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Anonymous42Ok. But do what, and do when ?
Unfortunately, our numbers are so small I doubt it has any societal impact.
Personally, I am not looking for a “societal” impact. I leave that to the world of the MRA.
I sure would like to see a big win for men
There are no “big wins” for men in this Matrix. I’m focused on disengaging from the Matrix at large, and not looking to “win” anything from it.
Oh, I don’t doubt for one second the serious nature of our war.
Again, I’m not into any type of “war”.
In my view, EACH Man “wins” his own Freedom/Life by walking away as much as he can from the Matrix on a daily basis.
EACH Man is INDEPENDENTLY finding his own path on his UNIQUE Journey.
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Brother, want to fight back ? Don’t pay taxes, or pay as little as you can to not get arrested.
They feed on your money, they parasite on you. Soon as you cut their resources, they will starve to death.This is not a war that you can win with guns, but be aware, don’t let them take your guns, because sooner or later an holocaust will happen, and this time the holocaust will be on males, specially while males.
Money, power, government and media control are they weapon, if you limit their power, you can do something, but now, as a simple member of society, you can’t. They feed on taxes and interest over debt, cut everything that feed them, this is the way of fighting back.
Give them money is give them power to control you, MGTOW is about self ownership, let nobody control you and nor interfere with you going your own way.
I am more given to taking the offense.
I wouldn’t recommend it. At least not here in Canada. In Canada, Feminazis are in full control of the government and the courts and we have a Feminist Mangina as our national leader. Add to this the Feminists have their own armed Gestapo at their beck and call (AKA the RCMP).
I’ll leave ‘taking the offensive’ to braver souls. I just want to survive unscathed (as much as possible) the wrath of Feminism…
Unfortunately, our numbers are so small I doubt it has any societal impact.
The most you can do is let others know about it. But it falls on deaf ears.
The state of our society being what it is, those who still haven’t as yet ‘clued-in’ to MGTOW I fear never will… 🙁
Last week I was downtown and looking for Bank of America. As 2 women walked by, I politely asked them where the bank was.
You really need to be more careful. Today that would be considered an attempted rape, (or at the very least ‘stalking’)…
Brother, want to fight back ? Don’t pay taxes, or pay as little as you can to not get arrested.
They feed on your money, they parasite on you. Soon as you cut their resources, they will starve to death.If you are speaking of legal ways not to pay the taxes then it means the less taxes you pay the less money you get. That’s the way to nowhere.
I tried. I’m a lawyer and have many connections with my University’s mates inlcuding the one in the Federal Tax Sercvice, who helps me, sort of lawfully, to reduce or even avoid taxation, and still I see it’s pointless. Benefits are insignificant. You will not ruin the system by not paying taxes, because you are few, but you will seriously complicate your life by loosing money you could earn.Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
Ramses 2 my friend, the great general Sun Tzu said: Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting. If the mind is willing, the flesh could go on and on without many things. Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
We are winning—1 in 2500 you say? every avalanche begins with a single snow flake. Patience brothers! We have already won the enemy just doesn’t know it yet.
Take the offense to win exactly what? An admission of wrongdoing? An apology? A house with a white picket fence and June Cleaver?
If you want to engage whimyn then they still mean something to you. If you engage the feminists, they will f~~~ing win, even if they lose. Never forget that we are living in the tyranny of the weak. You use logic and facts to win your case, you are an insensitive bully. You lose, you are reinforcing their position about men.
If you give them nothing, they are only left with an echo chamber of their shrieks. If you do not participate, they are powerless and they know it. That is why they use shaming tactics so heavily. Men have pride and self-respect and so we respond to shame. If you walk away, they are disarmed and alone.
If you really want to make societal change, I would suggest you choose your methodology carefully. Withdrawal from the battlefield is the only logical choice when you KNOW the tribunals will find you guilty of war crimes just for being a man. If you insist on joining the foray, you may be better served on a MRA forum.
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
Don’t necessarily view MGTOW as offense or defense although I can understand that point. It is not for everyone it’s just another way of life. Some men no matter what will get married, for them that’s their desired life style. Even if there was no risk of divorce many mgtow simply find having a woman around as an annoyance, that’s at least how felt when I had a one around.
"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."
Women have almost all the power. A comparatively few have managed to get laws passed and convinced certain politicians to pass theses laws. Most, if not all, of us have run across the laws that destroys mens lives. Women have proven, at least to me, they need a man in their lives. Women can and will destroy a man for the flimsiest of excuses. Most of the time no evidence is needed.
What, in my opinion, is needed is for more men to walk away and not interact with women if at all possible. Why put your freedom and health in danger for some bitch who can make that ONE call? If most of the men, if not all, were to walk away we would be giving women what they say they want. We MGTOW know better. We know that women are weak physically, emotionally, and mentally (a high percentage of women are on some kind of anti-depressant). If most men were to walk away women will see just how much they are equal to us. The system relies on men not changing, just doing what we have done for 10s of thousands years. We do our duty to society by working ourselves to death and being disposable for Society’s needs. Well, gentlemen, it is past time for us to act just the way we here at MGTOW.com are acting. Staying away from women and making ourselves happy.
