Taking Back Western Civilization

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  • #565808
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    Puffin Stuff
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    Humans have been around in their modern incarnation for about 160K years ago I read. It’s unlikely that anything of any true significance will occur. A few million humans may be killed in a collapse but that won’t affect the human population.

    In 10,000 bc they figured there were between 1 million and 10 million humans on the planet. we are 2500 percent higher than that. Us humans can use some weeding.

    We are growing but have no interest in the future except as it affects us personally.

    I used to be really into fathers rights when my son was young, what a moron.

    It changed nothing. Despite 14 years of 60/40 custody in my favor meant nothing. His mom bought a house in Hawaii and that was it, he moved to his moms immediately.

    There is no “fixing” this problem and the only way to survive a crash would be making a profit off it.

    b

    #icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

    #565838
    Epiphany52
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    Was redirected here by the OP so will repeat myself somewhat.

    Im a young man completely new to MGTOW and have been observing the threads for about a week. This is my first post and I gives me some comfort to know that others can clearly see the rapid decline of the West. Most people I speak to face to face seem largely oblivious or plain uninterested, concerned only with micro, trival individual issues as opposed to macro collective problems facing western culture and society.
    I agree with those in the thread who have suggested that we should just allow society to burn. For me the point of no return has been passed. It takes extremes for people to care so let them stand in the ash and wonder what happened.
    For anyone further interested in this I suggest watching peter hitchens – the better hitchens in my opinion – who has plently to say on this issue.

    There is either something or there is nothing and in the face of a paradox, nothing makes more sense than something.

    #565864
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    Eric Lauder
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    Question: what, precisely, would you like to “save”/”restore”?

    I bet that you cannot answer to such question.

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    #565894
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    Epiphany52
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    Well if you bet that I cannot you have already made clear your position – you feel nothing needs to be changed.

    Im wasting my breath with you enjoy your ash, but others might find what I have to say useful.

    I would like a restoration of British culture which has been decimated by immigration. Nip your rascism allegations in the bud, im talking about culture not race. The UK has imported cultural issues which did not exsist before the 1960’s. Don’t agree walk around london its no cultural melting pot it’s a fractured city. Golders Green for the Jews, Islington for the muslims, the west of the city for the russians, Lewisham for the waring Nigerian clans. The rest of England is being literally raped aswell Look at Rotherham, Bradford and most recently Newcastle. We now have regular Islamic suicide bombings most recently targeting children at a pop concert.

    Throw into that a leftist political femenist agenda which has undermined marriage making it a complete farce for men to engage with and you are left with a society flirting with collapse. – Once again I say go listen to peter hitchens he says it better than I do.

    There is either something or there is nothing and in the face of a paradox, nothing makes more sense than something.

    #565910
    Calypso
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    This is Part III of the post, so it’s easier to find in the future (if anyone cares).

    Wow. I really didn’t think that this would cause any level of controversy – I haven’t even started with the details…

    For those interested in doing something other than watching it all burn (and if all you care about is watching it all burn, this isn’t a thread for you…), here’s a high level overview of how I think we take it back.

    First and foremost, the part that everyone’s going to complain about: what can be done today to possibly stop it and fix it before collapse. I’ll again state that I don’t believe it’s likely it can be stopped or fixed before a collapse, so there’s no need to weigh in with that over and over like a broken record. My point is that a) it’s worth a shot, even a long shot and b) it set the stage for a successful recovery after collapse.

    This is a complex scenario also, so I’m going to skip a lot of details as to *how* to implement it and focus on *what* and *why* because I’m already seeing how quickly everyone is likely to push back. What needs to occur is infiltration. At the core of most of the present problem is the insanity of a cult institutionalizing generations of people via media and political control. The essence of marketing (or propaganda) is telling people over and over again what you want them to believe until they believe it. The solution to this problem is being in a position to neutralize people that are tactically sending out the messages.

    For example, if we had infiltration of a large number of local political offices, organizations, and policy makers that enforce policy on schools, local media, etc then we’re in a position to disrupt the flow. This is generally going to be accomplished through the right people getting in the door, and through a private, secure, decentralized communication mechanism that allows those that have infiltrated to create opportunities for other like minded people.

