The wisdom of the Ancient

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

For Ancientwisdom who gave me a passionate un-lubricated
screwing..HA! HA! HA!

The Ancients

Since tradition once gave our pre-christian ancestors the name of “the ancients,” we won’t advance it against them that, in comparison with us experienced people, they actually should be called children, and instead still honor them as our fine ancients. But how have they come to be out of date, and who could edge them out with his alleged newness?

We know the revolutionary innovator and disrespectful heir well, who himself profaned the sabbath of the fathers to sanctify his Sunday, and interrupted the flow of time to begin a new era with himself; we know him and recognize that he is – the Christian. But does he stay forever young, and is he still the new one today, or will he also be surpassed, as he surpassed the “ancients”?

The ancients themselves were the ones who gave birth to the young one who carried them to the grave. So let’s eavesdrop on this procreative act.

Seeing now that the two sides consider opposite things to be truth, the one side the natural, the other the spiritual, the one side earthly things and relations, the other heavenly (the heavenly fatherland, the “Jerusalem that is above,” etc.), it still remains to be seen how the now time and that undeniable reversal could arise out of antiquity. But the ancients themselves worked to make their truth a lie.

Let’s plunge straight away into the midst of the most brilliant years of the ancients, into the century of Pericles. That’s when sophistic culture proliferated, and Greece pursued as an amusement what had hitherto been a hugely serious matter to her.

The fathers had been enslaved by the power of unshaken existence for too long for the descendants not to have to learn from bitter experience to feel themselves. Thus, the sophists, with courageous impudence, speak the encouraging words, “don’t be perplexed!” and spread the enlightening teaching, “use your reason, your wit, your mind, against everything; with good and practiced reasoning one gets on best in the world, prepares for himself the best lot, the most pleasant life.” They recognize in the mind the human being’s real weapon against the world. This is why they so strongly hold to dialectical agility, language skills, the art of disputation, etc. They proclaim that the mind is to be used against everything; but they are still far from the holiness of the mind, because they value it as a means, a weapon, just as cunning and defiance serve children for the same purpose; their mind is incorruptible reason.

Nowadays we would call this a one-sided intellectual education, and would add this admonition, “don’t just cultivate your intellect, but also, and especially your heart.” Socrates did the same. For if the heart was not freed from its natural impulses, but remained filled with the most random contents, and as an uncriticized covetousness, completely in the power of things, i.e., nothing but a vessel for various appetites, then it was inevitable that the free intellect would serve the “bad heart” and was ready to justify everything that the wicked heart desired.

Therefore Socrates said that it wasn’t enough to use the intellect in all things, but it was important to know for which cause one was exerting it. We would now say: one must serve the “good cause.” But to serve the good cause is – to be moral. Thus, Socrates is the founder of ethics.

Certainly the principle of sophistry had to lead to this, that the blindest and most dependent slave of his desires might still be an excellent sophist, and, with intellectual sharpness, lay out and prune everything in favor of his crude heart. What could there be for which one couldn’t find a “good reason,” and which one wouldn’t let oneself struggle through?

Therefore, Socrates says: you must be “pure of heart,” if one is to respect your wisdom.

This is where the second period of Greek intellectual liberation begins, the period of purity of heart. The first came to its end with the sophists, because they proclaimed the omnipotence of reason. But the heart remained worldly-minded, remained a slave of the world, always affected by worldly desires. From now on, this crude heart was to be molded: the era of the education of the heart. But how is the heart to be molded? What reason, that one side of the mind, achieved, namely the ability to play freely with and above all content, the heart also approaches this; everything worldly must come to shame before it so that finally one gives up family, community, fatherland, etc., for the heart, i.e., for blessedness, the blessedness of the heart.

Socrates opened this war, and its peaceful end does not occur until the dying day of the old world.

As long as the human being is involved in the turmoil of life and entangled in relations to the world – and he is so up to the end of antiquity, because his heart still has to struggle for independence from the worldly – for so long he is not spirit; because spirit is bodiless, and has no relation to the world and physicality; the world and natural ties do not exist for it, but only the spiritual and spiritual ties. Therefore, the human being must first become so ruthless and reckless, so completely disconnected, as he is represented in skeptical education, so utterly indifferent to the world that its collapse would not touch him, before he can feel himself as worldless, i.e., as spirit. And this is the result of the vast effort of the ancients: that the human being knows himself as an essence without relations or world, as spirit.

Only now, after all worldly care has left him, is he all in all, only for himself, i.e., spirit for for the spirit, or, more clearly, he cares only for the spiritual.

In the Christian wisdom of serpents and innocence of doves, the two sides of the ancient spiritual liberation are so perfected that they seem young and new again, and neither one lets itself be perplexed by the worldly and natural any more.

The ancient sharpness and depth of perception lies as far from the spirit and the spirituality of the Christian world as earth lies from heaven.

One who feels himself to be a free spirit does not get depressed or frightened by the things of this world, because he has no respect for them; if one still feels their burden, he must be narrow-minded enough to give them weight, as is evidently the case, when one is still concerned for his “dear life.” But life turned away from things, spiritual life, no longer draws any nourishment from nature, but rather “lives only on thoughts,” and so is no longer “life,” but – thinking.

So what was antiquity seeking? The true enjoyment of life, the pleasure of living! In the end it will prove to be “the true life.”

