The economic advantages of Going Your Own Way.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I could of put MGTOW in the title here, but I feel that MGTOW itself, ends up more tied to just avoiding coupling relationships with women, but the Going Your Own Way side is broader.  So, thus I have that in the title.

Based on what I know about the economy and so on, to be able to really go anywhere big in life, you aren’t going to get it by following the crowd and being normal.  You have to be exceptional, and either sell what you have of value, or be in an area of natural demand and be above and beyond.  This exceptional state of being requires  dedication, and not doing what other people do.  It requires sacrifice, and not following everyone else.  One has to go their own way to get there.  It means putting up with more pain, rejection, and changing of a personal life.  Go with the crowd, think you do college and get a corporate job and you are set?  Think you get the wife and do the family?  Well, you are at increased risk of not making it.

There was a time, I would say I guest post-World War II, where you could off and be middle class, and the economy took care of yourself.  You could be a bread winner, have the dependent wife at home, and raise kids, and do the non-MGTOW thing.  Oh, you would see James Bond and aspire to have that.  You would watch sports and do the dream.  You would complain about the so-so state of things.  Of course, in this, that was if you were White and had college.

Well, what happened with the 1960s and onward is that people began to get away from this one income family and the wife entered the workforce and worked.  You see wages for the middle class flatlined in the 1970s.  You can’t do the one income any longer, and raise a family, and not max out your credit cards.  It just can’t happen.  With the wife working, you end up with what seems to be more “equal” relationships.  To some degree it can be seen as that, but what it means is people with their own money, feeling somewhat more free and feeling that what they have is theirs.  And you raise the kids with daycare and so on.  And that is IF the family stays together.  The wife can leave, and someone is getting alimony. These old rules of the traditional marriage doesn’t really work, unless one wants to become less of a person, and supposedly live on this “love” you are to get.  Kids are supposed to be all that.

Well, now we are with the Internet.  If you are top at what you do, commit to your craft, even if it means forgoing social norms, and be a success.  You can do it alone, just be exceptional at it.  And that requires one to go their own way.  Globalization also had an impact to scale things to.

I am sure I had more, but I think I touched on the main points. Feel free to comment below.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I could see economic advantages to a relationship if you managed to find a woman who had no debt and a decent job.  You’d just have to be smart about it, not marry her, and refuse to blend your finances at all.  Then again…the financial benefit you get from this arrangement would be no different than a the financial benefit you’d get from having a room mate.

As far as marriage goes though…unless you are marrying someone that makes like 200k+ a year and wants you to be a stay at home dad after you knock her up…F~~~ NO…do not ever get married, the potential to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in a divorce is not worth the meager tax benefits you might get for it.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

In here, I think this is why I was saying Going Your Own Way, as I wanted to frame in the context of being original, and doing things differently.  Playing by the rules doesn’t work.  MGTOW is first about being single, and not getting tied down, so it connects.  Just the being normal, and following social expectations, which is not a MGTOW way (the going your own way) side of things isn’t going to get you rich.  To find a rare woman who wants to go the different path would be great.  Odds are most women want something safer, and more a “stable job” which is increasingly a path to ruin.  In a large number of cases, they come along later after you did the work, and made the success without them, and they want a ride.  As a rider, and not a partner to the wealth and success, they don’t add much at all.  Oh, you get the kind words, maybe, and sex, but nothing that was part of the wealth.  And, if they leave, they take half of it, eventhough they had nothing to do with it.  Of course, the normal rich will go the trophy wife angle, to show off and appease normal people.  I think a key to MGTOW (one of many) is to not care about these impressions at all.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Solid SnakeParticipant 255]

Interesting topic, I was watching this “Vice News” video about the modern American family and the statistics and changes behind it all:

It raises some interesting statistics, also a few fembots on the panel as usual.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Solid Snake, remind me again why someone has issue with a guy going MGTOW, based on what is in the video?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Solid SnakeParticipant 255]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Solid Snake, remind me again why someone has issue with a guy going MGTOW, based on what is in the video?

