The sorry state of Europe.

[DisillusionedEnglishmanParticipant 4]

As an Englishman and obviously also a European, it worries me to see the events on the continent. I particularly worry for countries such as Germany and the Netherlands. I fear they are going ‘full Sweden’. I am aware that this site is full of lads with a broad array of political opinions and beliefs, so it’d be nice to hear some thoughts.

The ‘refugee’ (migrant) crisis is the biggest problem we’ve faced since the Second World War. It wouldn’t be so much of a problem if the migrants were coming from countries that had similar cultures, even if they were much poorer. For example, Britain has had a large number of Polish immigrants settle here since 2004, with the numbers steadily increasing yearly. But the vast majority are hard working people who integrate well and learn English as soon as possible. They enjoy living here and are thankful for the chance to do so. However, as we’ve seen with Sweden, immigrants from other countries don’t tend to integrate so well. It tends to be that the migrants who fail to integrate most are the ones from majority Muslim countries. And the current migrant crisis includes people coming from Eritrea, Sudan, Pakistan and Afghanistan, as well as the genuine refugees from Syria. Will these people integrate into European societies? Furthermore, will they even try? We shall see.

[bachelor4goodParticipant 170]

The following article gives an insightful statement on this topic. The following excerpt describes the current state we live in here in Germany.

…
As long as you have war, you will have refugees, and since it doesn’t look like the USA, with Germany and others in tow, is about to cease causing mass chaos and carnage, this refugee crisis is just beginning. When ordinary Germans dare to challenge Berlin’s diktats, however, they risk being branded as Nazis, Rechtsextreme, braune Esoteriker, Altnazis, Pack, Dunkeldeutschland, Faschisten, Neonazis, or Neofaschisten, etc.

Just as with Germany’s self-destructive fealty to the US and Israel, there is no frank discussion here about its refugee policies. Those with questions or grievances, then, are forced to become increasingly strident as they scream from the fringe. Brushed aside and demonized, they might just become the hysterical berserkers they’re already caricatured as. Should xenophobic outbursts explode down the line, they can be traced back to this initial suppression of dialogue.
…

I´m not sure what will happen in the near future, but the signs that there will be trouble are growing significantly.

IDGAF

[Anonymous 42]

All ya can do is migrate yourself! GET THE F~~~ OUT OF THE WAY! MOVE BEFORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOES TO HELL!
I once lived in a pretty rough part of the city when I was growing up, now it’s a war zone! I MOVED! It’s YOUR LIFE that hangs in the balance! It’s YOUR PROPERTY that will be destroyed and made worthless as others burn down in the neglect and frustration, eventually consuming all properties to become a vast land of destruction.
Some cultures build and improve, while others create and live in rubble!
Do you want to avoid living hell on earth in your person, property, and tangible goods???
IT’S YOUR CHOICE………..
Live in the advancing flames of HELL,,,,,,, OR,,,,,,,
GET——————-THE F~~~—————–OUT!

[bachelor4goodParticipant 170]

I get your advice, MG-Tower, from a rational point of view, but moving elsewhere is not really an option.

1st migrating to another country won´t help. IMO there are less countries where there are no future problems coming.
2nd if there´s trouble your the stranger with no or less options compared to a local.
3rd migrating from your homeland, where you were born and raised, just because there´s trouble ahead is for cowards.

These people who fled the war in their countries, especially these hordes of young man, are exactly that… cowards! I´m not willing to leave my country just because there are politicians and migrants that try to ruin us.

Don´t tread on me!!!

IDGAF

[Anonymous 3]

bachelor4good wrote:

migrating from your homeland, where you were born and raised, just because there´s trouble ahead is for cowards.
These people who fled the war in their countries, especially these hordes of young man, are exactly that… cowards!

This is right up there with some of the most “unMGTOW” comments I’ve read on this forum. Way to rationalize your idiotic nationalism “us vs them” nonsense.

[HitmanParticipant]

18 to 43 year old men who run from their country , instead of FIGHTING for their own freedom ARE cowards ! if that aint cowardice then what is ?

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

bachelor4good wrote:

Don´t tread on me!!!

