The Collapse of Society – What is your definition?

[X11Spectator 4520]

This is where I think the word “collapse” should be defined.

Yes parts of Detroit looks like a nuclear wasteland but I would not say society has collapse.

Entire cities based on mining have come and gone, that is just capitalism at work and nobody calls it the collapse of society.

I don’t think mgtow should be such drama queens and be more objective.

Economic failure can happen to moral societies and moral failure can exist in economically flourishing societies.

[X11Spectator 4520]

YouTube has hundreds of clips of abandoned towns and cities for different reasons.

There are modern high tech towns that are built and never lived in. More than you might think.

I find the topic fascinating since as a child I visited massive abandoned towns that ceased to exist in the last 100 years or more recent for economic reasons.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Keymaster wrote:

Just compare Hiroshima (Japan) with Detroit.

In 1945, Hiroshima was a-bombed and destroyed. Today it flourishes. At that time, Detroit was THE automotive industrial capital of the world. But look at it now – and it wasn’t even bombed.

It exploded from the INSIDE.

There’s your collapse.

In other words, Detroit’s future was female.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Haven’t read it yet but this book addresses the issue of what makes society’s collapse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

[Golgotha777Participant 326]

I can’t consider it a societal collapse until the basic functions of said society stop working. It may be in certain pockets, the example of detroit and flint given, but until it reaches Venezuelan levels, it’s still “functional”.

As for whether or not Trump is a puppet of the Illuminati, etc, it is of course possible, but it is also possible that people give social engineers too much credit. I don’t have faith in anyone to control as many variables as there are in nature.

“Don’t attribute to malice what you can incompetence.”

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

True societal collapse to me means basic life support systems grinding to a halt:

No more food in the grocery stores

No more running water

No fuel at the fuel pumps

No electricity

To be completely honest, I doubt my definition of societal collapse will happen in my lifetime.

I do however strongly believe that these basic modern necessities will grind down to be sporadic, haphazard and unreliable while I am still alive.

I think in another 20 years we will see the likes of the 1970s gas shortage on ALL of our basic necessities that are currently provided at modern convenience.

Days will go by with no food on the shelves. Days will go by with no electricity. Things will become more and more sporadic.

This is why I want to be as FAR away from civilization as possible, on my own homestead.

Starve out the parasites. Give them nothing. Reap what you sow.

[Anonymous 3]

NomadicExpat wrote:

True societal collapse to me means basic life support systems grinding to a halt:

No more food in the grocery stores

No more running water

No fuel at the fuel pumps

No electricity

To be completely honest, I doubt my definition of societal collapse will happen in my lifetime.

I do however strongly believe that these basic modern necessities will grind down to be sporadic, haphazard and unreliable while I am still alive.

I think in another 20 years we will see the likes of the 1970s gas shortage on ALL of our basic necessities that are currently provided at modern convenience.

Days will go by with no food on the shelves. Days will go by with no electricity. Things will become more and more sporadic.

This is why I want to be as FAR away from civilization as possible, on my own homestead.

Starve out the parasites. Give them nothing. Reap what you sow.

The cities will be the same hellholes they were in the past, when nobody wanted to live in them, they had high crime rates and lots of gang activity, and the people that were stuck there were completely broke.

The modern economy is fragile and the rich have more to lose than everyone else, but they’re pretty damn greedy and will probably screw it up anyway. They’ve forgotten how hard it was to walk around in the past anywhere, or to really get any luxury goods.

I don’t think people understand how s~~~ty it was, and how abnormal this modern life with fiat monetary wealth is. It’s probably not sustainable though.

No matter how many times people are told history that women had no value and were liabilities that had to pay a dowry to get married, it doesn’t sink in because they’ve been born into affluence where we can “work” at nonsense white collar jobs and make tons of money and use that to purchase goods and services. A banker and merchants paradise. Actually even less merchant and more nobles.

When s~~~ hits the fan, paychecks aren’t going to clear and even getting food in even a suburb will be a bitch, let alone a city. Nobody will care about a job title or income, or even that whole 6 feet tall thing that people want to think matters. I mean if you’re 7 feet tall that’ll probably matter, but that’s pretty rare. Actually even that will matter less than whoever has guns and ammo.

It won’t be pretty and nobody should want to live through it. I will probably be dead before then, so that’s something I guess. Anyone that wants to see it in action can always visit a third world country. Even the ghettos in the US don’t compare.

I’m still of the opinion that we need to shift to UBI and better shift resources around society while we still can, but that’s sure as hell not going to happen. Some other nation somewhere else will develop the robots, the AI and the infrastructure, while the West declines into the Dark Ages II. At least I don’t have any children to worry about.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

we need to shift to UBI and better shift resources around society while we still can

So you want to accelerate collapse?

[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

From my view. Once the currency goes. The whole party will come to an end. Societal bonds are already paper thin.

The culture we have now is based on servicing debt to keep up with the Jones’. Also SJW empty platitudes, if you publicly disagree with you’re sued out of your high earning profession.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

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