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Hello fellow MGTOW Members, I’m glad that I found this forum to help support and advocate for my beliefs (MGTOW) which I had before I even knew that there was an organized group that supported my views.
I’m a 31 year old, single Black guy, with no kids, never married and I work in Commercial Finance. I have an MBA, three bachelor’s degrees, and from reviewing the four levels of MGTOW, I consider myself to be a Level 2. I still date women but only within short term relationships which includes friends with benefits, dating and occasional escorts. I have decided to opt out of EVER getting married, making children or doing any type of cohabitation with women due to:
– The inefficiencies of the Family Court
– The belief that the marriage would come to an end eventually and seeing as though a Pre-Nup isn’t really “insurance,” I can only project a financial loss from getting married.
– The belief that while I believe I COULD be a decent Father, I don’t believe that today’s society will allow a man to truly Father his children in terms of instilling real discipline, accountability and efficiency.
– The belief that cohabiting with any woman doesn’t end well, for one living with her will likely be hell (I’m a clean freak and most women I date are messy as hell), and while I’m not in a Common Law State I still don’t want any drama.
In addition to these decisions, I have decided to NOT invest in Real Estate as a Primary Residence due to the desire to want to remain mobile and not tied to any one location going forward. This protects me in case my investment goes sour for things beyond my control such as the area going to hell, the property going to hell, etc. I want to also remain mobile as mentioned, so if opportunities exist in other places of the country (or outside of it) I can easily move there.
I will continue to rent what’s defined as “Luxury Apartment” rentals in Suburb areas, but with what I deem efficient lease costs. Right now I’m in Clinton Township, MI which is a Suburb and upper scale area, paying $740 a month for a one bedroom apartment. The apartment comes with free water, free heat, a free large fitness center, large business center, a large resort like swimming pool area with about three very large swimming pools, as well as all of the amenities such as washer, dryer, lakefront patio, etc. The entire complex is very large with a lot of walking, jogging, etc. areas including a nice lighted bridge which is very romantic. I can post pictures of the complex if anybody wants to inquire.
I’m happy to make contributions to this forum. I’m also a person that believes that organized Religion is mainly a Scam for “church people” to obtain free donations from the impoverished church members to ride around in luxury cars. I do believe in a God, but I’m more of an advocate of Lee Blandon’s Esoteric Science study which believes that Science and Spirituality are two sides of the same coin.
I look forward to networking and meeting some of you guys.
Anonymous42@tenacity, I’m white guy at the far east end of the rust belt(New England), I’m selling everything with a tax bill, I see rust all the time!
Welcome to MGTOW My rust belt Brother! In the end we’ll do just fine!The belief that while I believe I COULD be a decent Father, I don’t believe that today’s society will allow a man to truly Father his children in terms of instilling real discipline, accountability and efficiency.
My friend. You and I are in total agreement.
With all of it. But that ^^ sentence especially.Although I COULD have been a father (and almost became one twice) not even that decision was mine.
And for watching my father slowly disappear into the workshop or garage because he couldn’t do anything either.Welcome to MGTOW in a big way.
Would be very interested to know what you know (or think) about MGTOW in the black community which spawned it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Welcome Tenacity,
Given your stated philosophy above, you will find many friends here. I’m 48, but wish I had known about mgtow when I was your age. It would have saved me some trouble. You are at an age where single women start to panic if they don’t already have kids. And what they become willing to do to have kids by someone educated and employed like yourself (from whom she and the state can extract resources) is going to become a lot more desperate and irrational than anything you may have seen from them before. Be very carful. You are a prized target now, and the more you build your own resources, the more prized you will become and the more determined women will become to find a way to take those resources from you.I can’t remember if it was Frank Zappa or Bob Dylan who said something to the effect that, “It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you…”.
Stay safe.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I’m 46 and welcome you to the reality of it all…
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
Anonymous5Welcome. Just remember that women are crazy and see you as their meal ticket to a lazy life as they take all your money and suck the soul out of you. Always be one step ahead and you will be alright. You are in a great place in life, don’t let those vultures try to take that away from you.