We’ll see. I know some people who like to say that, but I doubt they will ever do anything. They’ll just adjust their standard once they are about to be treaded on. Whenever I hear that phrase, I think of Rush Limbaugh who thinks he is some alternative bad boy patriot who doesn’t take any s~~~, but he isn’t. Is she upset you called her a slut? Make an apology. Think the country is going to s~~~? Complain about and don’t actually do anything. Who is more of a coward, the guy who runs away from his country or the guy who stays and acts tough while not really doing anything but complain?

P.S. This isn’t necessarily aimed at you, I’m just thinking back on some people I’ve met who have said similar things. If someone thinks he has a better chance in another country leaves, how is he a coward? I think Tungus Khan is right, that’s just nationalism.

[RoyDalParticipant]

They are invaders. They are not migrants. The fact that it is relatively bloodless does not make it any less an invasion.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[bachelor4goodParticipant 170]

Well, it´s ok for me, if we have a different view on that issue! As far as I´m concerned, nationalism isn´t a bad thing at all. I would even go so far to say it is, to certain degree, necessary for a population to thrive. The effects of a lack of this are going to lead to civil unrest.

IDGAF

[NioZenParticipant 856]

bachelor4good wrote:

I
These people who fled the war in their countries, especially these hordes of young man, are exactly that… cowards! I´m not willing to leave my country just because there are politicians and migrants that try to ruin us.

The First World War, do you know why it happened? Was it a romantic and patriotic defence of the home land? Well, let me give you a few hints.

During the start of the 1900s, it was realised in Britain that oil would be the game changer. At that time, warships ran on coal, which would take weeks to refuel, and huge amounts of manpower. Not only that, but the coal fired smoke stack could be seen from miles away, announcing a warship’s presence long before it arrived. One or two forward looking men campaigned in the Houses of Parliament and the House of Lords that Britain would need an oil based strategy to remain economically and politically dominant. Britain’s empire had been built by Naval power, and the advantages of oil over coal would by just as important for industry.

Germany was overtaking Britain in economic might. The Germans were eager to construct the Berlin-Baghdad railway, which would bring oil to Germany and further secure their dominance on the world stage. Britain couldn’t stand for that. Something had to be done about Germany.

There was a problem though. In the years before the war, Britain was broke. They needed a lot of funding to run a campaign. Enter JP Morgan and friends. Deals were struck, JP Morgan and a handful other US financiers would back the war, in return for munitions contracts, military equipment contracts and various other spoils of war such as re-construction contracts on the European mainland.

The only remaining obstacle was that the US had no central bank which made it risky and difficult to raise the remaining funds, but following a meeting in 1910 of US and European financiers, the Fed was born, and now plans could go ahead.

Britain and her allies went to war. Whilst Britain’s French allies were tied up and bled dry in a war of attrition all along the Maginot line, Britain took the opportunity to move 1,400,000 troops into the eastern theatre to take advantage of the weak Turkish Empire and begin to shore up territory in the east.

Things seemed to be going well, but under the Bolshevik regime Russia withdrew from the war, causing Britain to lose a key ally. Suddenly the outcome was not so certain. JP Morgan and the rest of the financiers in the US looked like they would be eating some huge losses if Britain actually lost the war, which of course, couldn’t be allowed to happen.

The solution? In 1915, the US entered the war.

The most bloody conflict in the history of mankind had very, very little to do with patriotism, but it was a theme that was used to shame men into dying for corporate greed.

WW1 war poet Wilfred Owen, from ‘Dulce et decorum est’:

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori

(it is sweet and fitting to die for your country)

Yes, I know it doesn’t mention any of this in those history books you read in school, but who is history written by?

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

bachelor4good wrote:

As far as I´m concerned, nationalism isn´t a bad thing at all. I would even go so far to say it is, to certain degree, necessary for a population to thrive. The effects of a lack of this are going to lead to civil unrest.

This is were we disagree, and yes that’s cool with me too. I don’t care about the state and if the lack of one leads to a population falling apart, so be it (though I don’t think it’s necessary for a population to thrive). Whether it’s religion, nationalism, marriage, or whatever; it is there so people stop thinking about themeselves and get dupped into serving something or someone else. I am all about the individual, and if it serves an individua’ls best interest, then let him leave his country…. even if it does hurt the nation.

[bachelor4goodParticipant 170]

I agree with your historical excerpt, Lucifer! The situation we´re in right now has the same roots.

