This is how The UK treats it’s heroes

[It’sallbsParticipant]

iMickey503 wrote:

Homeless vets take weeks to just get into shelters.

IN UK they closed most of the shelters which were very few and teye were all run by charities.

I think Centrepoint still operates in London.

Alwya enough money for war though or foreign to countries with space programmes or enough money to keep a TUNA in power ie £1billion magiced out of thinair to give to the DUP.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Anonymous 2]

Doc wrote:

Just want to say that your country is worth fighting and dying for.
NOT YOUR GOVERMENT.

Think about it. They are different things.

Unless you are fighting for a revolutionary army, how is fighting and dying for your country and fighting and dying for your government NOT the same thing? Your government wants you to think they are two separate things, because then they can keep you willingly coming back to play the disposable male and serve their agenda. That’s why they always phrase it as “fighting for your country”. Sounds much more appealing than “fighting for your government”, doesn’t it? Politics is just a big game of trying to mindf~~~ people into thinking what you want them to think, and a big part of that is using buzzwords so that it will put a positive spin on a situation in people’s heads. Just like how they use the term “lobbying” instead of “bribery”, as though making a big donation to somebody’s campaign fund instead of flat out writing them a check in exchange for political favors is any different. It’s just a big, fat coincidence that the guy who owns the road construction company that got the big government contract for rebuilding the expressway, just so happens to be the same guy that made a 30K donation to the campaign fund of the politician in charge of choosing who gets the contract, right? Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

If you are fighting in a government military, then you are fighting for that government. There is no way around that. I will fight and die to protect myself, my family, and my closest friends who I know would do the same for me. Other than that, I don’t owe anybody anything, least of all my government who has done nothing but take my money all my life and hand it out to women who did nothing other than simply be born with a vagina. Then my government turns around and tells me that I’m not eligible for the same benefits because I was born with a dick, so I’m just f~~~ed. As far as I’m concerned, the government should tell the women to take up arms and fight for the system and leave me the hell out of it, because they’re the only ones benefitting from it.

[DocParticipant]

I was just thinking about when the Nazis tried to invade Britain. Those guys who stopped them fought for their country.

Heading off to fight someone else’s war is fighting for our government.
But when your country is at threat and you value what is potentially to be lost it is no longer about the government.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 2]

Doc wrote:

I was just thinking about when the Nazis tried to invade Britain. Those guys who stopped them fought for their country.

Heading off to fight someone else’s war is fighting for our government.
But when your country is at threat and you value what is potentially to be lost it is no longer about the government.

Well, you’re also still fighting for whatever government is currently in power at the time. You’re just weighing risk and reward between staying under the same regime or being under a new one that could be worse.

As far as today’s society goes, I’d rather move to another place that actually values me than fight and die for a system that treats me like trash.

[DocParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Doc wrote:

I was just thinking about when the Nazis tried to invade Britain. Those guys who stopped them fought for their country.

Heading off to fight someone else’s war is fighting for our government.
But when your country is at threat and you value what is potentially to be lost it is no longer about the government.

Well, you’re also still fighting for whatever government is currently in power at the time. You’re just weighing risk and reward between staying under the same regime or being under a new one that could be worse.

As far as today’s society goes, I’d rather move to another place that actually values me than fight and die for a system that treats me like trash.

I agree Murph.
I also agree that it’s almost impossible to not fight for your government. But I be,Evie there are times when that in of no matter to the people who take up arms and fight for what they believe in.

Take The former Yugoslavia. Certain sides didn’t even have a government but in their eyes they fought for the ground beneath their feet.

Likewise did the IRA -whilst not seen as a legitimate army the men who fought for them saw themselves as soldiers fighting for a republican Ireland. Again no government behand them but a fight for their country.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 2]

Doc wrote:

Murph wrote:

Doc wrote:

I was just thinking about when the Nazis tried to invade Britain. Those guys who stopped them fought for their country.

Heading off to fight someone else’s war is fighting for our government.
But when your country is at threat and you value what is potentially to be lost it is no longer about the government.

Well, you’re also still fighting for whatever government is currently in power at the time. You’re just weighing risk and reward between staying under the same regime or being under a new one that could be worse.

As far as today’s society goes, I’d rather move to another place that actually values me than fight and die for a system that treats me like trash.

I agree Murph.
I also agree that it’s almost impossible to not fight for your government. But I be,Evie there are times when that in of no matter to the people who take up arms and fight for what they believe in.

Take The former Yugoslavia. Certain sides didn’t even have a government but in their eyes they fought for the ground beneath their feet.

Likewise did the IRA -whilst not seen as a legitimate army the men who fought for them saw themselves as soldiers fighting for a republican Ireland. Again no government behand them but a fight for their country.

Yes, but you are talking about rebel forces, not government soldiers. Like I said, if you’re fighting for a regime change, that’s not the same as fighting for a government already in control.

