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Alright because Valentines coming up and I’m tired of playing the game. I have a lot of of female friends some who are fairly attractive and make a career out of their looks and some who just like posting selfies because they like the attention and like every other thirsty male I’d jump at the chance to remind them by commenting or liking. I’ve decided I gotta stop that s~~~ because it completely devalues me and I’m tired of it. I see now why I’m in the perpetual friendzone because they have no interest and my value to them equals zero attraction. So I made one last compliment to them all but also stated I’m done.
If I could give you two thumbs up I would. Believe me, we’ve all been there in some form or another… trying to get some female’s attention by paying her compliments or being there for her… and it rarely, if ever, works.
If I may offer a word of advice about the “friend zone”… females do not put us in the friend zone, we put ourselves there. We see a woman we are attracted to and we attempt to get close to her but she brushes us off. Now at this point, only a total aspie with no mirror neurons at all would not be aware that she is NOT INTERESTED in having an intimate relationship with us… but we want them so badly that we construct a fiction for ourselves that we aren’t really after sex, we just like them and want to be friends. That is how the friend zone is created.
So then we act nice to them and pay them attention and shower them with support and resources and they soak it up. Of course they know we want something from them but they also know we are afraid to openly ask for it out of fear of rejection and losing that slim chance that they keep stringing us along with in order to keep soaking up all our time, energy and resources.
So the females are complicit and aware, but it’s us men who weave the lie that we can be just friends with someone we actually want to be intimate with so it is we who are to blame.
If you want to avoid the friend zone, you must do the following. Next time you see a female that you are attracted to, approach her right away and spend at least five minutes interacting with her about nothing. “Hi, I’m Bob, what brings you to this fine bar, city, planet tonight?” And let her talk. Doesn’t matter what she says, watch her body language. If she’s facing you, looking into your eyes, smiling, touching her hair and then touches your arm, chances are she wants you (does not apply to bartenders, waitresses and shop staff, strippers, etc. they just want your money). If she does few or none of these things, she does not want you.
After the five minutes are up, if you’re getting three or more clear signals of interest, tell her you are going to go have a drink and she should join you RIGHT THEN. If you’re under 21, tell her you’re going some place where you can get a drink and one for her too. If you can’t do even that, you shouldn’t be trying to get laid anyway, kiddo… give it a few years and then try again when you have access to booze. A drink or two relaxes inhibitions and gives a girl cover… Plausible Deniability… so that she can let herself do what she wants to do without feeling slutty about it. Do not offer smoke or drugs… high girls do not want to have sex with you, they just want you to pay for their drugs… and now you’re just trying to buy her ass with dope and that’s lame, go get a pro and save everyone the time and trouble. And if you’re trying to get a female s~~~ty drunk or thinking about rufies or something, turn yourself in and seek professional help now. You are a rapist. Enough said about that… moving along.
Now you’ve made your offer and are about to leave the scene either with her or without her, that’s key. If she acts shocked by your directness and says no then say “Well I’m going for a drink so either join me now or maybe I’ll see you down the road, I’m a regular.” Then walk. No numbers, no facebook, don’t even ask her name. Just walk. If she follows, take her with. If not, keep walking.
If, on the other hand, you aren’t getting any signs of interest after five minutes, just say “Well, it was nice talking with you.” then turn and WALK AWAY! Thats it. No names, no numbers, no hand shakes or second chances of social media links or look backs and definitely no regrets. Don’t even bank it. You did your best and that’s all you could do. Forget her and move on.
Now, if you truly want a female friend that you can dump your time, effort and money onto and maybe cuddle with in a vaguely creepy and totally unsatisfying way, then find someone you’re not at all hot for and hang out with her… but if what you’re really after is to get into a chick’s panties, you should know within five minutes of meeting her if it’s going to happen or not… then create a chance for it to happen or get the f~~~ out. Go talk to some other girl where this one can see you doing it. Let them know you are not afraid of rejection and will not be intimidated or treated like a simp. Do this long enough several times a week (for a few weeks) and you will start to make connections.
