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Anonymous1Hobbit was an atrocity. Difficult to think of a single redeeming scene. Maybe a few moments in the first movie, such as the Dwarves singing, but otherwise just terrible.
Yeah, I agree completely. It was a horror show for a real Tolkien fan.
Thank you for that Faust.
You’re welcome, GK.
With JJ Abrams back in charge, all the fan theories are still possible.
He and his team oversaw an awesome time travel story with the Star Trek reboot film. Then, he and his team followed up that film with an interesting take on Khan in a film that was a homage to Wraith of Khan without being a ripoff.
I felt that The Force Awakens was a respectful homage to the Star Wars movies before it. Sure Han died in the film, but his character was treated respectfully. Also, the First Order in that film were not idiots. In addition Poe and his fighter squad were cool.
And Kylo was what we expect a in-universe force using Vader fanboy would be like. Sort of like Dark Helmet, only more sad and less funny.
Here is one of my favorite Star Wars blogs I’d like to link to for you all to hopefully enjoy.
http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2017/12/episode-nothing-blog-about-star-wars-in.html%5B/quote%5D That is an interesting website.
the Star Trek reboot films are f~~~ing awful…the time travel plot was dumb and full of massive holes. Kirk is an obnoxious t~~~, Uhura and Spock getting together was a spit in the eye to Trek fans….I could spend a week pointing out how crap and wafer thin that film was
the second one was even worse
plus The Feminist Awakens was utter s~~~ – it is a BAD film
You can only be insulted when you care enough to be insulted.
Any other group that was insulted they would be upset as well.
It’s a kiddie film.
What do you consider an “adult film”? Not a porno, but a film made for adults. Because we clearly have to very different views on what a “film for kids” is.
Broke rule three to the tune of over four hundred million dollars earned in one week.
They need $800 million to break even.
Jackson insulted Tolkien fans and earned billions.
Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit Trilogies are masterpieces of cinema. Most Tolkien fans loved what Peter Jackson did with those stories. Sure some changes were made. But the changes added to the story, help tie the story narrative together, and kept the story from dragging.
There is even a lot of Tolkien fans that supported the make of the Lord of the Rings films at the end of the credits of each of those three films. It is a long list of Tolkien fans.
CBS is currently insulting Star Trek fans with a new series which has done well enough to earn a second season.
Of course they gave it a second season, they would never live it down if they canned the series and The Orville got a second season on Fox.
By the way, I have not been watching that new Star Trek series. I have been enjoying the Orville which is sort of like a cross between Star Trek the Original Series and The Next Generation, with some parodying mixed. It is a pretty good series.
your taste in film is appalling! How the f~~~ can you call those awful Hobbit films “masterpieces”?
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the Star Trek reboot films are f~~~ing awful
I did not like the first act of the film, but the rest of the film was solid. The casting in the film was awesome.
The Feminist Awakens was utter s~~~ – it is a BAD film
The chemistry between Finn and Poe was good. Of course this was thrown out with everything else that was good in The Force Awakens when the The Last Jedi was made.
How the f~~~ can you call those awful Hobbit films “masterpieces”?
The movies fleshed out a whole lot of things. I always felt the book was to short. The dragon fight in the dwarf city in the second movie was a nice addition, showed what the dwarfs were made out of.
The novel version of the story seemed a bit cheapened. The dwarfs had this huge journey and when the reach the mountain city they had little to do with killing the dragon inside the mountain city. Plus the orc army coming out to attack at the end of the book came out of left field. The trilogy film fixes this and makes the orcs shadow constantly felt throughout the film.
Also, some small things that tie the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings together better.
Anonymous3You people are foaming at the mouth because of Star Wars. A f~~~ing kiddie movie used to sell Happy Meals and Lego sets has you all worked up.
You’re not angry about divorce laws, child custody laws, quotas, unequal sentencing, unequal health funding, the male suicide epidemic, or the thousands of other things grinding down your lives but are angry that they didn’t make a live action cartoon the way you wanted it made.