IDGAF

[bachelor4goodParticipant 170]

See, Tiga, I care about what will happen to my country and the people I live with. I´m about individualism too, but not in a way that I´m willing to say, f~~~ it, let everything fall apart. Imo that´s not individualism, that´s plain selfish. No offense!

And, it´s a whole different thing to decide to move to another country, work and add some value to it, than moving to participate without the willingness to contribute.

IDGAF

[NioZenParticipant 856]

DisillusionedEnglishman wrote:

As an Englishman…

You should have a read of ‘The Establishment’ by Owen Jones. He suggests the immigration ‘problem’ is a convenient distraction from criminality at the highest levels in British politics and finance. Never waste a crisis, right?

I think you’ll like it, but it will make you pretty angry (trigger warning, lol)

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[Anonymous 42]

bachelor4good wrote:

1st migrating to another country won´t help. IMO there are less countries where there are no future problems coming.
2nd if there´s trouble your the stranger with no or less options compared to a local.
3rd migrating from your homeland, where you were born and raised, just because there´s trouble ahead is for cowards.

Hey bachelor-4-good, you misunderstood me, I didn’t necessary mean fleeing your country (unless it got that bad), I meant your neighborhood, province, or state, I keep forgetting in Europe a 24 hour drive means you drove through several countries, whereas in the U.S. (Western US) you only went through 2 or 3 states!
What I’m saying is the future holds misery and suffering for those who don’t flee, or in my case lots of blood and carnage as I would likely get covert and preemptive on their asses. It’s the rule of survival, fight, flee, or take it up the ass and suck their dicks! Sticking around will only get you hurt, bloody, or both!
It’s like seeing a meteor coming, knowing the damage it’s gonna cause, then standing there with the choice to dig in like a sewer rat, face annihilation, “OR” walk the f~~~ away and let the flames warm your back (MGTOW)….
Be your own cartridge, eject the scene for a more serene and worry free life.
Another thing, it always starts out slowly with one or two houses where they’re loaded with undesirables, then the desirable folks move out, as more undesirables move in, and eventually (like American cities) THE HOUSES MOVE OUT, THE EMPTY LOTS MOVE IN! and the cancer spreads…….

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

bachelor4good wrote:

See, Tiga, I care about what will happen to my country and the people I live with. I´m about individualism too, but not in a way that I´m willing to say, f~~~ it, let everything fall apart. Imo that´s not individualism, that´s plain selfish. No offense!
And, it´s a whole different thing to decide to move to another country, work and add some value to it, than moving to participate without the willingness to contribute.

I say a good individualist is selfish in the sense that a person places themselves as the priority and let everyone else take care of themselves. I think a nationalistic person is selfish in the sense that they want to force their group’s beliefs and culture onto all of their members. A person’s value is not placed onto how well they serve the state, and I don’t think a person is selfish for rejecting that idea.

[Anonymous 25]

The state broke the social contract when they brought in gynocentric laws and allowed men to be rinsed and abused in custody and divorce and false allegations etc. Honest and just men owe nothing to a corrupt gynocentric state. Let it collapse and be replaced by something new, however that happens. The solution is for those who respect the rule of law, truth, justice and liberty to stick together. The 17th century enlightenment philosophers are the best example. That led to the French Revolution and American Independence. Made possible by men who upheld the Rule of Law.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

I’m too busy at work to write an opinion on this, but I want to tell you that I’m loving the thread and especially the civilized responses given the topic and differing opinions.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[HitmanParticipant]

the moors were pushed out of europe through battle , sacrifice and death .was that WRONG to have defended your homeland ? when governments FAIL to honor it’s citizens and allow hordes to invade ..the people have a duty to revolt and THAT is clear in history .sharia law ? F~~~ THAT !

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Hitman wrote:

the moors were pushed out of europe through battle , sacrifice and death .was that WRONG to have defended your homeland ? when governments FAIL to honor it’s citizens and allow hordes to invade ..the people have a duty to revolt and THAT is clear in history .sharia law ? F~~~ THAT !

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that as long as the persons involved had a choice. If someone wants to abandon their country because of war I don’t think that’s wrong either. We can’t choose our homeland, and we don’t owe it any duties.

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