The difference between feminists and MGTOW: Deceit and honesty.

[alchemistParticipant 484]

(I’m not proposing they are opposites, the opposite of a feminist is an MRA, but we MGTOW are still in opposition.)

Perhaps the most important differences between Feminists and MGTOW, is honesty;

Feminism is called FEMINism, but they say it’s about gender equality… if so then a more honest name would be “HUMANism”. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
Making a gender equality movement called Feminism is like making a racial equality movement called Whiteism.
Making a gender equality movement called feminism is like making “women’s club” and saying “everyone is invited!”… I smell something fishy about that, don’t you? Something perhaps just a little deceitful.

On the other hand, MGTOW is honest. Look at the definition provided on this very website- man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else.

sov·er·eign·ty
Noun. Meaning: Supreme power or authority. Autonomy, independence, self-government, self-rule, self-determination, freedom. Self-governing.

Nothing about “equality” in there. Everything about living according to a man’s own best interests.

Does this reflect what most MGTOW are doing? Does this reflect the actual actions of most MGTOW? Even if the answers to those questions are “no” it’s still more honest than feminism, because we never tried to convince anyone it was about anything but going our own way.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

There are far more differences between feminism & MGTOW than honesty, however, honesty is at the top of that list.

Some others: Honor, Duty, Fidelity, Consistency, Thoughtfulness, Integrity, Selflessness, et al.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[RoyDalParticipant]

alchemist wrote:

Perhaps the most important differences between Feminists and MGTOW, is honesty

Yep, got it on the first try.

alchemist wrote:

Feminism is called FEMINism, but they say it’s about gender equality…

They are lying about this, whether they know it or not they are lying.

alchemist wrote:

Making a gender equality movement called Feminism is like making a racial equality movement called Whiteism.

Yep, got it on one again.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 42]

alchemist wrote:

Making a gender equality movement called Feminism is like making a racial equality movement called Whiteism.

Very well spoken alchemist, your parables are accurate to within zero tolerance, perfect fit, the shoe fits and they’re wearing it, a perfect snapshot of the red stiletto with 50 years the blood dripping off it.

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

The ism in Feminism is because of their far left political adgenda. Eg. Socailism, Communism and Feminism.

There are no similarities between feminism and MGTOW because we’re not a political group and have little to no interest in social change. It’s a straw man argument and merely a go to insult that some groups like to hurl at the MGTOW community.

[MyCocaineKeymaster 182]

Making a gender equality movement called Feminism is like making a racial equality movement called Whiteism.

Quote of the day.

Month.

Year?

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

In my opinion, the greatest difference between MGTOW and others ism’s is that we do not politicize our s~~~
like the rest do and by not doing it, our s~~~ stays true.

Zero Tolerance

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Feminism has become it’s own religion. Men are the devil, and women are gods. They have a long, ever expanding list of demands that men must meet, that the world has to do to appease them.

Meanwhile, mgtow men have no demands. We solved all our problems the minute we went our own way. We are 1000000000% happier than fat, frumpy feminists. Feminism is a problem, MGTOW is a solution. Just my 2 cents.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

alchemist wrote:

Perhaps the most important differences between Feminists and MGTOW, is honesty

You said it. MGTOW doesn’t make any bones about it is. It’s nice to be part of a faction that doesn’t constantly contradict itself. It’s not a group which says that it wants one thing and then does another. Which is not to say that its members agree with each other about everything, many of us have different opinions and that’s fine, but the difference is that we don’t shame, guilt and berate our members for having different opinions. A woman will yammer on about how pro-women she is, then turn on another girl in a heartbeat if that girl disagrees with her approach. Just look at how rapidly feminists pounced on the “#WomenAgainstFeminism” movement. That lobby lasted for all of two weeks before being indignantly deleted on Tumblr. You’re just never allowed to challenge a feminist, even if her argument is utter bulls~~~ (which it usually is).

MGTOW’s far more upfront. Like the site is very barefaced about its men-only policy. No, it doesn’t allow women to join, but at least it’s honest about that. It’s very clear in the guidelines: “Men only, no exceptions.” We don’t have a banner that reads, “Everybody come on in, the water’s fine!” then say, “No, not you” when a girl double-clicks. That’s a hell of a lot more than can be said for feminism, which picks and chooses whatever’s convenient, while constantly waving the “We’re pro-everybody!” flag.

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

alchemist wrote:

Making a gender equality movement called Feminism is like making a racial equality movement called Whiteism.

This is the best quote I’ve read in a while. I’ve always tried to come up with analogy for the term feminism, but you did it perfectly.

Along with honesty, one of the main differences between MGTOW and feminsim, is that MGTOWs simply couldn’t give a f~~~ about gynocentric f~~~wads. We’ve mastered the art of stoicism, while living for ourselves.