Tenacity I have you by 20 years I am 52 in two weeks. Two years after this picture was taken, at the age of 27 I got married, 12 years later divorced, 13 years after that or last year my daughter graduated high school child support was over. Those were my best years physically. Protect yourself at all times as the ref says.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
26 years later me now, I feel so tired sometimes.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Thanks for all of the replies guys!
Keymaster, in relation to MGTOW in the Black Community, if my research is correct I don’t believe that MGTOW is as wide spread with Black Men as it is with White Men, mainly due to the breakdown of the Black Community as a whole and liberalism.
The Black Community is pretty much a matriarchy and on top of this, the Black Community has been taken over by far left liberals to the point where if you even CRITICIZE a black woman about their attitude, the Family Court, Child Support, etc., you will have a gang of black “men” ready to beat you down.
I consider myself a Moderate Republican (fiscal conservative and social moderate), as a result, I really have no “place” in the Black Community where the narrative is that the white man is out to get everybody and that slavery is the reason for everybody’s problems instead of their own personal choices. A black guy over the age of 30 that’s STILL living in his mother’s basement isn’t a loser because of his own personal choices, no, the narrative says that he’s a loser because “the white man” put him there.
I can’t see Black Men as a whole becoming MGTOW, most of them are losers, live off their women (or their mother), and are so far left indoctrinated that anything a woman does is worshipped. Matter of fact, most Black Men would call MGTOW men “gay” because if you live your life for anything OTHER than pvssy, then apparently there’s something wrong with you.
That’s fascinating to get your take on this.
I’m truly surprised to hear that, and it’s practically the reverse of what we have uncovered / discovered. There is a widespread conviction that MGTOW actually ORIGINATED in the black community… with 70% of black American women being single – which is such a widespread problem ( the largest population of single mothers ) that it was featured on Oprah and Tyra. In the video, a black man says black men have absolutely HAD it with black women…. and talks about how they come on youtube as a sort of “final” farewell to black women in general.
It would seem to the outside observer MGTOW has actually hit black women the hardest.
… since women were encouraged to remove men from the household to gain access to government welfare.
The men were then BLAMED for the fatherlessness that ensued.The Oprah feature flipped the script of course, and made out like black MEN were the problem and black women were shunning them, but that’s not really the case. In reality, they maintain black women have become so confrontational, even violent, and “unbearable to form lasting bonds with” (paraphrase).
Barbarossa (very prominent Youtube MGHOW video author) is black, more than highly intelligent, and speaks about PUA culture also originating in the black community. And the MBA Experience (Marcus Brown) has similar to say about it. The number of black MGTOW is astonishing and have listen to many dozens on youtube – even years ago when MGTOW was well below any radar.
I can’t see Black Men as a whole becoming MGTOW, most of them are losers, live off their women (or their mother), and are so far left indoctrinated that anything a woman does is worshipped. Matter of fact, most Black Men would call MGTOW men “gay” because if you live your life for anything OTHER than pvssy, then apparently there’s something wrong with you.
That is the most surprising paragraph of all. But then again, not really, because PUAs also compete with other men for access to females… and any man who isn’t interested in fighting (or competing) with other men for vagina must of course be “gay”.
Thank you for giving your view on this. Most interesting.
I’ll leave you with this if you’re interested… about where and how “game” arose.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@harpomason. That shot on your “horse” is triumphant to say the least. Look at that guy. Damn, It makes me want a motorbike. Although I live in a big city I would probably be killed in traffic before the week is out.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.KeyMaster,
Got it, I also didn’t know bar bar was Black? That’s pretty cool. As a whole, I don’t believe that the reason most Black women are single is because Black Men are following MGTOW principles as a majority. I believe the majority of Black Men just aren’t marrying Black Women (many of them not even fathering their children) because of the culture of the Black Community as a whole. Being a stand-up “man” just isn’t a requirement, and on top of this I would say as a whole Black Women have surpassed Black Men in terms of income, networks, and career mobility. As a result, Black Women aren’t marrying because they can’t find a good amount of suitable candidates.
I could be wrong though, but this is my analysis.
Tenacity I up-voted your last reply because you gave me some incite into the Black Community that I was unaware of.