Absolutely f~~~ing pathetic.
Old Bill,
I love your posts. You are one to point out the obvious elephant in the room that nobody notices. However, in this case, you are wrong and I will explain why.
Every society has a philosophical ethos, that is derived from the stories that guide the society. The Roman/Greek mythology that we love to use dwell in many traits of the human existence. We still reflect on them when we say words like narcissism (from the story of Narcissus).
The western society was built upon these stories blended with the Christian Biblical stories.However, in our modern days of cultural desert, nobody reads. Everybody knows everything, without ever knowing anything. Books are mostly gathering dust, much to the validation of Huxley.
What comprises the mythology of our days, what makes the societal ethos, is – unfortunately – the media. And in this sense the Star Wars series is the present days “Homer’s odyssey”. And the reason it was powerful back in the 70’s is surprising: George Lucas used the classic mythological themes to make his star wars. In this sense, Star Wars WAS classical.
That is why it is being destroyed. It is not the MOVIE that is being destroyed, but rather the classical philosophical ethos that was transmitted.
When I did “Star Wars” I consciously set about to recreate myths and the — and the classic mythological motifs. And I wanted to use those motifs to deal with issues that existed today.”
GEORGE LUCAS
Anonymous3The movies fleshed out a whole lot of things. I always felt the book was to short. The dragon fight in the dwarf city in the second movie was a nice addition, showed what the dwarfs were made out of.
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Also, some small things that tie the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings together better.I am a huge Tolkien fan. However, there are limitations on Tolkien’s work. The Hobbit was first published as a book directed to children, because Tolkien did not think adults adhere this kind of “fantasy romance”. It was only after the feedback he received from the Hobbit that he proceed to publish the more “adult” writing, like we can read to the preface of LOTR:
This tale grew in the telling, until it became a history of the Great War of the Ring and included many glimpses of the yet more ancient history that preceded it. It was begun soon after The Hobbit was written and before its publication in 1937; but I did not go on with this sequel, for I wished first to complete and set in order the mythology and legends of the Elder Days, which had then been taking shape for some years. I desired to do this for my own satisfaction, and I had little hope that other people would be interested in this work, especially since it was primarily linguistic in inspiration and was begun in order to provide the necessary background of ‘history’ for Elvish tongues.
When those whose advice and opinion I sought corrected “little hope” to “no hope,” I went back to the sequel, encouraged by requests from readers for more information concerning hobbits and their adventures.In this sense, I always thought that “The Hobbit” did no justice to the LOTR. The story and the writing are not the same, yet they tried to make it the same. Therefore the movie could not be anything but bad…
Every society has a philosophical ethos, that is derived from the stories that guide the society. The Roman/Greek mythology that we love to use dwell in many traits of the human existence. We still reflect on them when we say words like narcissism (from the story of Narcissus).
The western society was built upon these stories blended with the Christian Biblical stories.However, in our modern days of cultural desert, nobody reads. Everybody knows everything, without ever knowing anything. Books are mostly gathering dust, much to the validation of Huxley.
What comprises the mythology of our days, what makes the societal ethos, is – unfortunately – the media. And in this sense the Star Wars series is the present days “Homer’s odyssey”. And the reason it was powerful back in the 70’s is surprising: George Lucas used the classic mythological themes to make his star wars. In this sense, Star Wars WAS classical.
That is why it is being destroyed. It is not the MOVIE that is being destroyed, but rather the classical philosophical ethos that was transmitted.
This. Literally this.
Manfred, thank you for explaining a topic and finding the words in a way I could not.
I am a huge Tolkien fan. However, there are limitations on Tolkien’s work. The Hobbit was first published as a book directed to children, because Tolkien did not think adults adhere this kind of “fantasy romance”. It was only after the feedback he received from the Hobbit that he proceed to publish the more “adult” writing, like we can read to the preface of LOTR:
I will not disagree. But, if given a chance to make a Hobbit film, one would expect those making it to do the story justice and add to the story where it was clearly lacking.
