Hello fellow MGTOW Members, I’m glad that I found this forum to help support and advocate for my beliefs (MGTOW) which I had before I even knew that there was an organized group that supported my views.

I’m a 31 year old, single Black guy, with no kids, never married and I work in Commercial Finance. I have an MBA, three bachelor’s degrees, and from reviewing the four levels of MGTOW, I consider myself to be a Level 2. I still date women but only within short term relationships which includes friends with benefits, dating and occasional escorts. I have decided to opt out of EVER getting married, making children or doing any type of cohabitation with women due to:

– The inefficiencies of the Family Court

– The belief that the marriage would come to an end eventually and seeing as though a Pre-Nup isn’t really “insurance,” I can only project a financial loss from getting married.

– The belief that while I believe I COULD be a decent Father, I don’t believe that today’s society will allow a man to truly Father his children in terms of instilling real discipline, accountability and efficiency.

– The belief that cohabiting with any woman doesn’t end well, for one living with her will likely be hell (I’m a clean freak and most women I date are messy as hell), and while I’m not in a Common Law State I still don’t want any drama.

In addition to these decisions, I have decided to NOT invest in Real Estate as a Primary Residence due to the desire to want to remain mobile and not tied to any one location going forward. This protects me in case my investment goes sour for things beyond my control such as the area going to hell, the property going to hell, etc. I want to also remain mobile as mentioned, so if opportunities exist in other places of the country (or outside of it) I can easily move there.

I will continue to rent what’s defined as “Luxury Apartment” rentals in Suburb areas, but with what I deem efficient lease costs. Right now I’m in Clinton Township, MI which is a Suburb and upper scale area, paying $740 a month for a one bedroom apartment. The apartment comes with free water, free heat, a free large fitness center, large business center, a large resort like swimming pool area with about three very large swimming pools, as well as all of the amenities such as washer, dryer, lakefront patio, etc. The entire complex is very large with a lot of walking, jogging, etc. areas including a nice lighted bridge which is very romantic. I can post pictures of the complex if anybody wants to inquire.

I’m happy to make contributions to this forum. I’m also a person that believes that organized Religion is mainly a Scam for “church people” to obtain free donations from the impoverished church members to ride around in luxury cars. I do believe in a God, but I’m more of an advocate of Lee Blandon’s Esoteric Science study which believes that Science and Spirituality are two sides of the same coin.

I look forward to networking and meeting some of you guys.

The belief that while I believe I COULD be a decent Father, I don’t believe that today’s society will allow a man to truly Father his children in terms of instilling real discipline, accountability and efficiency.

My friend. You and I are in total agreement.
With all of it. But that ^^ sentence especially.

Although I COULD have been a father (and almost became one twice) not even that decision was mine.
And for watching my father slowly disappear into the workshop or garage because he couldn’t do anything either.

Welcome to MGTOW in a big way.

Would be very interested to know what you know (or think) about MGTOW in the black community which spawned it.

I can’t remember if it was Frank Zappa or Bob Dylan who said something to the effect that, “It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you…”.

Stay safe.

Thanks for all of the replies guys!

Keymaster, in relation to MGTOW in the Black Community, if my research is correct I don’t believe that MGTOW is as wide spread with Black Men as it is with White Men, mainly due to the breakdown of the Black Community as a whole and liberalism.

The Black Community is pretty much a matriarchy and on top of this, the Black Community has been taken over by far left liberals to the point where if you even CRITICIZE a black woman about their attitude, the Family Court, Child Support, etc., you will have a gang of black “men” ready to beat you down.

I consider myself a Moderate Republican (fiscal conservative and social moderate), as a result, I really have no “place” in the Black Community where the narrative is that the white man is out to get everybody and that slavery is the reason for everybody’s problems instead of their own personal choices. A black guy over the age of 30 that’s STILL living in his mother’s basement isn’t a loser because of his own personal choices, no, the narrative says that he’s a loser because “the white man” put him there.

I can’t see Black Men as a whole becoming MGTOW, most of them are losers, live off their women (or their mother), and are so far left indoctrinated that anything a woman does is worshipped. Matter of fact, most Black Men would call MGTOW men “gay” because if you live your life for anything OTHER than pvssy, then apparently there’s something wrong with you.

I’m truly surprised to hear that, and it’s practically the reverse of what we have uncovered / discovered. There is a widespread conviction that MGTOW actually ORIGINATED in the black community… with 70% of black American women being single – which is such a widespread problem ( the largest population of single mothers ) that it was featured on Oprah and Tyra. In the video, a black man says black men have absolutely HAD it with black women…. and talks about how they come on youtube as a sort of “final” farewell to black women in general.

It would seem to the outside observer MGTOW has actually hit black women the hardest.
… since women were encouraged to remove men from the household to gain access to government welfare.
The men were then BLAMED for the fatherlessness that ensued.

The Oprah feature flipped the script of course, and made out like black MEN were the problem and black women were shunning them, but that’s not really the case. In reality, they maintain black women have become so confrontational, even violent, and “unbearable to form lasting bonds with” (paraphrase).

Barbarossa (very prominent Youtube MGHOW video author) is black, more than highly intelligent, and speaks about PUA culture also originating in the black community. And the MBA Experience (Marcus Brown) has similar to say about it. The number of black MGTOW is astonishing and have listen to many dozens on youtube – even years ago when MGTOW was well below any radar.

Tenacity wrote:

I can’t see Black Men as a whole becoming MGTOW, most of them are losers, live off their women (or their mother), and are so far left indoctrinated that anything a woman does is worshipped. Matter of fact, most Black Men would call MGTOW men “gay” because if you live your life for anything OTHER than pvssy, then apparently there’s something wrong with you.

That is the most surprising paragraph of all. But then again, not really, because PUAs also compete with other men for access to females… and any man who isn’t interested in fighting (or competing) with other men for vagina must of course be “gay”.

Thank you for giving your view on this. Most interesting.
I’ll leave you with this if you’re interested… about where and how “game” arose.

http://www.mgtow.com/video/deconstructing-game/