The reason we celebrate Independence Day.

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    Jeremiah Johnson
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    I recently read most American’s do not have a any idea why we celebrate the 4th of July. I thought it important to remind some of us. The thirteen colonies were breaking away from their oppressors in Britain. This is a transcript of that declaration. Please take a moment to read it, to yourself, to your children.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
    He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

    In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

    We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

    Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

    #76707
    Jeremiah Johnson
    Jeremiah Johnson
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    Of the 56 signatures on the Declaration of Independence take a guess at how many were women?

    Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

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    Buford
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    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

    Being British i’d never actually read or had reason to read the Declaration. I’ve heard snippets of course but it’s not something that we were taught when I was in school.

    First time i’ve read all of that.

    That is one beautiful piece of writing.

    "This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

    #76747
    FrankOne
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    No women signed it because women did not vote and did not participate in bodies of representative democracy in the 18th century.  41 signatories were slaveholders.  Obviously, no black man signed the Declaration nor did any native Americans.

    The States determined who could vote, and that was typically, land owning white males.  In some States, non-Christians were barred from holding public office — for the first few decades after the Revolution.

    I applaud the Constitution but recognize it as an imperfect creation of man.

    That said, taking even the Federal income tax, if I make even $75K, I’m taxed at about 20%!  Go back to 1913 and it was 1%.  So we are taxed at far higher levels than the British taxed us when we revolted (indeed, the Colonies paid LOW taxes compared to to the rest of the Empire; we were subsidized).

    Of course, the Revolution was also about representation.  Now what I’d like to see is for non-military government employees to lose the right to vote.  Teachers, bureaucrats, etc voting contributes to big government.  Non-working people voting contributes to big government.

    I predict the US will go down like Greece eventually in a sea of debt, with a large percentage of employment in the public sector.

     

    #76754

    The reason we celebrate Independence Day. LOL. Prostitution is against the law. Porn can’t be made by the common man. Ha Ha. To put pussy in a value bubble beyond the stratophere, so I can’t afford it. I want to stay a pussy whipped mangina in slaved too the plantation of the state & their hoes, whores of marriage. I want my kids taken away. I love my blue pill job where I enslave other MGTOWS for minumum wage pay. I like the matrix put me back in let me not remember. I’ll be a good doggy, I’ll settle for scraps from women & the state.

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    Stay neutral don’t vote. I don’t want no king, leaders. My dick is a motivational speaker, just do it, you can do it. Royals you can call me Queen Bee. Blank Space. Bad Blood.

    #76758
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    Binary Logic
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    I recently read most American’s do not have a any idea why we celebrate the 4th of July. I thought it important to remind some of us. The thirteen colonies were breaking away from their oppressors in Britain. This is a transcript of that declaration. Please take a moment to read it, to yourself, to your children.

    Good post and reminder.

    I predict the US will go down like Greece eventually in a sea of debt, with a large percentage of employment in the public sector.

    As it is said, those that do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Much of their reasons for breaking away are slowly starting to resurface in another, albeit modern, form. It is sad and yet interesting to see where all of this will lead.

    Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

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    Binary Logic
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    The reason we celebrate Independence Day. LOL. Prostitution is against the law. Porn can’t be made by the common man. Ha Ha. To put pussy in a value bubble beyond the stratophere, so I can’t afford it. I want to stay a pussy whipped mangina in slaved too the plantation of the state & their hoes, whores of marriage. I want my kids taken away. I love my blue pill job where I enslave other MGTOWS for minumum wage pay. I like the matrix put me back in let me not remember. I’ll be a good doggy, I’ll settle for scraps from women & the state.

    I think you’ve found the wrong place. Your message not only lacks logic, reason, and a cohesive point. In fact, I’d go as far to shout CATFISH… you may want to rethink your motivations and purpose for being here.

    Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

    #76850
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    Helen be Damned
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    @shrivaledlittledick I was not the target audience for that video.

    "You can keep your soul, I don't want a cell-mate." - Them Crooked Vultures

    #76914
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    Durden
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    As soon as the U.S. military is no longer a great power the whole country will fracture. These fractures will either gain independence or be absorbed by another nation. This will probably be after all of us our dead. Of course there could always be a global crisis that brings things together. I personally lack the aesthetics to see it happening.

    I acknowledge and am thankful for the many conveniences that we in the western world have. Those necessities of life most people take for granted such as waterlines, sewage, electricity, internet, grocery stores, etc. But, I hold no creed to my country for it has little creed to me. It insults and berates who I am.

    It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

    #76918
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    Lord Vats
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    Let’s consider the whole American 4th July (not “July 4th”) “Independence Day” stuff. Basically, they’re celebrating the fact that a bunch of aristocratic, slave-owning, middle-aged white guys didn’t want to pay their taxes.

    Now today their economy is buggered – even Mexican mining companies choose to list on the London Stock Exchange in Pounds Sterling, instead of the US exchange in Dollars – and, to add insult to injury, the big debate over the next potential President was between a woman and a black guy!

    Talk about a plan back-firing!

    #76946
    Nerowolfe
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    I don’t understand why U.S. citizens have a holiday for the Declaration of Independence, for these reasons:

    -independence was declared by Congress on 2 July, the Declaration wasn’t signed until August

    -the only significant event on the 4th was that Congress approved the final draft

    -practically everything Americans today celebrate has to do with the U.S.A, not the War for Independence

    -the need for a holiday to celebrate the D of Independence ended when the Constitution was ratified in 1789

    – the U.S. Constitution usurped the powers of the sovereign nations; no longer were the people in those nations independent in any sense of the word

    -at the end of the war, each colony signed a separate treaty with England

    -when ratifying the Constitution, each nation/state did so voluntarily, with several states reserving the right to dissolve the agreement.

    -when SC and other states decided to dissolve their union with the other states, they did so in the same manner in which they ratified the Constitution; through the democratic process of state constitutional conventions

    -Rhode Island was threatened to force it to ratify the Constitution in 1790

    So, my friends, I find very little to celebrate on the 4th. Wrong flag, wrong songs, wrong ideas, and the abject acceptance of the population of the U.S. empire. So much for independence, a state in which some Americans enjoyed for a short while before 1789 was foisted on them in a political coup.

    #77144
    Lazarus Long
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    That document could be written about America today. Nearly word for word.

    Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

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