The Greek poet Simonides sings: “Health is the noblest good for mortal man, the next one after this is beauty, the third is wealth acquired without guile, the fourth the enjoyment of social pleasures in the company of young friends.” These are all the good things of life, the joys of life. What else was Diogenes of Sinope looking for if not the true enjoyment of life, which he found in having the least possible wants? What else Aristippus, who found it in good spirits under every circumstance? They are seeking for cheerful, unclouded courage to face life, for cheerfulness; they are seeking to “be of good cheer.”

The Stoics want to realize the sage, the man with life wisdom, the man who knows how to live, therefore, a wise life; he finds him in contempt for the world, in life without development, without expansion, without friendly interactions with the world, i.e., in the isolated life, in life as life, not in life with others; only the Stoic lives, all else is dead for him. The Epicureans, on the other hand, require a moving life.

Even the Stoic attitude and manly virtue only go this far, that one has to maintain and assert oneself against the world; and the ethics of the Stoic (their only science, since they could tell nothing of the spirit except how it should behave toward the world, and of nature [physics] only that the wise have to assert themselves against it) is not a teaching of the spirit, but only a teaching of repulsion of the world and self-assertion against the world. And this consists in “imperturbability and equanimity of life,” and so in the most explicit Roman virtue.

The Romans (Horace, Cicero, etc.) took it no further than this life wisdom.

This the same life wisdom the Stoics teach, only craftier, more deceitful. They only teach another behavior against the world, only admonish taking a cunning attitude against the world; the world must be deceived, because it is my enemy.

So antiquity finishes with the world of things, with the world order, with the world as a whole; but it isn’t just nature that belongs to the world order or to the things of this world, but all the relationships into which the human being feels that nature places him, e.g., the family, the community, in short the so-called “natural bonds.” Then Christianity begins with the world of the spirit. The person who still stands on guard against the world is the ancient, the – heathen (to which the Jew too, as a non-Christian, belongs); the person who is guided by nothing except his “heart’s desire,” his sympathy, his compassion, his – spirit, is the modern, the – Christian.

As the ancients worked toward the conquest of the world and strive to release human beings from the heavy, entangling bonds of relationship with others, so they came at last to the disintegration of the state and the preference for everything private. Communities, families, etc., as natural relationships, are tiresome inhibitions which curtail my spiritual freedom.

Using three questions and eye to eye contact,
I can view the contents of earthly human hearts.

Love and respect to all even that prick Ancientwisdom.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[UntamedParticipant]

It’s a good read, harpomason.
Too bad this thread was spurred on by a desire to get even with Ancientwisdom.

If we Men can’t even be patient and tolerant of our brother then what right do we have to demand it from the C~~~s?

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Untame wrote:It’s a good read, harpomason.
Too bad this thread was spurred on by a desire to get even with Ancientwisdom.

If we Men can’t even be patient and tolerant of our brother then what right do we have to demand it from the C~~~s?

Ancientwisdom was joking with me and I knew it.
so this was my way of returning the favor.

I love all you guys without prejudice and my skin
is like armor. I really have no juice buttons within
the reach of earthly humans! HA! HA!

I know my post are over the heads
of at-least half the guys here,
so it is good to hear an appreciative word.

I like to read so a long topic
does not bother me to tackle.
I look up the words I am unfamiliar
with and try my best to understand
what is being said.
Many others don’t bother taking the time for that.

Thanks for the reply.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 38]

Excellent read. A reminder not to become so ‘Stoic’ that one forgets to live.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Mgtow_taoist wrote:Excellent read. A reminder not to become so ‘Stoic’ that one forgets to live.

exactly and natural relationships are impossible
to avoid so my christian beliefs are necessary for
my spiritual health.

I cannot harbor anything but
love for everyone on earth for that is my Ticket
to the spiritual realm and stoic peace.

I found the understanding needed
to love those who line up as my enemy.

Instead of looking at them as enemies I use love
to attempt winning them over.

This is why I had to separate Female humans and women
the same way I separate male humans and men.

selfish Human beings both genders are here on earth.
They are with a single human spirit.
the spirit of selfishness.

Selfless men and women are with me in the spiritual
realm (heaven on earth) They are Multi spirited beings.

Able to much better read human natural instinct
and accurately predict the path of humanity.

spiritually inspired man wrote the Bible
as Code for the spiritually guided to unravel.
Breaking the code of heavenly law above the
nations of this earthly natural realm.

One nation will stand under God or perish
fighting in the spirit of and for those
who died before to build it.

Jesus is our superglue of love
connecting us to our forefathers above.
As the spiritual host Jesus allows
us to keep alive at least the spirits
of our loved ones and gives strong evidence
to the spiritual afterlife in the kingdom
of heaven.

When my earthly father died My spirit
died with him. My human spirit was lost.
I existed that way but I could not live
that way.

So many do not understand the true meaning
of the words:
Many are called but few are chosen.

Many (spirits) are called (for guidance)
Few are chosen, (to come back
and do the lords work.)

My earthly father has been chosen because
without his spirit I am with nothing
more to live for.

Taking my faith is taking all that I have
and half of what I am.
(all Humans are half male and half female)

This is why the Christian soldier is ready
to die for his cause. He will die for the
name of Jesus alone.

Love and respect

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

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