When more and more women realize what is going on they will begin to understand.
They will despair, become lonely, and become frantic. Eventually, they will figure out they will need to change things back to more true equality under the law. Divorce laws will be changed along with many others. Women are the only ones that can get this done. Men are so ridiculed and put down that we are basically powerless. Until the ratio is 1250:2500 nothing will change. The women will have to scream and cry and demand that things change. We, my fellow MGTOW, are already doing all we can. We have no other recourse. Good day.Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.
They will eat their own. So called conservative (tradcon) women, trannys, dykes and racist f~~~s will destroy themselves over feminism. They will leap over each other trying to be at the top of the victim pyramid …
This is already happening.
Feminists are now discovering that they rate lower than transsexuals.
Ramses,
your premise is that 1 in 2500 men is mgtow. But I don’t think I agree with that assessment. If you take the numbers of men with a declared presence on MGTOW.COM as a fraction of the total population of men in the US, you might get something like 1 in 2500. But mgtow men do not need to have a presences on mgtow.com in order to make the same decisions we here have made, and have the same effect.Right now, as I write this, the number of single adults in the US is greater than the number of married adults in the US. The current rate of marriage per capita is lower than it has ever been since 1895, which is as long as that statistic has been recorded. Last year, a national wedding dress retailer went into bankruptcy – locking doors and closing stores abruptly and leaving an awful lot of soon-to-be brides hysterical over the loss of their dresses within a time frame too short to replace them before their planned wedding dates. Someone here posted a video of the news story on it. There was a clip of a bride-to-be wailing and banging on the door of a closed store where her gown was locked up. I personally found it HILARIOUS.
Recently, someone posted another story about the gargantuan amounts of student debt owned by women, many of whom have degrees that will NEVER allow then to get jobs that will make them able to repay it. There are nowhere near enough Captain Save-a-ho’s out there to pay off that mountain of debt. Every week, you can find another article written by a woman wailing about ‘where have all the good men gone?’.
None of this is the result of offense. Very little of it is the result of us few here at MGTOW.com. It’s just a result of the IDEA. It’s the IDEA, shared by an huge fraction of men (apparently a little over HALF of eligible men out there) that accepting that crap deal is not in their best interest, and then silently choosing to silently walk away from it. Those men aren’t throwing fits, lobbying government, or signing up for memberships here. They aren’t demanding change or going on the offensive anywhere. They aren’t even speaking about it. They don’t need to.
There is no need to go on the offense against an adversary who cannot survive without your donations of time, effort, money, talent and abilities.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Anonymous42Ramses,
your premise is that 1 in 2500 men is mgtow. But I don’t think I agree with that assessment. If you take the numbers of men with a declared presence on MGTOW.COM as a fraction of the total population of men in the US, you might get something like 1 in 2500. But mgtow men do not need to have a presences on mgtow.com in order to make the same decisions we here have made, and have the same effect.Right now, as I write this, the number of single adults in the US is greater than the number of married adults in the US. The current rate of marriage per capita is lower than it has ever been since 1895, which is as long as that statistic has been recorded. Last year, a national wedding dress retailer went into bankruptcy – locking doors and closing stores abruptly and leaving an awful lot of soon-to-be brides hysterical over the loss of their dresses within a time frame too short to replace them before their planned wedding dates. Someone here posted a video of the news story on it. There was a clip of a bride-to-be wailing and banging on the door of a closed store where her gown was locked up. I personally found it HILARIOUS.
Recently, someone posted another story about the gargantuan amounts of student debt owned by women, many of whom have degrees that will NEVER allow then to get jobs that will make them able to repay it. There are nowhere near enough Captain Save-a-ho’s out there to pay off that mountain of debt. Every week, you can find another article written by a woman wailing about ‘where have all the good men gone?’.
None of this is the result of offense. Very little of it is the result of us few here at MGTOW.com. It’s just a result of the IDEA. It’s the IDEA, shared by an huge fraction of men (a little over HALF of eligible men out there) that accepting that crap deal is not in their best interest, and then silently choosing to silently walk away from it. They aren’t throwing fits, lobbying government, or signing up for memberships here. They aren’t demanding change or going on the offensive anywhere. They don’t need to.
There is no need to go on the offense against an adversary who cannot survive without your donations of time, effort, money, talent and abilities.
BP hits the nail on the head using a Winchester while in full gallop on his horse!
Great post, BP! Your posts are like a window over everything!