Anyway, my philosophy is that I’d rather move elsewhere than stay and die for a system that doesn’t give a single f~~~ about me. Considering that in western countries, women take as much or more out of the system as they pay into it, that means that those western governments are entirely supported on the backs of men. Rather than fight and die for a gynocentric government, I’d prefer to see men teach western society a lesson by showing what happens when men refuse to sacrifice for those systems any longer. Collapse would be unavoidable, and the world can see first-hand what happens when you s~~~ on men for too long. Maybe Sweden will end up being Exhibit A.

[DocParticipant]

Again I agree Murph.

What has become of many western societies is just a female favouring system that has no value for its men.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Anonymous wrote:

Doc wrote:

Just want to say that your country is worth fighting and dying for.
NOT YOUR GOVERMENT.

Think about it. They are different things.

Unless you are fighting for a revolutionary army, how is fighting and dying for your country and fighting and dying for your government NOT the same thing? Your government wants you to think they are two separate things, because then they can keep you willingly coming back to play the disposable male and serve their agenda. That’s why they always phrase it as “fighting for your country”. Sounds much more appealing than “fighting for your government”, doesn’t it? Politics is just a big game of trying to mindf~~~ people into thinking what you want them to think, and a big part of that is using buzzwords so that it will put a positive spin on a situation in people’s heads. Just like how they use the term “lobbying” instead of “bribery”, as though making a big donation to somebody’s campaign fund instead of flat out writing them a check in exchange for political favors is any different. It’s just a big, fat coincidence that the guy who owns the road construction company that got the big government contract for rebuilding the expressway, just so happens to be the same guy that made a 30K donation to the campaign fund of the politician in charge of choosing who gets the contract, right? Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

I would say that fighting for your country is actually fighting for the society.

The tree, rivers, mountain, cattle, bear, fish don’t give a damn if you are fighting for them or not. Just fighting for your country sound better then fighting for your society.

So as a MGTOW, why should I fight for my society? Unless my society reward me handsomely it is better to relocate my family.

UK, Canada p~~~ on their heroes, we will see them asking where have all the good heroes gone in the next invasion.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[DocParticipant]

Good point. I like that distinction.

Fighting for your society.

Present day society leave little for us to fight for really I guess but it’s certainly better than many regimes.

What if relocation is not an option? I’m asking rhetorically -I think.

Maybe by fighting for our country we can influence the society it holds? I don’t know.

Just airing my thoughts as I think them.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 42]

I see more to fight against than for!

They turned down a legless veteran that lost his legs in battle (could run on prosthetic legs) for the likes of Sicko Jenner!

What the F~~~ IS THERE WORTH FIGHTING FOR???

LTMFB!

[DocParticipant]

Ok Tower. You convinced me. What the f~~~ was I thinking.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 42]

Doc wrote:

What the f~~~ was I thinking

You weren’t, that’s why I’m here with all my fun filled facts!

[DocParticipant]

I’ll credit you with that my friend.
You certainly keep us straightened.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 42]

Doc wrote:

You certainly keep us straightened.

I think I got my patience from shaping sheet metal. It’s like working with really hard pizza dough. Work it right and amazing shapes start to take place!

[DocParticipant]

I have always been Impressed at how metal works make body panels for cars in that way.
I watched a programme about the craftsmen at Aston Martin. They would take their sons to work with them to teach them the craft. It took years. These boys went on to work with their fathers and eventually taught their own sons. Don’t see that anymore.

I have to say I think it’s a great craft. One I wish I had learned.
I worked in a body shop for a little while when I first left school. I wish I had stuck at it.
I would have enjoyed that more if I could have opened my own shop and built cars.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Doesn’t the UK have free healthcare and free housing for poor people? If that government can help refugees, they can surely afford to help their veterans get a place to stay, psychological counseling, and a job.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[DocParticipant]

FunInTheSun wrote:

Doesn’t the UK have free healthcare and free housing for poor people? If that government can help refugees, they can surely afford to help their veterans get a place to stay, psychological counseling, and a job.

Completely agree. We don’t look after our own so why should we look after others?

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

My family left Wales in the 1600’s
before German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha who go by the name Windsor. With Big Ears Charlie
My father was a B 24 pilot in WW stationed there and was shot down over Germany and a POW for 17 months. He fought for your country.
Mick Jagger wrote
Everywhere I hear the sound of marching, charging feet, boy
‘Cause summer’s here and the time is right for fighting in the street, boy

Hey! think the time is right for a palace revolution, but where I live the game to play is compromise solution
Hey, said my name is called Disturbance; I’ll shout and scream, I’ll kill the King, I’ll rail at all his servants

Well now what can a poor boy do except to sing for a rock & roll band?
Cause in sleepy London Town there’s just no place for a street fighting man, no
and that sums it up.Step up or just sing about it like Sir Mick

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