Its not so much of an issue presented in there but it talks about families, single parents, statistics with $$$ figures, its just an interesting perspective comparing USA of 2015 USA to 1950s USA with some man hating in there from one of the panel members.

Interesting observation is that the most damaging situation to children is an unhappy marriage situation with conflict, according to them its hands down the worst situation for their upbringing than kids from single parents or divorced parents.

One of the figures in there is it costs $225,000 to raise a child, $225,000 buys you a house in a regional area or a f~~~ing nice car.

Economic advantages indeed, thats the bare minimum saving, what happens if you had the child, then had the divorce and had to pay child support/”alimony”, lose 50% of your s~~~ at a minimum or it turns nasty and you end up spending some time in jail through no fault of your own.

I’m not from the USA but I’m from your 51st state (Australia) lol.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Mgtow financial savings are legion and are many 😊

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

For myself, while it can be true it is so, I wasn’t actually looking at savings of NOT having a female partner.  I was actually looking at increasing earning potential and being able to really make it, by going one’s own way.  It was say of Napoleon, he really went downhill once he married.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

I’m crunching some numbers for another post I’m working on but here’s the headline figure I came up with for marriage here in the UK

The UK national average salary is currently £27,200 a year, about 21,600 after income tax and national insurance are deducted.

Assume that our victim is paid that salary over the course of his life and that all else remains even for convenience and that he was dumb enough to get married at 21.

Between “what’s mine is mine and what’s his is ours” while married, and child support and alimony in the event of a divorce and this guy could potentially end up paying out half his lifetime earnings or £432,000 by the time he retires at 60, worse still, had he been able to save/invest that money at a conservative trend of 5% a year it would have compounded to £1.3 million in the same time and pay him an income in retirement of over £65,000 a year.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

@britghow – The idea of the compound interest is one of the reasons I’ll probably never marry.  Maybe I only go into it with a 250k net worth…but compound that by maybe 6% average per year over the next 10 years and it’ll be 450k.  If I were to divorce at the 10 year mark…even if my original 250k was safe due to a prenup…200k worth of growth would be considered a marital asset…even though as long as the money sits in my investment account untouched its going to grow no matter if I’m married, single, or dead…yet she’d be entitled to 100k simply because it was accumulated during the marriage?  F~~~ that.

[Solid SnakeParticipant 255]

Here in Australia, the family court can override any legal framework for business, for example a “proprietary limited” company is its own legal entity, with its own bank accounts, cars, assets etc.

Tthe company gets sued for its assets not its directors (who run the company) or share holders (who own the company) if something goes wrong, limited liability for the directors.

Except if the Family Court comes after it in a divorce, then none of the above applies and they can and will over rule everything regardless.

A common question is what happens with a company when parties do their property settlement after separation.
The fact that a particular asset or liability is owned by a company can be overcome in family law property settlement applications, as the Court will look at who is actually in control of that asset or liability.

The difference between a Director and a Shareholder is that a:

Director is a controller of a company;

Shareholder is an owner of the company;

A Director may also be a Shareholder, which means that they both own and control the company.

Among other things, when dealing with a family law property settlement application, the Court can make orders as to:

Transfer shares owned by a shareholder to another person;

Have the Director of a company resign;

Relinquish any interest in a company.

The Court can make these Orders whether or not the Court has the consent of the parties.

Its all on the table, remember that.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

Unless the chick has the same spending habits as you, and will be your partner for eternity… then both of you will financially gain something.
Two incomes, less taxes, and less expenses per person.

However, the chances of that happening is probably 1 in 1 million if not less.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I don’t even date anymore so I save the money keeping women off the Puff n Stuff meal plan.

I’ve been having some fun and spending some money on my hobby, music. At the same time anyone that is married has already dropped out of the project. The non-married guys are going like gangbusters and we’re all having a great time.

Going my own way saves you much more than money. Freedom, time and aggravation are worth more and the savings in these area’s by going my own way has been immeasureable.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

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