In this sense, I always thought that “The Hobbit” did no justice to the LOTR. The story and the writing are not the same, yet they tried to make it the same. Therefore the movie could not be anything but bad…
We will have to agree to disagree on this. But, I believe we can agree that Peter Jackson and his crew respected the story material and they tried to do the Hobbit story justice by expanding the story to be an epic trilogy in of itself.
Back to the main topic. Today I talked to someone that saw The Last Jedi. I respect his opinions. He saw the movie twice. Not because he thought it was a good film. He saw the movie twice to makes sure he had not gone insane and that the movie truly sucked as bad as he thought during his first viewing. His was in a, “How could they let this happen?”, mindset.
Anonymous3He saw the movie twice to makes sure he had not gone insane and that the movie truly sucked as bad as he thought during his first viewing. His was in a, “How could they let this happen?”, mindset.
I will see the movie again, because of my kid. It will be good to notice the field details of the screwup.
Anonymous14I really like the way Manfred & Faust are dissecting this. Just a side note here, and please correct me if I am wrong. Didn’t Lucas base the Jedi/Sith lore, at least partly, from “real life” Shaolin monks?
He saw the movie twice to makes sure he had not gone insane and that the movie truly sucked as bad as he thought during his first viewing. His was in a, “How could they let this happen?”, mindset.
I will see the movie again, because of my kid. It will be good to notice the field details of the screwup.
Exactly. The film was so bad the only people seeing twice are those whom want to make sure the film was the truly the clusterf~~~ it is the first time they saw it.
By the way, the box office sales for the film for Monday and Tuesday are starting to see a massive drop off from the first weekend sales. All the parents have taken their children to see the movie and Star Wars films whom were feeling masochistic have seen the film.
I have a feeling this movie will likely be re-edited with new scenes to be salvaged. Sort of like how the theatrical cut of the Highlander 2 film was absolute s~~~, but the Renegade Cut of Highlander 2, which was heavily re-edited with added scenes that flesh out and changed a few things, was if not good, interesting to watch.
The two things one never does in a popcorn movie (which most Star Wars movies are) is pander and preach. The Last Jedi film did both those things.
You people are foaming at the mouth because of Star Wars. A f~~~ing kiddie movie used to sell Happy Meals and Lego sets has you all worked up.
It’s not a kiddie-movie, it’s a hero-movie. If I watched Star Wars for the first time as an adult, it would still inspire me like I was inspired as a kid. Take some advice for the Jedi-code:
There is no emotion, there is peace.
This is pure MGTOW No F~~~s Given, 40 years ago.
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Anonymous3Didn’t Lucas base the Jedi/Sith lore, at least partly, from “real life” Shaolin monks?
The concept of the force was a personal philosophy of George Lucas. At a time when he used to race, he was involved in a serious accident and was severely injured.
During that difficult time he came up with the concept of the “force”. I do not know, however, how seriously he takes the idea. It also borrows from the Japanese concept of Ki, and the Chinese Chi.As for the Jedi: the whole inspiration is actually Japanese. Darth Vader’s armour is a traditional
Samurai armour. The same goes for the storm troopers.
The Jedi name itself might be the result of Japanese movies about samurai, like those of Akiro Korosawa. They where called JIdaigeki…
The Jedi swords are clearly influenced by the katana, because it is a short two handed sword. Even the special effect of lighting the saber is a reflection of the quick draw used by the samurai.
As for the Jedi code, it is inspired by the Bushido, the warrior code of the samurai, with probably some Zen mixture. As we can see in the following example:
Jedi:
Zen:
However, in this case, you are wrong and I will explain why.
What you and the other besotted children playing dress-up can’t or won’t realize is what Lucas says about Star Wars decades later is not what he said about it when looking for funding in the mid-70s. Don’t base your opinions on whatever Lucas is saying now. Read what he said then.
