The new paradigm for men, young men and boys.

[gotmybellrungParticipant 6]

I tend to be a bit pragmatic about my experience with marriage,divorce and her moving with the kids to the other side of the country. But on days like today when I have to interact with older female relatives, I am reminded of a book I read about a year ago called, Great Female Con By Andey Randead (obvious a pseudonym) you can find it on Pirate Bay and kickass torrents. The “interaction” reminded me about how quickly they will manipulate and lie, and the kicker here is that it was my own mother I am referring to. Given I have a 16 year old daughter and two sons 12 and 9, I find myself contemplating what I have to teach my sons about females. Realizing that no matter what way I look at it, men and women are not equal, merely different. We think differently, biologically we are obviously different.

Thoughts ?

[Anonymous 2]

I have asked this myself as well, as I consider myself a lower level MGTOW. At some point I do desire a relationship, although I will make no “lifetime” promises, marry, or share real estate (rent is fine). Raising a child might be compatible with those choices provided the potential mother will agree with them, and whether or not that relationship will continue when that child has reached adolescence, is up to nature and my own sovereignty to decide.

I seem to be one of the lucky ones, I was raised by a strong father and supportive mother in the traditional sense. In family gatherings, my mom and sister are the biggest NAWALTS in the room and stick by their man’s decisions, compared to my trashbreeding nieces and manipulative aunts. Not to mention my dad is the manliest man among all the mangina c~~~s slaving for them.

My father taught me the world isn’t fair, but that doesn’t mean you need to be unfair. And by being fair he didn’t mean just to other people, but also to oneself. On women he told me you can’t make someone happy if you can’t make yourself happy first. I agree. I’d tell any son of mine to walk his own path, head held high no matter the opinions of others, and to speak up towards injustice. No matter if it comes from a man or a women, or what the repercussions may be. That principle alone helped me a great deal with percieving injustice done to men, by women, without any gender-specific message being involved.

[gotmybellrungParticipant 6]

Love that approach, as I don’t want to “sour” either of my boys with regards to women. As I believe in your quote “<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;”> </span><em style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;”>you can’t make someone happy if you can’t make yourself happy first”. its a gender neutral statement and can be applied to many of life’s situations.

Looking back I was surrounded by lackluster male role models (manginas) but I don’t blame them as they were in reality doing the best they could. It wasn’t until I bought and ran my own business that I started to interact with strong males, some of whom were my own age. I don’t really worry about my boys, I just want them to know the facts, not the manufactured truths that the media and women in general perpetuate.

Their mother has an entitlement mindset, the one that women seem to wear as some kind of sick badge of honor these days (not all women). Its that attitude of entitlement that concerns me the most. And that they will see the world like she does, I owe I owe so off to work I go. And essentially make the same mistakes I made, racking up ridiculous amounts of consumer debt for material garbage, to, in turn, keep her happy.

I will be moving closer to them in August, they are in Calgary I am moving to Vancouver. 10 hour drive or 45 minute flight. Business wise I will have to start from scratch as I can’t make my clients move with me, but for the first time in a very long time I am excited about life again.

Thanks for your input it helped.

[Anonymous 2]

No problem. One thing I can add is that my old folks don’t ever push me into pursuing a relationship, they want me to pursue happyness. As a son I felt it was important my father would be proud of me, but I wasn’t particularly well suited for public school. And I didn’t share many interests with him. But I never felt unloved because they kept reminding me the most important bit was to pursue my own happyness without destroying that of others.

Now, that last bit is interesting. As a MGTOW, I am perfectly fine with shattering a women’s dreams and making her cry her eyeb~~~~ out over the consequences of your righteous fury at her injustices. When it comes to women specifically, or even men (manginas) when your sons happen to be gay, it is hard not to sound mysoginist or vindictive. I wouldn’t know a subtle way to “warn” your sons for the dangers of female vipers. Perhaps it is best to appeal to their sense of honor whenever you speak on underlying principles (gender equality, consumerism, sex) and to promote their sense of self-worth in these matters.

