The Bitterest Pill

[TwistParticipant]

Not that the first pill was easy, but this one is very hard to choke down. The first one came after ages of trying to make xW happy, of investing so much time, effort and capital in a useless cause. Of having the one person who swore to have my back, rather stick a knife in it. And then reading and finally grasping that AWALT. That was a bitter pill, one I finally choked down, but also one I can still taste.

This next pill really hurts. I have two daughters, knew them since conception. Had never held a baby before daughter 1 was born, but I tried my damnedest to be the best father possible. Again, a huge investment of time, effort and capital, all offered with gratitude (by me) that I was blessed being able to do such.

Fast forward to xW moving out to pursue her lesbian self-actualization. The girls being groomed by their mother and assorted lieutenants to tag along quietly, accepting the largess showered upon them.

And them turning their backs on me, their father. Without an explanation, without even a goodbye. Gone, and in light of <10 hours contact in over four years, gone.

I blamed it on a personality disordered mother, on brainwashing, threatening, bribery, whatever… Blamed it on any outside agency I could turn my anger on.

But the pill I am now considering taking is the bitterest. This pill paints my daughters as AWALT. And I am building up to choking this one down next.

BitterestPill

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Hard pill to swallow, indeed…

But it is just like that, women are women, period. What they see other women doing, is what they will do, the Borg mind is strong, and we men cannot fathom it. Neither kill it.

I feel really sorry for you, brother, but that is how it is. Dirty, acid, but necessary.

I hope you recover from it.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

I blamed it on a personality disordered mother, on brainwashing, threatening, bribery, whatever… Blamed it on any outside agency I could turn my anger on.

But the pill I am now considering taking is the bitterest. This pill paints my daughters as AWALT. And I am building up to choking this one down next.

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That is a tough pill brother as a father of a 14 year old girl I can certainly relate.

As she gets older her level of manipulation increases year by year.

My love for my child will never cease, but AWALT.

As for yourself the best revenge in life is to live well. Try to let it go, move on, and live well.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Twist wrote:

But the pill I am now considering taking is the bitterest. This pill paints my daughters as AWALT. And I am building up to choking this one down next.
BitterestPill

I have two daughters myself. And that is a pill I will never swallow. I consider my primary job with them to make sure that they won’t turn out that way. Can I do it? I don’t know. I know it’s swimming upstream against a damn strong current. But they are my kids and I want them to be better than that.

But it does feel like a constant battle. I’ve talked to both of them in the last two nights about Trump. To the younger one it was about why there are three branches of government and that Trump can’t just do anything he wants to do. To the high school daughter it was more about how the policies of past Presidents have killed small towns and the people there want jobs. It doesn’t make them racist, sexist, whatever -ist you want to stick them with. Trump understands why jobs left America because he ran a business that was affected by those policies and had to move his jobs overseas. It’s interesting to see just how far to the left our schools are and the bulls~~~ brainwashing they get on a daily basis.

But here’s the thing. If I can continually point it out to them and get them to be aware of when they are being fed propaganda then they’ll be better people for it. And remember the saying, you don’t have to outrun the bear, just the slowest person with you. They may not be perfect, but they’ll be better than the rest of princesses they grow up with.

Twist, all I can say is you never know. Unfortunately, you don’t know what they are thinking all of the time. They may think mom is bat s~~~ crazy and when they turn 18 they may never want to talk to her again. It may be years from now, but hopefully you can still have the time to have an influence on them.

I feel from you brother. I don’t see my kids much, but I do see them regularly. I can’t imagine what it feels like to not see them at all.

Order the good wine

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

Twist wrote:

Not that the first pill was easy, but this one is very hard to choke down. The first one came after ages of trying to make xW happy, of investing so much time, effort and capital in a useless cause. Of having the one person who swore to have my back, rather stick a knife in it. And then reading and finally grasping that AWALT. That was a bitter pill, one I finally choked down, but also one I can still taste.

This next pill really hurts. I have two daughters, knew them since conception. Had never held a baby before daughter 1 was born, but I tried my damnedest to be the best father possible. Again, a huge investment of time, effort and capital, all offered with gratitude (by me) that I was blessed being able to do such.

Fast forward to xW moving out to pursue her lesbian self-actualization. The girls being groomed by their mother and assorted lieutenants to tag along quietly, accepting the largess showered upon them.

And them turning their backs on me, their father. Without an explanation, without even a goodbye. Gone, and in light of <10 hours contact in over four years, gone.