“I learned something.” Good for you for freeing your mind. About being a social moderate: Its just my opinion but I believe all social programs are a scourge and at least one female agrees Margret Thatcher said ” The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money”
To all the young people who believe the government’s job is to make things fair. Remember your views today for when you get older they should change. The governments job is to protect my rights. Beyond that they should leave me alone. “If your not a socialist thinker when your young, you have no HEART” but ” If your still a socialist thinker when your old, you have no “BRAIN”
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Yes, not to keep ranting on the Black Community but the culture is broken. The culture has been taken over by far left politicians to the point where all ration and logic are out of the window, and you are ONLY supposed to go along with a defined narrative that’s presented to you.
The narrative is, “You are black, white people hate you, as a result you are a victim and anything you do is not truly your fault but the fault of white people in some capacity such as the history of slavery, the history of Jim Crow, white supremacy or present day institutionalized racism.”
– As a result of this narrative, you have 95% of black people voting Democrat only, because it’s only the Democrat Party that the narrative says will “fight for black people in oppression to the evil white man”.
– Also as a result of this narrative, when you have the majority of black people being apart of the ghetto, ratchet, thug culture, NOTHING that they do is their fault, but it’s the fault of the white man (or white supremacy) in some form or fashion. So you have black teens running around doing the Knockout Game? That’s not their fault, it’s the fault of white supremacy. You have black women making 7 kids by 7 deadbeat thugs, that’s not her fault, it’s the fault of white supremacy. You have 35 year old black men still in their mother’s basement with no goals, ambitions, etc., that’s not his fault, it’s the fault of white supremacy. You have black people being loud, ghetto, ratchet, thugs, selling drugs, going in and out of prison, can’t keep a job, etc., etc., that’s not THEIR fault, it’s the fault of white supremacy.
That’s the narrative, and when you as a Black Man (or woman) see this for what it is (bullshyt) then you are called a sell-out to your race and you are mocked for “turning on your people”. That’s the black community TODAY. I honestly believe that Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, and everybody else from the Civil Rights Movement are turning over in their grave.
Tenacity, as a white southern man I already accept everything is my fault (according to those in the ghetto). As hard as this may be, you’re gonna have to walk away from them, if they want to wallow in self pity and their own bad decisions, so be it. You take care of you, and let the rest of the world burn….
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
The narrative is, “You are black, white people hate you, as a result you are a victim and anything you do is not truly your fault but the fault of white people in some capacity such as the history of slavery, the history of Jim Crow, white supremacy or present day institutionalized racism.”
Tenacity another thumbs up “I am educated once more” Do you think the mainstream media promotes that narrative? would love to hear your take on that and race baiting in the media.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
….Tenacity another thumbs up “I am educated once more” Do you think the mainstream media promotes that narrative? would love to hear your take on that and race baiting in the media.
To Smitty above I feel your pain brother, even working class whites are seen as having “privilege” which again, makes no sense.
Harpomason I believe the narrative was created sometime in the late 1960s by the far left, Progressive Movement which at the time was also creating other movements such as the Feminist Movement, Welfare Movement, etc. I honestly believe it was a ploy to divide the country in which the Civil Rights Movement through the elimination of Jim Crow was finally getting to some sort of unity “finally” between the two major races.
The Far Left-Progressive Movement created a new War, a War that we are still in today and it’s the Class War. It’s the War of the Haves v.s. the Have Nots, where the Have Nots blame all of problems on the Haves for not sharing the wealth, spreading it around, etc., in some capacity.
The Black Race is the only identified Race in the country that has been TOTALLY taken over by the Far Left Progressive Movement. All other races are split between having liberal, moderate and conservative views, and if you have EITHER view your loyalty to your race isn’t called into question.
The Black Race is the ONLY race that has to embrace the Far Left-Progressive Movement, in that fashion, I do believe it’s an agenda behind it to keep Black people as a majority in a “victimized” state as forever being “Have Nots”. It’s almost like the Blacks have been programmed to think a certain way, view themselves a certain way, view America a certain way, INSPITE of advice showing otherwise. Basically, it’s already laid out for you how you are supposed to vote, how you are supposed to think, how you are supposed to worship, etc., and if you decide to go against any of that then without question you are immediately “turning your back on your race” and are an Uncle Tom, Coon, Sambo, White-Wash, etc.