Just don’t bulls~~~ yourself and don’t bulls~~~ her. You want her? Make her know it and give her the choice to be with you or not. The friend zone is a no-man’s land of liars and losers and rying to sneak into a sexual relationship through it is foolish and delusional.
HEY! Valentine’s Day? No More. Take a look at the homepage hero area.
Starting in 2015 Feb.14th isn’t Valentine’s Day anymore…It’s INTERNATIONAL MGTOW DAY!!!
…and we are counting down!
That’s how I’m talking about it too:
“Say, what are you doing for International MGTOW Day? I think I’m going to buy myself something nice.”
F~~~ing pass it on!
And welcome to MGTOW.I would agree with Doc completely about the friendzone. Although I have not really been shot down and placed there as brutally as some of my other brothers, (I successfully avoided it like a social disease)…. it is too easy to allow women to do this to you, because they are not even aware they are doing it themselves. Half the time, the friend zone is an innocent mistake and you think your not harming yourself. But it’s very bad for you.
EXAMPLE:
One ex who I haven’t spoken to in many years saw I was on Facebook years ago but I never friended her. I had all these mutual friends on it – except her. She sent me a bunch of friend requests but I never responded or accepted any of them. She had HUNDREDS of “friends”. Then one day I got an email “hey! if you want to add me on Facebook…..”
(cleverly worded , don’t you think? “if YOU want to friend me…” as if it would be MY idea)
On the surface, it looks innocent , and you might be inclined to say “why not?” but there are a MILLION reasons why not, and the first reason is just the way she asked! (Slippery ego-maniac bitch. “if YOU want to friend me…” Please!) Even if she had said “I so badly want to be in touch” but she didn’t. She wanted +1 orbiter for her collection and she knows I am not the type. I never responded. No friend request. And every day her email was unanswered, it was driving her MAD. I kept interacting with other mutual friends and she could see the lols and comments with my name on them, but she was never going to get the satisfaction out of tossing me into her friend’s bin thinking I WANT to be there. No f~~~ing way. She can offer to blow me, and even then, I’m not going in her friend’s bin.
Now I am not even on that piece of s~~~ facenbook anymore – for almost 4 years now. She can’t even keep tabs on me remotely. That’s just one example.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Brilliant idea on INTERNATIONAL MGTOW DAY KeyMaster! That would be so f~~~ing radical to co-opt that date on the calendar in a way that creates significant buzz! Perhaps a YT video from a known MGTOW lightning rod? Ideally it would proliferate on the web and manosphere like wildfire.
The vid could be a short introdction to the co-opting of that particular date followed by a series of news-style interviews with individual MGTOWs about their plans for that special date.
“So Joe, what are your special plans for International MGTOW Day?”
“Well Bob…I am treating myself to a nice rib-eye dinner followed by a good single malt scotch at the cigar bar. Then I will head to the strip club for a hooter review followed by 3 hours of debauchery with a pair of $500/night prostitutes. Then I am going to IHOP and eat pancakes.”
This has potential written all over it!
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...EXACTLY what I’m talking about. We’re gonna bump the international MGTOW Day thing to the front on FEB 1 with a great big countdown. Nobody will miss it. And we will ring in the FIRST INTERNATIONAL MGTOW DAY like a goddam New Year.
Strike that. A new Millennium.
We’re gonna take submissions from members just like you suggest.
“What are your planes for International MGTOW Day?”Then we will cycle through them like a slide show.
• “Gonna buy myself a BIG Bunch of roses”
• “Gonna buy myself a RoleX Daytona. Black face. $12,000”
• “Gonna treat my car to a $300 detail”
• “Gonna buy myself some expensive shoes”
• “Gonna buy a whopping 60-inch 4K TV”… you get the idea.
Everything but wasting money on women. Not only are we going to “boycott Valentine’s Day”… we’re gonna f~~~ing RENAME it . It doesn’t f~~~ing EXIST anymore.