I blamed it on a personality disordered mother, on brainwashing, threatening, bribery, whatever… Blamed it on any outside agency I could turn my anger on.

But the pill I am now considering taking is the bitterest. This pill paints my daughters as AWALT. And I am building up to choking this one down next.

BitterestPill

Pretty soon you’ll be able to take the biggest bitterest pill without any regrets remorse or pain. I too have adult daughters one is married the other one lives with her boyfriend. It is a very difficult thing to realize but your daughters are women first. Once I understood this principle it was a lot easier for me to understand my own daughters. Turd flinging monkey and his huge diatribe on female nature really helped me to cement this idea in my head. It is so important to just realize for me that my kids are just human beings and at that women. If I remember this first I don’t have any problem with all of the other problems that come after that. I feel sad when I hear your story because I remember how f~~~ed up it was to live with 3 women. Talk about own group preference. I always did have boy dogs though.

Twist this pill is going to be tolerable

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Anonymous 43]

I’m a couple miles ahead on the same road, Twist

Ex c~~~ manipulated my kids into telling me to f~~~ off.

The next thing I dread is the kids “come to their senses” and return to me, all apologetic and then when I reward them for their sensible decision, they betray me again. Or worse, they are being directed by the c~~~ to jerk me around.

The answer to that problem is to ….duh…. go your own way. Stay away from toxic people in general, more specifically stay away from toxic family.

I know how the conversation will go…

Dad, im so sorry I told you to f~~~ off. I felt awful about it later but I just couldn’t tell you then and you wouldn’t have heard me because you looked really upset. Daddy, you know I always loved you, right. No matter what is what you told me, that’s how much you love me.

Mom told us horrible things about you, and I knew she was lying to us, but we had to go along with all those nasty lies. I was young and foolish, and I had to do whatever she told us to do. We didn’t really have a choice. Deep down I knew you were a decent man and an excellent father.

Daddy I need your help. See, my boyfriend {wrecked my car and I need a new one} {got caught holding someone else drugs and needs bail money} or I {need money for tuition} {need a quick abortion} {need surgery to correct a perceived boob deficiency}

I know you want to help but I don’t want to tell mom, you know how she is. Please Daddy, I won’t tell her you gave me the money. And then things can go back to the way things used to be. I’m older now and I can drive out to visit you now, and we can hang out together. It’ll be great.

I still agonize over this…someday my kids will come back around…do I answer the door or not. I am leaning more towards “I don’t have any children.” I tell people that “my children are lost.”

I do not want to be assraped in court for whatever reason again. Proximity to my toxic children increases my risk harm exponentially.

MGTOW may be a lot of things, but one aspect that is most certain is risk and damage aversion.

[BoarParticipant]

Sorry about that pill.

I cannot offer any insights of my own, but I can recommend the book titled, ‘F*ck Feelings.’ They have an entire chapter on children and what you can and cannot do to guide them. At the end of it, ‘once they leave your body, you really have no control over how they turn out.’

Sucks, but that is largely true. except in this society you have the additional benefits of being f~~~ed over.

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

Anonymous wrote:

I’m a couple miles ahead on the same road, Twist

Ex c~~~ manipulated my kids into telling me to f~~~ off.

The next thing I dread is the kids “come to their senses” and return to me, all apologetic and then when I reward them for their sensible decision, they betray me again. Or worse, they are being directed by the c~~~ to jerk me around.

The answer to that problem is to ….duh…. go your own way. Stay away from toxic people in general, more specifically stay away from toxic family.

I know how the conversation will go…

Dad, im so sorry I told you to f~~~ off. I felt awful about it later but I just couldn’t tell you then and you wouldn’t have heard me because you looked really upset. Daddy, you know I always loved you, right. No matter what is what you told me, that’s how much you love me.

Mom told us horrible things about you, and I knew she was lying to us, but we had to go along with all those nasty lies. I was young and foolish, and I had to do whatever she told us to do. We didn’t really have a choice. Deep down I knew you were a decent man and an excellent father.

Daddy I need your help. See, my boyfriend {wrecked my car and I need a new one} {got caught holding someone else drugs and needs bail money} or I {need money for tuition} {need a quick abortion} {need surgery to correct a perceived boob deficiency}

I know you want to help but I don’t want to tell mom, you know how she is. Please Daddy, I won’t tell her you gave me the money. And then things can go back to the way things used to be. I’m older now and I can drive out to visit you now, and we can hang out together. It’ll be great.

