased with the fact that they have him in presidency. I like that dude a lot!

If you guys, though, decide to impeach him, could I take him to my country and make him my president?

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