Women are actually so selfish that they would rather allow a child slave to die in Africa (where diamonds come from) than give up just one of their precious Valentine’s Day presents and extravagant meals. Women ruined Feb 14th with their selfishness.
According to some commercials I’ve seen, it costs only pennies a day to improve the lives of impoverished African children. Pennies a day is a maximum of four pennies. If it cost five pennies a day to save starving children, then they would just say a “nickel” because that’s shorter to say, and the saved commercial air time could be turned into food.
13.7 billion dollars will be wasted this year on Valentine’s Day to please and appease women JUST so she can get a gift out of OBLIGATION because it says FEB 14 on the calendar. …. divided by four pennies is 342 trillion starving African children. I don’t need to check a globe to know there are less than that many starving African children in Africa. There aren’t even that many starving African children in the whole world.
You see my point. That princess you’re buying a puppy for next month is taking a puppy’s worth of meals out of the mouths of kids halfway across the world. And she loves every second of it. Here’s another statistic I found:
The average amount a man will spend on Feb 14th is $134.62
The average amount a woman spends is $65.64(Isn’t that called a pay gap?)
Women don’t even know how expensive flowers are. A dozen roses is like eighty dollars. Does it make her a whore because it’s over forty bucks? Don’t be absurd. It makes her a whore for accepting them in the first place. If women were really so packed full of compassion and nurturing, then the most wasteful holiday of the year wouldn’t be dedicated to them. If women were stuffed with any caring at all, Valentine’s Day would be about volunteering at the local homeless shelter. It would be about buying a star and naming it after her, except instead of a star it would be a short bus full of starving African kids.
Valentine’s Day is the biggest waste in history.
But who cares? Women sure don’t. They’re selfish as hell.If you want to find out exactly how selfish a woman is, don’t do ANYTHING for her on FEB 14th. Nothing. Then on Feb 15th, offer to do something nice – like buy her a cheeseburger. The % of p~~~ed off she is… is the % of selfish bitch she is.
I’m gonna start a big dedicated thread on this on JAN 14th where members can chime in on what they are doing for INTERNATIONAL MGTOW DAY. So get your creative juices flowing.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.WoW! I have been on this planet for almost half a century and this is the FIRST time I have ever been giddy about Feb. 14! Weeeeeeee!
On a more somber note, I absolutely agree with everything you mentioned about the perspective (or lack thereof) that most wimmen have. Seriously, it disturbs me to the core of my soul to see any child in need or suffering. That is my Achilles heel.
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...Damn right. For the first time in like 1500 years, Men everywhere are gonna be F~~~ING THRILLED about Feb 14th. We’re changing the world, man. Enjoy.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Well Bob… I am treating myself to a nice rib-eye dinner followed by a good single malt scotch at the cigar bar. Then I will head to the strip club for a hooter review followed by 3 hours of debauchery with a pair of $500/night prostitutes. Then I am going to IHOP and eat pancakes.
I actually laughed out loud. Unfortunately you can’t go to a good steak house in Las Vegas on MGTOW day because all the females think they’re bosses now and want to eat up the steak and smoke and drink the cigars and scotch themselves. So places like Herbs & Rye and the Golden Steer do s~~~ty set menus and run themselves ragged.
As for me, I’m gonna get a new tire carrier and trailer brake controller for my jeep… and if I’m lucky, my new teardrop trailer will arrive… and then I’ll take myself and my telescope out to drink champagne and look at the stars. I can’t wait for the cashier at the liquor store to look at the $200 bottle of Dom and be impressed… “Ooh, someone’s going to be a happy lady tonight!” “Nu-uh, sister… it’s all for me and maybe I’ll pour some out for comet Lovejoy.”
You’re in Vegas? I go there just for the Chilean Sea Bass at Tao. It’s that good. That…. and Blackjack. AND I take my good shoes & boots with me because the shoe-shine guy at the Bellagio is the best in the 48 states.
