This is why I always say to walk away from your children in divorce. It's best.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Many on here are divorced and have children or are younger and still facing the decision to have a child. In my opinion, based on experience and 20 years of hearing men’s voices on sites like this, upon divorce you should walk away from your children. Even if they want to see you. Walk away.

Divorce is hard on children. If you fight they will hate you. If you don’t fight at least there is a chance they might come back around. Here’s a story of a young guy who went his own way and went to see his absent father after 16 years and they form an instant strong bond.

It’s been almost 16 years … from MGTOW

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[MonkParticipant 17026]

Notice that it was his discovery of MGTOW that prompted him to question, to think again, and to seek closure.

MGTOW saves lives.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Once again, vasectomy for the f~~~ing WIN!

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

The write up is a great ending to a long drawn out divorce.

It would have to be very individual situation. Some kids would not understand not fighting for them.

Some places the laws are starting to change. Hope it speeds up so more fathers have equal time.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Even if there is 50/50 the children will choose the mother and she will be granted sole custody by a court of law. 85% of children are put in the sole custody of the mother.

I’m not just referring to my own case. I was an mra before I got married in 1990, when I was 30. By 34 I was snatched up and had a kid in the proper 3 or 4 years later. Within 9 months she left me and our 9 month old son. Seeing as how I was red pill as hell, I fought and got 50/50.

Even with this my son choose his mother over me when she moved away with Mr. Moneybags.

From 16 to 18 I walked away so he could live with his mom with no fighting over him. Without him being exposed to constant fighting…legal though but just as painful. (I won every time).

After I walked away I understand he did poorly in school and barely graduated HS. When he lived with me he was a good student with mainly A’s.

Now, after years of distance then coming together as adults we are beginning to bond again but differently because he is a young man. (and I’m an old one)

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[L. EulerParticipant 348]

Dear Puffin Stuff,
Euler says stay put in a crappy marriage if you can until the children are old enough to know who you are.
I stayed the whole course until the youngest was 18, they obviously KNEW who was the abuser (not the male).
Contrary to the press about men….they are not the main abusers. Not that I know anything about Muslims Laws, but children of divorce are the property of the man. Men do not hold visitation of children for ransom as women do for extortion of funds. Basically women have a “reproductive excess” while men have a labor/financial excess. The 2,000 year old agreement basically is one party exchanges their excess for the other’s. Well, when women possess the children and the finances (court induced), men are kicked out like drone bees from the hive.

The message the laws and #Hashtag me too, is that men are unimportant. When the child grows up and is in and out of trouble with the law…that’s when the price is paid. Just “give up” is a poor message to tell your followers. It gets interesting when the children are older, especially boys. Each of my two sons watched my suffering and were mad that I couldn’t do much about it. However, I insisted they learn computers and servers. They watched their father’s good fiscal judgement….in my case buying collectibles. One child was an art graduate, yet the one thing the College didn’t teach was how to buy and make money in Art. While “support” caused insolvency….the art judgement was still alive. I no longer dealt with banks….didn’t invest in usual things and flipped art time and again.
I’m not broke, but gradually made each of those two abused children a millionaire (art millionaires) and the bank and the lawyers know NOTHING…but more important than money ….they love their father, even if it (the marriage) didn’t work out.

It’s especially important NEVER to show liquid money in the bank…lawyer’s are good at smelling money…and low-profile is especially important in this regard. So, your investing will always be by the beat of a different drum. Collectibles, thank God I knew them. It’s a life-changer. Now a lovely grandchild…(no ordinary coin collection, art that would choke a race-horse) and “cupcake”, still can’t manage a thin dime!!
Always wants money!!!….and nary a trace in the bank.

That’s a fascinating MGTOW story…naturally the “hive” is interested. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people that have seen my apartment in ten years and I’m staying under the radar. I do not date and if I want sex, I buy it….there’s lots to choose from and many are not just drug abusers.
The “hive” is screwed and they have only themselves to thank.

L. Euler

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I’m talking about 85% of the cases of lack of parental infighting. And, why did you stay with your ball and chain for 18 years? I wasted 14 years of my life raising a son solo just to have him kick me in the teeth because he had to choose because she moved. Maybe he needed to separate from me, psychologists say so. Early Greeks knew this pattern with Oedapus Rex.

Even if your not fighting now chances are you could be cast out of the family over nothing at all. And if your lucky you won’t have to spend time in jail.

