The Joker

[Anonymous 3]

I have just seen the movie Joker, and I have a completely different interpretation from what others have said.

First, it is not a red pill movie by design. It is a movie that continues to propel the liberal narrative of the day, but wants to make money by appealing to all dissidents.

Why do I say that? Because, as all other movies, it destroys a cultural icon, an hero, and that is Batman. Dont get me wrong, I am no batman fan, but if I was I should be as p~~~ed as the Star Wars fans.
Again everything is inverted, the good turns bad, and the bad turns good, so that people have no moral or ethical standard as to judge the system.

On the other hand feminists should overjoy, because it paints all “incel” types as losers living with their mothers, mental cases with a propensity to violence. The toxic masculinity is obvious from the fact that every bully is a man. Women are portrayed as victims of powerful and rich men.

But the movie is different in the way that departs from the political propaganda of the day. In this aspect it is a financial masterpiece, because it appeals to ALL POLITICAL SIDES! It was made to get a LOT of money.

The socialists will relate to the plight of the oppressed disenfranchise population against the rich and powerful. To them Thomas Wayne is Trump, a rich guy representing the capitalist system. They will see the social program cuts as proof that the film is socialist. And Joker wears RED.

The Trump people will see joker as Trump, and people will relate to the media attacks on their hero, and how he is called a clown by the establishment. The “these people are clowns” sentence from Wayne take us to the famous “deplorables” sentence from Clinton.

The hacktivists will certainly relate to the “clown world”.

The only ones looking bad is the public faces of the system, the media is thrown under the bus. The establishment politicians, although mentioned, are absent.

No coherent political solution is presented, only street violence is shown. And the system would love that as an excuse to curtail the last freedoms.

But the best part is yet to come.

I am sure the writers and the director didn’t intend to make this a MGTOW movie, they operated under societal normal and accepted practices and especially the NAWALT argument.

Therefore they ignore the best an most obvious interpretation of this movie.

The greatest vilan of this story is a woman. A single mother, narcissistic, delusional, abusive whore.
Joker was the product of one woman’s actions, that reflect in all women and their actions. Because AWALT.

In fact most women appearing with kids in the movie are single mothers.

It starts by the kid being abused by a violent chad with the blessing of the “mother”. Something we constantly see in the news.
But the rationalization hamster kicks in by saying “the kid is happy”. That must have been a demand enforced by abuse, that resulted in the kid expressing his pain and sorrow by laughing.

The joker’s laughing is crying. It was the only expression allowed by his mother.

After riding the c~~~ carousel in her good years (the flashbacks of the old hag showed an attractive young women) she had no means to survive and no man to leech on, except her son.

He was a “good man” trained as such by his mother for selfish purposes. She was gaslighting him constantly, saying that he had the destiny of making people happy, and yet sabotaging him by saying he was not funny.

When joker states on tv that “they wanted us to be good” he was talking about his mother. His mother is the only one responsible for that because she isolated him from normal human contact. She indoctrinated him to be a good boy, her “happy boy”.

That the destroyed child of a neurotic single mother ends up as a messed up violent criminal is no surprise.

The condemnation of female’s destruction of male nature is portrayed in the initial scene where young kids attack the clown. They are literally saying “kick him, because he is harmless”.
They know an emasculated man when they see one.
this movie does not tell the origins of Joker, but how “losers” and “incels” are made.
This movie is about women destroying young boys.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Outside the screen the film “The Joker” is a “f~~~ you” to modern Hollywood.

The film was made by masters of their craft from the previous generations. It is like those making the movie said, “let us show you had it is done”. Then, they did the job well.

The film portrayed a white man as having being driven to insanity. The SJW go insane when the white man is portrayed in a sympathetic light.

The film has cleared over a billion U.S. dollars at the box office. This is unheard of for an “R” rated film. Even better the film made its billion without any involvement from China, the nation whom modern Hollywood wishes to suck the collective c~~~ of at the expenses of western audiences.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22515]

I am tired of the anti-hero movies. Its an attempt to rationalize evil.