We couldn’t give a f~~~ what women do. We simply don’t care.

Feminists on the other hand, hate men. They want all men to suffer endlessly. If they were about true equality, they would simply f~~~ off and leave us men alone.

But, they can’t do that. They need men.

We don’t need feminism or women. We’ll get along without them just fine. We couldn’t give a f~~~ what they do. We just stay out of their business and laugh at their stupidity from the side-lines.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Feminism is equality all right. They just have a different definiion for ‘equality’.

For equality considers two quantities. There can’t be “I am equal” or “You are equal”… It’d be “I am equal to you” or “you are equal to them”.

But with feminism, its like “women are equal, men are not”. That is what I think they preach. They never say “women are equal to men”. They just say “feminism mean equality”.

If you consider my definition of equality, you’d very well know that its just another word for privilege. “Women are equal” -> “Women are privileged” …. “Feminism is equaity” … “Feminism is priviege”. Makes sense.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[alchemistParticipant 484]

Two things have come to my mind after reading your replies;

-Firstly, thankyou for the compliments on my whiteism-feminism phrase 🙂

-Secondly; Women AREN’T equal to Men. I repeat, men and women are UN-equal. In strength, in differing cognitive abilities, even in physical form. Women can’t do everything a man can. and vice versa. Originally they wanted “equal rights” and they got that, so then that was transformed over time into “equality” and then things like equality of pay… but equal results are not possible if we naturally have different skill sets. Which brings me to the conclusion…

Anthony wrote:

alchemist wrote:

Making a gender equality movement called Feminism is like making a racial equality movement called Whiteism.

This is the best quote I’ve read in a while. I’ve always tried to come up with analogy for the term feminism, but you did it perfectly.

Thanks!

Feminists on the other hand, hate men. They want all men to suffer endlessly. If they were about true equality, they would simply f~~~ off and leave us men alone.

But, they can’t do that. They need men.

Right! They’ve got what they wanted initially (equal rights) however, just like Don Quixote they are still on a crusade against imaginary giants, the windmills of their minds.

This is the second key difference; we don’t need women but feminists need men, so that they have someone to blame.

The motivation behind feminists, SJWs, etc, is a deep and tangled convoluted mess of psychological issues and responsibility shifting (usually shifting responsibility away from them and to men) so I won’t get into that now… I could write a book on it- and I see Stealthy already did 😉

We look within ourselves for solutions to our problems- feminists make it all about this external patriarchal system over which they have no control or effect because it is imaginary so they will never truly overcome any of the problems they have because they are concentrating on conspiracy theories rather than questioning themselves- which is where the real issues are.

We give REAL advice for MEN. Feminists also give advice to men- and none for women! This is the result of the second key difference. And it dooms women to stagnation.

[Anonymous 0]

alchemist wrote:

[…]Perhaps the most important differences between Feminists and MGTOW, is honesty; […]

Another way that feminism is dishonest:

So-called “First-wave feminism” dates back to the Suffragettes in the early 20th century (the right to vote and all that). “Second-wave feminism” dates back to the 1960s and 1970s (women’s liberation, equal rights, the sexual revolution).

But things get fuzzy after that. Third-wave feminism dates to the 1990s. Everyone has a different idea of what Third-wave feminism means. There’s the “official” definition (which is so vague that it’s effectively meaningless), then there’s what SJWs are fighting for (which is pretty much everything under the sun). Then there’s political correctness, which feminists insist isn’t intrinsically part of feminism but seems to go hand-in-hand with it. Furthermore, some women claim to have moved on from 3rd-wave feminism and claim to be fighting for another wave altogether. And so on.

As a result, men can’t criticize “feminism” as a whole because then it sounds like they want to take away the vote from women and return to the 1800s. But men also can’t criticize “3rd-wave feminism” specifically, because it has never really been defined or spelled out. Feminists will respond, “Well, that’s not what I’m fighting for, anyway” or “3rd-wave feminism isn’t defined that way, anyway.”

So it becomes a moving target. “Third-wave feminism” means pretty much whatever an individual feminist wants it to mean. Feminists think they can make themselves immune to criticism by simply saying, “Well whatever you’re criticizing isn’t part of *my* feminism anyway.” It’s a con game, where men are invited to guess which thimble contains the marble, but they always guess wrong.

But at the same time, women will accuse you of “hate speech” if you criticize 3rd-wave feminism. In other words, no one even knows for sure what 3rd-wave feminism is. But they want to criminalize any criticism of it, whatever the hell it is…

In the end, it’s a f~~~ing cesspool of entitlement and bitching. No more, no less.

[AttonParticipant]

MGTOW is based on the individual, feminism is focused on the collective.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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