 

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

I have two boys and no daughters.  But I grew up with four sisters and no brothers.  Raised in a near female-only household (my dad was depressed and anxiety-ridden, and basically an older brother, not a dad) I didn’t have any perspective at all on male-female relations.  Grew up thinking I had nothing but advantages.  But at the same time, sensed there was something deeply wrong with ME because I wasn’t able to just march around and control the world like men so obviously were born being able to do.

Now, as I watch my boys grow up, it has been incredibly eye-opening.  The burden that is dropped on boys’ shoulders at a very early age is unbelievable.  My older son, age four, is already holding doors open for girls his age, fawning over them, and looking for “bad guys” to fight.  He also hates to lose — every time he loses, I see his soul die a little bit.

That internal conflict — being told you have to be a hero, but knowing you aren’t a hero — has to be resolved in a male in order to understand the true nature of male-female relations.  Males are NOT stronger than women.  Males are exploited until they are broken, all while being told they are the “strong” ones to keep them going out of guilt and fear and shame.

You are only told you are “strong” because they want you to go out there and do as much work for them as you possibly can. Then, when it breaks you, no one will clean up the wreckage but you — they will move on to other cannon fodder.

I am convinced the most important thing a father can do is to tell his son that the FATHER will be there for the son no matter how weak or broken he is.  Let the son know that when he falls, he is not alone.  And let the son know that the rest of the world’s approval is nice, but is absolutely not necessary for being a whole person.  People can think you are a loser, weak incapable — and you can still be alive, happy, and in control.

Guilt, shame, fear — this is how males are manipulated into sacrificing themselves as “heroes” for women and society as a whole.  Look out for anyone trying to make your boys feel fear, guilt, or shame.  Chances are, it is a subtle attempt to manipulate, not any kind of real communication at all.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@smacktalk73,
If I had children — but boys especially — I would get them into martial arts lessons. I found my way into judo/jiu-jutsu in my early teens, and it literally saved my sanity and perhaps my very life.

There were some events that unarmed combat skills got me out of, which would have done for your average untrained schlubb. But the mental discipline required to learn judo, etc, did wonders for my mind.

Weight lifting is good too, although it is not a substitute for the mental and physical training of oriental martial arts.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

Thanks for the suggestion.  I had been thinking about putting the boys in a martial arts program, and at your reminder I just found one for the 4 year old.  I really wish I’d had something like that when I was young.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Smacktalk73 wrote:

I really wish I’d had something like that when I was young.

I also wish I had started martial arts when my age was a single digit. It would have spared me much grief in grade school.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 2]

Smacktalk73 wrote:

That internal conflict — being told you have to be a hero, but knowing you aren’t a hero — has to be resolved in a male in order to understand the true nature of male-female relations.

I am so stealing this quote from you.

[gotmybellrungParticipant 6]

Thank you all for the input thus far, we all seem to be on the same page with regards to our son’s or future son’s.

My boys were heavily involved in MMA at a great facility in our city, I had nothing for respect for the couple (both blackbelts) that were firm but positive with both the boys and girls in the classes.

Once the EX and the internet boyfriend moved out of province with all three of my kids (my oldest is 16 going on 25) after a protracted 14 month of back and forth between lawyers and judges. Once she got out there no more mma.

Now to be fair I was trained in the military what is now referred to as defendu/defendo, as there is a big difference between the ring, the street and war. Level of force is tricky, in many western countries from a civilian legal standpoint. I teach them (especially my daughter) the simple G.E.T. technique. But only when they are at an age when they understand severe physical damage and potential legal troubles may become serious. Anyway…

But as INXENTAS said earlier ” you can’t make someone happy if you can’t make yourself happy first” (Thanks BTW) I have already started on the phone quoting things similar to that. 2 of my three have smart phones so I can bypass their mother outright, with positive text messages. But my youngest is a few years away from that responsibility so I call the ex’s at least 2 times a week to talk to him directly.

Just thought I would share what I am doing and hope it helps out!

 

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