We don’t have to have movies somehow ‘educate’ us about evil people. Everyone who is honest with themselves already understands evil, being bad to others, etc. We can all understand and to some degree sympathize with the evil character. The difference is that normal people control themselves because they live by the golden rule, or try their best to. Or are too afraid of negative consequences, or some of each in varying degree.

We don’t need to celebrate or romanticize or elevate a character as an anit-hero because they snap and irrationally take it out on people they in their warped minds blame for their lot in life.

If he would have snapped and just taken it out on his horrible mother, at least that would have been some form of self defense/justice he’d still probably get some punishment for. But taking it out to spread the misery to uninvolved innocent people, that’s what immature bitchy little children do. And thats not something anyone should aspire to sympathize with.

In short, in a reference to South Park, F~~~ Mexican Joker.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

I liked reading your analysis though I havent seen the movie – as I simply dont watch anything that comes out of hollywierd even if its supposed to be a good one. Hollywood is owned and run by the same small connected group of people that own the world banking system that creates money from nothing and charges interest on it, they funded and promoted feminism in movies and public policy over decades to displace the male head of the traditional family unit in US and Europe – it was all about control over men (public policy family courts), creating more taxpayers taxdollars (women start working and men work more to pay alimony and CS) and debt slaves (men and women). End result the relatively stable structure of family and society in US and europe that existed in the 50s has been destroyed.
Stay MGTOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1I6vZ3OCk0
https://www.bitchute.com/video/s1nPYDj7KBEQ/

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[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Randy Marsh is innocent. Free Randy Marsh.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 3]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

I am tired of the anti-hero movies. Its an attempt to rationalize evil.

We don’t have to have movies somehow ‘educate’ us about evil people. Everyone who is honest with themselves already understands evil, being bad to others, etc. We can all understand and to some degree sympathize with the evil character. The difference is that normal people control themselves because they live by the golden rule, or try their best to. Or are too afraid of negative consequences, or some of each in varying degree.

We don’t need to celebrate or romanticize or elevate a character as an anit-hero because they snap and irrationally take it out on people they in their warped minds blame for their lot in life.

I completely agree.

This type of movie is either something with an agenda (social engineering) or the product of nihilistic idiots who never had contact with real life.

The problem with the present day “intellectual elite” is that it is not intellectual. They have no values and therefore understand no values, but see themselves superior to others by doing so.

That alone could explain the screwup of most recent movies, how the studios constantly miss the reason people identify with heros. Because normal people aspire to a superior moral values.

The inversion of this is identifying with the vilan. That can appeal to the narcissistic, amoral or sociopathical people. That or it is a simple rebellion against conventional moral by people that see no meaning in their life.

[MonkParticipant 16988]

Anonymous wrote:

He was a “good man” trained as such by his mother for selfish purposes. She was gaslighting him constantly, saying that he had the destiny of making people happy, and yet sabotaging him by saying he was not funny.

The is reflected in the autobiographies of many modern comedians. John Cleese said that he spent years in therapy because of what his mother did to him.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Artists paint lies to tell the truth. Just like anything in life, what you choose to see is up to you.

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[HermitParticipant]

iMickey503 wrote:

Artists paint lies to tell the truth. Just like anything in life, what you choose to see is up to you.

I can tell you this, I don’t watch movies and think about any agenda that the makers of the movie have. I either like the movie or I don’t. Regardless of any agenda, if the movie entertains me, I’ll buy it on Blu ray disc and watch it for years to come. If it doesn’t entertain me, I won’t bother with it.

I know movies like “Ocean’s 8” and “Ghost Busters” were made to replace men with women, but I tried to watch them anyway and if they had entertained me, I would’ve accepted them as just entertainment. Unfortunately they were so bad that I couldn’t even come close to finish watching them. Didn’t even get half way through.

I don’t care what the writers or directors reasons are for making the movies. I don’t try to analyze them and dig into them. I either like them or I don’t. Most actors are spoiled, entitled, left wing jackasses and have been this way for decades. If I chose to not watch a movie because I disagreed with the writers/directors/actors……I’d have given up watching movies and TV a very long time ago. If they entertain me, that’s all I’m looking for.