Is it fair to raise a child in an unhappy household? It sounds like your ex was reasonable. That’s the only reason your around. She needed you.

Most woman will eventually want to move and that is why they fight so hard for custody. They want control. Look at Brangalena.

Then your out. Happened to me and almost all my friends when we were about 40. All kicked out.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

L. Euler wrote:

Dear Puffin Stuff,Euler says stay put in a crappy marriage if you can until the children are old enough to know who you are.I stayed the whole course until the youngest was 18, they obviously KNEW who was the abuser (not the male).Contrary to the press about men….they are not the main abusers. Not that I know anything about Muslims Laws, but children of divorce are the property of the man. Men do not hold visitation of children for ransom as women do for extortion of funds. Basically women have a “reproductive excess” while men have a labor/financial excess. The 2,000 year old agreement basically is one party exchanges their excess for the other’s. Well, when women possess the children and the finances (court induced), men are kicked out like drone bees from the hive.
The message the laws and #Hashtag me too, is that men are unimportant. When the child grows up and is in and out of trouble with the law…that’s when the price is paid. Just “give up” is a poor message to tell your followers. It gets interesting when the children are older, especially boys. Each of my two sons watched my suffering and were mad that I couldn’t do much about it. However, I insisted they learn computers and servers. They watched their father’s good fiscal judgement….in my case buying collectibles. One child was an art graduate, yet the one thing the College didn’t teach was how to buy and make money in Art. While “support” caused insolvency….the art judgement was still alive. I no longer dealt with banks….didn’t invest in usual things and flipped art time and again.I’m not broke, but gradually made each of those two abused children a millionaire (art millionaires) and the bank and the lawyers know NOTHING…but more important than money ….they love their father, even if it (the marriage) didn’t work out.
It’s especially important NEVER to show liquid money in the bank…lawyer’s are good at smelling money…and low-profile is especially important in this regard. So, your investing will always be by the beat of a different drum. Collectibles, thank God I knew them. It’s a life-changer. Now a lovely grandchild…(no ordinary coin collection, art that would choke a race-horse) and “cupcake”, still can’t manage a thin dime!!Always wants money!!!….and nary a trace in the bank.
That’s a fascinating MGTOW story…naturally the “hive” is interested. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people that have seen my apartment in ten years and I’m staying under the radar. I do not date and if I want sex, I buy it….there’s lots to choose from and many are not just drug abusers.The “hive” is screwed and they have only themselves to thank.
L. Euler

THIS BROTHER IS SPOT ON!

NEVER keep LIQUID in the BANK.

I don’t care how you keep your money safe, just don’t have it so anyone can just snatch it out of your bank. I don’t care if they say that they can’t there is some law etc. It does not matter. PEOPLE TALK. PEOPLE DO FAVORS. And catching them in the act does nothing.

Hell, the Bum on the polar express was right.

I bet your ass he was a Family court victim! 🙂

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

[Sky-OParticipant 18949]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Now, after years of distance then coming together as adults we are beginning to bond again but differently because he is a young man. (and I’m an old one)

Never underestimate the conditioning and influence of his mother.

If at any point in time, he mentions your estate and / or your will / probate related –

Then he is just as conscious of you being an old man as you are.

I’m sure he loves you but mommy had plenty of time to get inside his head.

Next time you guys are hanging out & bonding, casually mentioned that you are leaving everything (your estate, etc) to charities you believe in and support.

And watch his reaction very carefully. It’s in the eyes and hard to ignore. Observe closely and decide for yourself.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

His mother married a trust fund rich Mr. Moneybags.

I said, oh yeah, your going to separate me from my son so you can go shopping?

You can pay for his college and living expenses with Mr. Moneybags money.

Now I tell him to go to the best schools. After all, Mr. Moneybags bio-son went to Brown, tuition 35K a year. My son deserves it…lol.

MGTOW for the win.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Sky-OParticipant 18949]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

His mother married a trust fund rich Mr. Moneybags.

Even more of a reason for him to be focused on your estate.

Not being blood related to Mr. Moneybags and having not been adopted by Mr.Moneybags – He has no legal right or claim to an inheritance from him.

But Mr. Moneybag’s biological son does. And that more than likely has not gone unnoticed.

Your son wants a dad too. At least when inevitable death comes.

Remember: He was under the influence of mommy for a long time.