Bookmarked your suggestion and will be collecting them for the feature!
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Yeah, I’m a regular local and everything. I’ll have to go try out that sea bass.
Next time you’re here, give me a shout. I’m not proposing a MGTOW meet up or anything (feminists would feel the disturbance in the force if more than one of us was knowingly in the same place at the same time) but I’m always happy to have visitors and an excuse to go romp around a casino for an evening.
Thanks for the word of advice Docfenders.
You’re right about putting myself in the friendzone. Honestly I’m not sure how to and come to think of it every sexual encounter I’ve had the girl was the one who initiated it. Crashing at a friend’s place after a party just about to go to bed I had some girl come in and straddle me. And I was like Oh ok I guess we are doing it. Had it been reversed it probably would have been seen as rapey. I don’t always want sex with a girl right away. I’d rather get to know them a little before I put my dick in them just so I’m not dealing with some crazy chick unfortunately the more they know me the more i’m a friend rather than a potential sex partner. In my mind i’m like f~~~ why can’t I be both? I guess I could try the love and leave em approach.
Attracting girls shouldn’t be a problem it used to but I’ve learned and used some of this pua tactics in real life and I always get some form of contact, phone, email. fb etc. I’m also decent with reading the body language. I haven’t tried the going out for a drink thing right there though. Its always something like coffee later which is bad because it realize now sets me up for rejection or doubt later. Sex first connection later. If I give them connection before sex they have no reason to give up sex.
I’m in my 30’s but unfortunately I still live with my dad. My mom passed away and he was a wreck and financially I had to be supportive because he also has a gambling problem. My family was poor to begin with so my living situation was never viable for hooking up unfortunately and I’m self conscious about not being wealthy. Looks, Money, Status right? Right now I’m hoping that changes because I’m moving out.
I once had a cougar hit on me in the theater and we went for drink. I had her interest until she started asking personal questions about me which I wasn’t willing to answer and when I finally confessed about where I lived that interest seemed to drop. That goes for most girls i’ve interacted with. It bothers me that a girl will never be interested in just me. If girls suddenly start showing interest in me when I suddenly have any lms then I’m gonna be really bitter about the opposite sex.
I’m totally down for international Mgtow day instead of Valentines. I used to get chocolates for my coworker’s just because I’m nice but I don’t feel appreciated enough when I do that. They just stuff their fat faces. F~~~ I’m still gonna get those chocolates and eat that s~~~ in front of them. Also having to deal with couples on vday p~~~es me off. I wanna go some place nice to eat its hard to find a place and I gotta be surrounded by these couples. It ruins my meal completely. Telling my guy friends about this and we’ll probably plan something to do.
Count me in!
Edit: The home page update is awesome. Kudos to KeyMaster and the whole creative team!!
Mayor of MGTOWN did a video:
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
LunaticReason: you sound like a good man with a solid world view and a kind heart… the kind of dude females say they want to be with but then never do. I’ve been there.. I’m sure a lot of us have.
Your living situation doesn’t sound too bad, really… not having a private place to take someone can be troublesome but you can turn that to your advantage by just renting a weekly suites kind of hotel room or borrowing a friend’s place or even doing it in your car… and tell them you’re in transition… some things went down, I’m looking for something new, not too worried about it, you know. Makes it easier to split if things go bad.
Re: get to know them before sex… I hear you there. Everyone says the crazies are the best in bed but I actually kind of like having sex with females whose company I enjoy and even respect a bit. You could say I like some quality in my quantity, so I usually will not advance too quickly, third to fifth meeting is good enough for me… enough time to see her for what she is without having to do too much boring ass talking or “trauma bonding” where I hear all her s~~~ty family stories, just enough to know if she’s got daddy issues we can work out together (okay by me!) or if she’s the type that’s likely to try to cut my penis off while I’m sleeping.