Anonymous2MGTOW’s strength lies not in its ability to engage, but in its ability to disengage. MGTOW is so hard to attack because it is shapeless. The only rule is: Don’t take part in the system by marrying/cohabitating with women and don’t play the role of the disposable male.
Men can live the MGTOW lifestyle without anybody ever really knowing. The ability to ghost is one of MGTOW’s biggest strengths.
Once we start taking an offensive approach, we start proving the “you’re just the same as the feminists” critics right. See, unlike feminists, I’m not demanding anything from society or the government. I’m completely indifferent to both. I don’t want laws to be made that force women to live a certain way or take away their rights. My philosophy is: Every person has the right to live their life however they please, so long as they are not causing harm to others. In return, I expect to be left the f~~~ alone to live my life as I please.
If society collapses because I, and other men, will no longer support a system that threw us under the bus 50 years ago and still relies on us to play the role of the disposable male in order for it to survive, then so be it. Let it all burn to the ground. My government, and western society in general, have shown that they couldn’t care less about me, or any other man for that matter. Hence, I now only live for myself. If my country gets taken over because my government s~~~ on the very people they rely on to protect them, then let it be a lesson to other countries around the world as to what happens when you treat the men of your society like s~~~ and tell them you don’t need them. Let the women take up arms and defend their government. They’re the ones reaping all the benefits, after all. Just leave me out of it. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
As Puffin Stuff said ‘Don’t fight, go ghost but if your cornered hit and hit to kill with the first shot.’
Sun Tzu said: Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
If you give them nothing, they are only left with an echo chamber of their shrieks. If you do not participate, they are powerless and they know it.
There is no need to go on the offense against an adversary who cannot survive without your donations of time, effort, money, talent and abilities.
MGTOW’s strength lies not in its ability to engage, but in its ability to disengage.
Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready
Oh, I don’t doubt for one second the serious nature of our war. Perhaps I’m dense, but I don’t see how it is possible to win, simply by withdrawing from the fight.
In the history of man, has a battle ever been won by doing nothing ?Think about the numbers. For every one of us who refuse to play the game, there are 2,499 other men who will, kneel, kowtow, beg, plead, and pay any price to obtain her affections.
It seems to me that offence, not defense, wins the war.
Ghandi, pasive resistance.
Chinese generals strategy “empty fort” was used many times to make enemy retreat even when they have upper hand.
But I think both strategies are BORING.
Im doing nothing becouse I wanna enjoy the s~~~ show.
You should go MRA, you can do it, give them hell soldier.
Popcorn ready.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Anonymous1I am more given to taking the offense.
I wouldn’t recommend it. At least not here in Canada. In Canada, Feminazis are in full control of the government and the courts and we have a Feminist Mangina as our national leader. Add to this the Feminists have their own armed Gestapo at their beck and call (AKA the RCMP).
I’ll leave ‘taking the offensive’ to braver souls. I just want to survive unscathed (as much as possible) the wrath of Feminism…
Whoa, I never said anything about guns. Never implied anything about guns. When I said take the offensive, I meant a political , media offensive, by writing books articles. making movies about MGTOW. etc
Go into any large bookstore in America or Canada and you will find a huge section on “Women’s Studies”. Is there any comparable section for men? In fact will you find even a single book that outlines the MGTOW perspective ? Or any book remotely like MGTOW ? If guys do not know we exist, how can they learn ?
Teaching other men about the MGTOW perspective is, in my opinion, taking the offensive.
Another point: Look at it this way, if a woman has a line of men waiting to date her, marry her, and buy stuff for her, why should she give a damn if I am not in that line ? But, if there is no line, then, and only then, will she give a damn.
Anonymous1Oh, I don’t doubt for one second the serious nature of our war. Perhaps I’m dense, but I don’t see how it is possible to win, simply by withdrawing from the fight.
In the history of man, has a battle ever been won by doing nothing ?Think about the numbers. For every one of us who refuse to play the game, there are 2,499 other men who will, kneel, kowtow, beg, plead, and pay any price to obtain her affections.
It seems to me that offence, not defense, wins the war.
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Ghandi, pasive resistance.Chinese generals strategy “empty fort” was used many times to make enemy retreat even when they have upper hand.
But I think both strategies are BORING.
Im doing nothing becouse I wanna enjoy the s~~~ show.
You should go MRA, you can do it, give them hell soldier.
Popcorn ready.
Gandhi never advocated passive anything. He was involved. He stirred the pot. He got the people involved with resistance by not helping the British. If Gandhi had merely gone off to his ashram and did nothing, nobody would have ever heard of him. Gandhi took the offensive by protesting on a massive scale.
Whoa, I never said anything about guns. Never implied anything about guns.
What I’m saying is that Canadian Feminists have their own armed and dedicated nation police force that will automatically do their bidding. The RCMP are the muscle for a corrupt and dysfunctional Feminist controlled anti-male biased government.
That just ain’t something that you’re gonna wanna f~~~ with…
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