And he was indirectly taught the importance of money when mommy rolled out of a marriage with his father to align with Mr. Moneybags.

Your old age, as stated by you will not go unnoticed by your biological son.

Now. If I am right – I’m not even saying that it’s a bad thing. Just human nature and something to consider.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Money. In today’s world it is hard for a teen to pass up being bought off by a parent.

My brother’s son was bought off by his ex-wife’s family. Has not seen/heard from him more then 15 years. I suspect he never will. My brother’s will is set for his estate to go to me and our other brother.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[MemberParticipant 323]

Agreed. If you can stand it stay in the marriage to form the bond with the kids. Plan ahead to pull the rip cord when they hit 18….find ways to shovel assets into hidey holes whenever possible…there are ways. On paper you want to be just above dick broke. Don’t make things worse by abandoning the kids thinking that you can just go live a happy life with no contact with them. You will always feel guilty over walking away….you only get so much time with them and frankly family is the only thing that matters much in this world. Everything else is just a distraction.

L. Euler wrote:

L. EulerParticipant 169Dear Puffin Stuff,Euler says stay put in a crappy marriage if you can until the children are old enough to know who you are.I stayed the whole course until the youngest was 18, they obviously KNEW who was the abuser (not the male).Contrary to the press about men….they are not the main abusers. Not that I know anything about Muslims Laws, but children of divorce are the property of the man. Men do not hold visitation of children for ransom as women do for extortion of funds. Basically women have a “reproductive excess” while men have a labor/financial excess. The 2,000 year old agreement basically is one party exchanges their excess for the other’s. Well, when women possess the children and the finances (court induced), men are kicked out like drone bees from the hive.The message the laws and #Hashtag me too, is that men are unimportant. When the child grows up and is in and out of trouble with the law…that’s when the price is paid. Just “give up” is a poor message to tell your followers. It gets interesting when the children are older, especially boys. Each of my two sons watched my suffering and were mad that I couldn’t do much about it. However, I insisted they learn computers and servers. They watched their father’s good fiscal judgement….in my case buying collectibles. One child was an art graduate, yet the one thing the College didn’t teach was how to buy and make money in Art. While “support” caused insolvency….the art judgement was still alive. I no longer dealt with

[BeerParticipant 11832]

My parent’s aren’t divorced, still live together, and I lived with both of them while growing up. Looking at their lives through a red pill lens its like wow…my dad sacrificed a lot for the family over the years…while she had a rather cushy life riding his back. She gives him no respect, s~~~s on him constantly to whoever will listen, and has been threatening him with divorce for the last decade. He’s just trying to ride it out because he’s in much better health then her so he knows she’ll more than likely die well before him.

Growing up she was absolutely miserable. Sure she did s~~~ for me, like pick me up from practice or typical s~~~ pretty much every parent does, but she also played a lot of head games with me. I don’t know how many times she’d get physical while yelling at me for some stupid s~~~, at which point I’d just go in my bedroom and shut the door to get away from her, then 20 minutes later she’d be knocking on my door asking if I wanted to go to Walmart or something with her. Of course I’d say no, and then I’d hear it how I never want to do anything with her, and she’d be calling family members telling them what a little prick I was and I don’t ever do anything with her and blah blah blah. It was an outright toxic relationship, and once I hit a point in life where physically she really couldn’t hurt me anymore and I could crush her if I wanted and I had a job and my own car I was able to pretty much cut her out of my life, and when she realized she had no power over me anymore, then she finally started treating me like a normal human being. Too late…she’s still cut out of my life.

I just can’t respect my mother as a person, not only for how she treated my while growing up, but my dad has done more for me, and more for her than any other person on this planet, and she treats him like absolute garbage. She used to bug me all the time about getting married and having kids, and I just started replying with stuff like “I’m not going to do that, I’d be miserable if I had a wife that treated me like you treat dad.” She stopped asking me about that s~~~ lol.

For guys with kids…in the end I don’t think it matters if you are married or divorced. If you just treat your kids and the ex well, the kids will see that. If the ex isn’t going to do the same, the kids will see that too. Someday they’ll be adults, have some relations~~~s of their own, careers of their own, and maybe kids of their own, and they’ll understand that dad was really a good dude, and that is when you win. If she chooses to be a psycho c~~~ and they eventually treat her accordingly while treating dad well, you win twice.

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