But coffee dates will kill it. It turns you into a daytime provider of sustinence. C~~~tails or beers are best. You can still talk, but now it’s dark and the shields are lowered and it can lead somewhere, even if it’s just make outs and a quick handle in the ladie’s room. I doubt that ever happens at Starbucks.
Where I think you really nailed it, though, is the “sex first, connection later” thing. Females want connection to make sex permissible for them whereas men need sex to make a connection worth investing in. Our connections are so much more risky for us in terms of what we will be willing to give and what can be taken from us, whereas their sex is much more risky to them in terms of what reputation or physical damage it can do to them. The trick is to balance the risk on both sides and take enough time to build enough connection while getting to sex fast enough that the two can really be great. There’s a good crossover point there at about date 4 that can cement the connection and make the sex awesome… both of which can fizzle if you wait too long for them.
I like connection too, just be sure to be hitting the bases as you’re building up the connection. I’m not the pump and dump type of guy (no judgement on them, of course) so I find this works best for me, Light conversation about interests + touching hands, arms and safe zones. Deeper conversation about family and beliefs + kissing. Real talk about desires and deal breakers + petting. Ideals about future events, travel, real estate and investing + oral. Road trips, adventure activities, trauma bonding + penetration. If she’s telling you her traumatic experiences about her friends getting killed and her uncle diddling her and you’re still at kissing, you’ve gone off the rails… but if you’re f~~~ing and you don’t even know if she has a pet, much less a family, you’re probably not going to care to remember her name.
And finally I’d say you need to stop going for females that do all the work for you. The cougar, the crawl into your bed party girls… it sounds cool and easy, even low risk for you but it isn’t. Those are the ones who will f~~~ you up the most. Take charge of your situation, decide what you want and who you want it from then go out and ask for it. You take the risk of rejection up front but you get control and power in your life… and you get confidence and a sense of responsibility and that will really help.
Whatever else may be going on in your life, you’d clearly too good a person to allow yourself to just take whatever other people will give to you. Go out and get what you want.
I like Keymaster’s idea of buying a cheeseburger but I think if you’re going to do Valentines Day, it should be done right; taking a woman out, buying a meal and giving her a present. So the ideal Valentines Day is taking her to the McDonald’s drive through, buying her a happy meal, and if she behaves herself, allow her to keep the toy.
With consumerism whipping women up into a spending frenzy, I’ve opted out of all that, and prefer to simply not spend anything, and THAT will get big business worried. Having said that, I suppose it’s a bit hypocritical that I’ve adapted Singles Day (Nov.11) to buy myself something, but I don’t do any other gifts through the year so it’s a one time thing for me.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham
WRONG!
MGTOW day is coming!
Buy yourself stuff and have fun while you don’t have to go see 50 Shades of S~~~.
Edit: I’m buying this:
http://parksabers.com/arcwave.html
Fuck this planet.YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!
I see you’ve constructed a new light saber.
Your skills are compleeeeeeeeTT.
Indeed you are powerful as the Emperor has forseen.I used to own this one. Sold it on Ebay like 8 years ago for twice what I paid. Almost wish I still had it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Didn’t know roses are eighty bucks, mindblowing. I’m thinking about getting a good bottle and hanging out with my friends, 2 guys I’ve known since third grade, or spending that day in the woods, hiking, since being outdoors is my favorite thing. I’ll possibly take my Glock to the range, otherwise. Eighty bucks will buy me 4 or 5 boxes of 9mm. Practice and fun is putting that money to much better use.
I am gonna write about what it is like to be born on MGTOW day. National man going his own way day. Who was it decided to choose this day? and how did it come about? I want to give thanks to them personally, because I cannot express enough how much better I feel about my upcoming birthday. I have dreaded and never looked forward to my birthday. Not sure yet what form to use essay, poem or maybe a declaration of some sort. I am sure I want to honor those who came up with this great idea. Please give me the screen names of the great founding fathers of “NATIONAL MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY DAY”
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
I’ll send my female relatives a nice email, one email with them all on CC. That’ll do for my human interaction obligations.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
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