The movie was a conscious remake/update of the Flash Gordon, Cisco Kid, and other juvenile serials from the 1930s and 1940s Lucas had loved, just as “Raider of the Lost Ark” was an update/remake of the pulp adventures of the same period.
It was only after the movies became a hit that Lucas tried reinventing them as some serious, weighty, philosophical, “hero’s journey” worthy of intellectual respect. The movies are and always have been live action cartoons, no matter how many retcons Lucas wants to invent regarding their conception and his “genius”.
The fact that Lucas had to update the original film’s SFX to meet the expectations of current audiences proves the films aren’t the “deep” examinations of “fundamental truths” so many so fervently want to believe they are. If the films’ message is as powerful as the besotted fan base loves to claim, there wouldn’t have been any need to upgrade the “smoke & mirrors”. The fact that those distractions had to be updated proves that the films are brainless eye candy for kiddies veneered with just enough cracker barrel pop psychology to provide adults with a ready excuse for liking them too.
I love the Three Stooges shorts as a kid and love them still. What I don’t do is make up excuses for loving them. Those Stooge shorts are nothing but live action cartoons coupling slapstick violence with low brow comedy and, just because Moe, Larry, and Curly were among the first in Hollywood to satirize Hitler and the Nazis, the fact that the shorts are nothing more than live action cartoons doesn’t change.
You can like the Stars Wars without pretending that they’re more than they actually are.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous3You can like the Stars Wars without pretending that they’re more than they actually are.
You are quite right in everything you said. George Lucas is not a “genius” that created some new and revolutionary philosophy. In fact, I just posted how he was inspired by many influences. And cartoons of his youth would be part of it.
Yes, he was more concerned in making a profitable movie.
Yes, he only recycled some hero stories.
Yet, he made something special. And he was never able to recapture the original.
Anonymous14He was under the spell of Spielberg per the reboots Old Bill.
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/ 😛
No, I am not a member.What you and the other besotted children playing dress-up can’t or won’t realize is what Lucas says about Star Wars decades later is not what he said about it when looking for funding in the mid-70s. Don’t base your opinions on whatever Lucas is saying now. Read what he said then.
Bill, I respect you. Though, I disagree with you.
Still, if this was a film solely made for children, that would make the film even worse. This film pushes the support of sexism and racism in the plot, how the movie is presented, and towards various characters. The film pushes a SJW narrative which is insulting to those with intelligence.
The film was turned from what was suppose to be a movie with mindless action scenes, an enjoyable plot, and likeable characters which leave the viewers feeling good after seeing the film into a emotional exhausting SJW bigoted sermon on how men are useless and bad, and women are good and always right, especially when women are talking down to and insulting men.
He was under the spell of Spielberg per the reboots Old Bill.
They’re long term collaborators and that’s not a good thing.
There’s a 1978 transcript of a story conference for what would become Raiders of the Lost Ark between Lucas, Spielberg, and a third man. In it Lucas seriously suggests that the “They used to f~~~” part of the Marion-Indy backstory began when she was eleven and came onto him. Spielberg agreed and a discussion of whether Marion should have been be 11, 14, or 15 when it happened then took place.
That’s right, kiddies. The man who invented your oh-so-deep and philosophical Star Wars wanted Indiana Jones to be a pedophile.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous1That’s right, kiddies. The man who invented your oh-so-deep and philosophical Star Wars wanted Indiana Jones to be a pedophile.
That’s because both (Spielberg and Lucas) probably are pedophiles. Remember Cory Feldman, and all those other child stars. Spielberg and Lucas were in those circles too. Nothing but CHOMO all through Hollyweird. I haven’t given them a dollar in years. They can all go down with the ship, SCUM of the earth that they are.
Anonymous14@oldbill Who is the third Man?
I do agree that collaboration is not a good thing with those two.I am on the take of this current discussion as what it meant to me as a youth, and what it means to me now with grey hairs growing.
If we were to break it down to this level, I would like to point out the number of school teachers that are accused, charged, and convicted of being paedos. That said, thus would nullify our whole education.
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