I’ve heard from friends that “Joker” is a pretty good movie. If I like it, I’ll spend money on it.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Its an attempt to rationalize evil.

We live in a society ruled by those whom have been raised to believe in the concept of a “moral vacuum”, with good and evil defined by how one is born.

If you are born a white male, society defines that person as “evil” and being unable to do anything right.

If you are born a minority female, society defines that person being “good” and unable to do anything wrong.

Those ruling society want to spark a war between white men and everyone else, as a pretext to commit genocide against white men. But, at the same time these rulers put the hardships on white men in a way where for the most part white men are expected to work to pay for everyone else, and to keep society running.

Instead of taking the bait or being a wage slave, more and more white men, along with a number of minority men, are taking the red pill, walking away, and watching society collapse without them.

Go read the fake news articles, most of which are now about how it is the fault of men that middle-age women are single and childless. In addition with fake news falsely blaming men because they are not going into debt slavery for homes, car, education, etc.

The current society runs on debt, to enrich the 1%, and without new debtor slaves each generation the system collapses.

Passive resistance, which is how MGTOW can be viewed, is very effective, especially when the goal is to ghost and escape, instead of draw attention to yourself.

What an interesting story is would make if a MGTOW had been present set Arthur straight before he went insane, told him about the red pill, MGTOW, and ghosting. As simple as he was, he would have likely done well for himself if he wasn’t shouldering the burdens and stresses of everyone else. Such as being a fisherman.

[Anonymous 3]

Faust For Science wrote:

What an interesting story is would make if a MGTOW had been present set Arthur straight before he went insane, told him about the red pill, MGTOW, and ghosting. As simple as he was, he would have likely done well for himself if he wasn’t shouldering the burdens and stresses of everyone else. Such as being a fisherman.

Bingo!

The moral that can be taken away from this story is that men shoulder responsibilities for others, so that others can leech out of them until they are destroyed and only an empty shell remains.

Men can be save however if they learn that they are being duped. The trouble is that most people, especially those that men should trust (like mothers), are the ones duping them for self-serving purposes.

Therefore it is hard for these men to see the truth. They have been indoctrinated and brainwashed since birth, as Arthur.

[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

Faust For Science wrote:

Those ruling society want to spark a war between white men and everyone else, as a pretext to commit genocide against white men. But, at the same time these rulers put the hardships on white men in a way where for the most part white men are expected to work to pay for everyone else, and to keep society running.

Instead of taking the bait or being a wage slave, more and more white men, along with a number of minority men, are taking the red pill, walking away, and watching society collapse without them. In addition with fake news falsely blaming men because they are not going into debt slavery for homes, car, education, etc.

The current society runs on debt, to enrich the 1%, and without new debtor slaves each generation the system collapses.
Passive resistance, which is how MGTOW can be viewed, is very effective, especially when the goal is to ghost and escape, instead of draw attention to yourself.

^ Well said. This is true. They are few in number and their scam has been exposed that is part of the reason.

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[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

Wonderful assessment Manfred. I indeed have described this as a left wing movie. Nevertheless a great one.

Joker was simply a great drama. It was an interesting take on the potential origin of the Joker. Something that didn’t exist in the DC universe prior to this. Phoenix does a wonderful job as Fleck (certainly as good or better than Hoffman’s Rainman).
It touches on numerous social or cultural issues as people have mentioned above.
Sometimes you can enjoy a story despite some of the negative aspects. Arthur Fleck is no hero in this movie. You don’t cheer him you feel pity for him. An anti hero? Sure but nobody is going to go out on a violent rampage because they watch it. You don’t want to cheer him when he shoots the men on the train.
Even a person with a strict moral and ethical code can love this movie. It is not a superhero or super villain movie but a good drama showing that single mothers can be so bad that they can develop a super villain 🙂

Best movie I’ve seen in a while.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

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