I still agonize over this…someday my kids will come back around…do I answer the door or not. I am leaning more towards “I don’t have any children.” I tell people that “my children are lost.”

I do not want to be assraped in court for whatever reason again. Proximity to my toxic children increases my risk harm exponentially.

MGTOW may be a lot of things, but one aspect that is most certain is risk and damage aversion.

Let me give you the next installment. So in 2008 well on my way to being divorced I happened to get back in touch with my oldest daughter at the time 26. What ends up happening is they used us exactly the same way all women used us. She claimed to be in a horrible marriage wanted to come back and live with me and my girlfriend at the time. Like an idiot I agreed. Here’s the problem once I begin to help my daughter she expects me to help her. You can see where I’m going with this. Female nature says that if a man is taking care of you you’re okay or at least that’s how her mother was. So my daughter allowed me to take care of her when she was a fully capable adult. This is almost Beyond White Knight blue pill just into the realm of total mental retardation. Once I saw the situation for what it was it was not hard at all to get her to leave. I just told her you’re 30 years old you’re an adult you’re going to have to go make it on your own. That’s a hard conversation to have with a daughter one who claims to be disabled. Had to do it have to do it have to stay sane have to have the oxygen mask first

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[AkanbiParticipant 2120]

If I had a daughter, I would teach her to have more to offer than her body.

That’s the best I would be able to do because at the end of the day, female nature will always be female nature and All Women will always be Like That.

My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

Twist wrote:

But the pill I am now considering taking is the bitterest. This pill paints my daughters as AWALT. And I am building up to choking this one down next.

I have no kids myself so I can not directly feel your pain, but for your own family to turn to the “other” side is def a hard pill to swallow, I wish you the best of luck buddy… we are here for you!

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

The bitterest pill is the one that does you the most good.

And talking about the bitterness of the pill teaches other men to avoid making the same mistakes you made. Without your warnings other younger men might have unwittingly walked into the the same trap you unfortunately did.

I feel sorry for the loss of your daughters. Having avoided having children myself, I cannot comprehend how awful that must be. But I hope you take some consolation that by teaching the young men of today about your own experience, by saving them from making the same mistake of trusting women and the state, you at least have some sons in MGTOW.

[TwistParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

And talking about the bitterness of the pill teaches other men to avoid making the same mistakes you made. Without your warnings other younger men might have unwittingly walked into the the same trap you unfortunately did.

I see this as the most important contribution I can make.

Since I missed gifting Obama with a perfect shovel-ready opportunity.

Thanks for all the comments. I can’t tell you how much it helps.

[WA4SWJParticipant 366]

Sidecar,

Your quote really hit me:

you at least have some sons in MGTOW.

Due to an ex-wife who aborted 3 of our children and told me I had no input to that decision, I have never had children. The abortions of my children haunt me to this day. She refused to use birth control and minimized the quantity of sex to both try to avoid pregnancy and avoid physical contact due to the fact she hates men. When I see cute small children out in public they always stop me in my tracks and cause me to wonder what my own aborted children would have been like. I also cannot imagine losing children you love like Twist has. But your quote is quite insightful. We older guys (I’m 66 now) can, and as I’ve seen here, do offer advice and suggestions to younger men. I look at this like being a sort of teacher as well as a possible mentor. I hope in some small way over time that I can help too. Thanks for the thought and one last thing: My biggest true regret in life is that I ever got married. Marriage did not do a single positive thing for me. I don’t have a family, it cost me a TON of money and caused a lot of pain and frustration. Stay away younger guys and don’t let anyone shame you into a marriage contract. Once love is gone (if there ever was any in the first place), divorce becomes a business decision only – regardless of the pain felt in your heart. My strongest encouragement to avoid marriage goes out to you.

Ed

Ed

[Anonymous 43]

wa4sjw

dude yer story is a 2buh4 to the face.
what an evil bitch murdering 3 kids. F~~~ that noise she is pure evil

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Twist-

I’m so sorry you are going through this.

A lot of us here were betrayed by women who were supposed to love us. It particular hurts when family betrays us.

You have nothing to feel guilty over- it sounds like you were a great father and husband.
Women are nuts these days.
I’m sure you will hear from your daughters again. When women run amuck, there is not a lot to do.

In the mean time make some new friends. Consider a dog. You will see better days.

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