It’s why if you noticed, you always see “educated and professional” Blacks called Uncle Tom and sell-outs by other Black People and Far-Left Progressives. You NEVER have seen the typical thug, drug-dealer, stripper, pimp, jailbird, ex-convict, or any black person/black people currently engaged in stupid/ratchet behavior labeled as Uncle Toms and sell-outs. Now ask yourself why? I’ll tell you why, it’s because those blacks are following the narrative set out that “the white man” is out to get us and the educated/career minded blacks are NOT following that narrative.
While you will have most educated and professional blacks still voting for Far-Left Progressives, most of them are again just following the “you are black and this is how you are supposed to operate” type of mentality. Most of them are voting against their best interest by voting to increase taxes (which reduces their salary and perks) to support irresponsible thugs and welfare queens.
In today’s Black Community, the “bad blacks” are the ones with the MBAs, PhDs, solid careers, who actually PARENT their children, who are good with finances, and whose network includes a variety of people. The “good blacks” include the typical thug, drug-dealer, stripper, pimp, jailbird, ex-convict, or any black person/black people currently engaged in stupid/ratchet behavior. The Black people with solid careers and higher education are “holding back” in some way the other blacks, and are the true “evil-doers” in the Black Community.
That’s why as mentioned, I left the Black Community a long time ago and one of the main reasons I’m not buying real estate, is that I want to be able to MOVE when the ratchet move into my area. It will take awhile before Clinton Township becomes “ratchet” because they can’t afford to live out here, but in other places of Metro Detroit that were once Suburbs, the ratchets have moved in and turned it to Detroit and Flint in no time.
Anonymous42@tenacity, My fathers shop was in a black neighborhood, I understand everything you’re saying, I had black friends, as well as white. We worked fixing up the shop and making something better than it was. A black woman (resident) across the street from our shop had the nerve to say to us; “why don’t you go back to your home in the suburbs”, we did nothing to her! I live in a rural area now. Another instance of hatred I received by a black women was when I graciously moved her shopping cart to the side of the isle so I could pass, she violently grabbed her cart and yanked it to the side, as if I were assaulting her, it actually frightened me, she was extremely annoyed with me(if looks could kill, I’d be burned alive) I did nothing to this woman! The black vs. white/ white vs. black is a hoax. I have no hatred toward persons based on race, religion, nationality, or the color of their skin. I also have retreated from the “nothing” as it consumes all in it’s path! You are a reasonable man, that’s why we can communicate man to man, and I thank you for your perspective, it matches mine, we see the color of red or blue, not black or white, that’s the difference…
Thanks so much for taking the time to type that out. I am a have not, but only because I practice being, a need not. I am slowly getting my ambitious nature back after putting it aside for so many years. Like you I want to remain very mobile. I moved back to Texas with everything I own in one pick up truck load. I may downsize further and get another bike. You have a good situational awareness and should have no problem defining yourself without interference from the good or bad blacks. I am proud to know you as just another man. Peace and good luck
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Hi Tenacity and All, I am brand new to this community as well. I think it’s great that regardless of our race, age, and background, us MGTOWers can all come to one conclusion: the world, generally, has become a very tough place for men to be free and happy. Although, I think anything is possible, I’m not interested in dating American or feminist Western women. I’ve read a few times in MGTOW readings that we are expecting an economic collapse, partly due to all the workforce inefficiencies involved in promoting women to better paying jobs over qualified men, partly due to gov/public spending on social programs that support single women and feminism, and partly due to big-business swallowing small-business started by (mostly) male entrepreneurs. The attack on men is hurting the whole world, in particular women, and I already start to see signs of a collapse. In NYC, I was walking down several streets and noticed something I haven’t seen in years … establishments that have been here for decades are starting to close. There was even one entire street where all stores where closed, up for rent, with going out of business signs. I’ve never seen this before even, as the 2007 bubble finally burst over on this side. I sense a collapse, so I am warning all to pay attention and prepare, so that men can rise once again in the wake of a collapse should one happen soon. Our time will come again.
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