    Note that this is exactly how we’ve ended up in this mess in the first place. Insane leftists infiltrate, organize, and create opportunities for other insane leftists. The operate as a hive-mind, changing policy, reeducating your children with your own money, increasing your taxes, putting you in a position of having to carry the load whether or not you have any responsibility in a situation. The CIA does this to launch coups in foreign governments. There is a practical path with a solid track record of success that can help move this. We can see that in the US, with the movement in politics, that the stage is ripe for this opportunity. It’s not a window with a long time horizon, but there is a window. It requires a level of organization that comes natural to the matriarchal left. Most men are generally independent if not oriented this way, so it’s harder to organize things. Over time, that leads to where we are now.

    There are some higher level political moves that are valuable, if you’re interested. Whether it’s groups like Oathkeepers, or AmericaAgain.net, or many others – there are groups that are similar thinkers, if not purely MGTOW. It’s all related. Again, core to my argument is that the fast rise in MGTOW is a symptom of a larger issue. Infiltration, in particular, of LEO and military groups is critical. If enforcement is generally on the same page, everything else is cake.

    Finally, it’s time to establish a separate economy. As much as possible, stop donating money (and by proxy, your labor) to the groups that undermine you. For example, if one man says ‘no’ to the IRS, he’s doomed. If a million say ‘no,’ the IRS is over. Hence the reason to have some form of organization. I’m going to touch on this a lot more in the next post because I think it’s critical to self-sustainment of a decentralized movement. There’s no reason to buy s~~~ for Starbucks when we can produce and sell coffee to one another (and others outside, but they don’t have to understand the organizational inclination). Again, the other side does this. Why do we have MGTOW-oriented investors, for example, that put their money into Google, or Amazon, or Starbucks, or Microsoft when we could be funding alternative startups. I assure you there’s no shortage of talent, and these organizations are already alienating customers. There are more people sick of this s~~~ out there that would be willing to try alternatives. I’m betting there’s 60+% of the US that would move away if a sufficient alternative existed. No one likes supporting their demise.

    Again, more on this a bit later. It has to start small, but it can become the core of something larger – starving the left of at least half its revenue would have a massive impact. Keeping most of our own wealth would help tremendously. The key to it all is recognizing decentralization – the core part of this entire strategy. Power corrupts, so we must do everything possible to strip power away from the present structure. This idea is central to MGTOW alone, is it not? Strip power away from institutions and keep it for yourself. I’m arguing that if it’s done on a more organized scale, while still preserving anonymity, then it can be orders of magnitude more powerful. Technology can solve that problem.

    Infiltration, communication, decentralized structure and time – and we don’t have much time, so this is likely to fail. But any level of success sets up the possibility of having the right people in the right places with the right control levers to help turn around a catastrophic crash into something resembling a rebuilding strategy. If we’re all just doing our own thing, then those more organized have the upper hand.

    I know this is not super detailed – it’s not supposed to be. I’m trying to illustrate a first phase concept that’s been done – only not by us. And there aren’t enough pure MGTOW out there that get it all yet, but people are waking up. Even if they’re not full converts, there are many that are sympathetic.

    For now, I’ve got some of my own work to do a bit. I’m going to touch on the second prong when I get back – that’s all about pure individual prep. And by this I’m not talking about loading up on guns and waiting it out. That may be a part of it, but it fails to capture the bigger picture. Everyone with a prep mentality is probably familiar with the American Redoubt movement in the Idaho/E Washington/Montana area. Here’s the problem with them building a community: they’re a target in a worst case collapse where enforcement is not on their side. There are other cells that exist throughout the country, and indeed, the world. These groups should be working together to a larger degree than they are. They should be building business amongst themselves, fueling a black market if needed. Alternative economies, communications, businesses, travel abilities…that’s not well established right now. It can and should be. It should be decentralized and pervasive. Technology exists for it all (whether gold/silver, bitcoin, bitmessage, Tor, i2p, Freenet, CJDNS, OpenBazaar, P2P infrastructure, LoRAN and other long range mesh network technology…) Using technology and having decentralized viewpoint of the world is a core component of individual preparation.

    #565913
    Calypso
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    I’m not familiar with “Mouse Utopia,” but I’ll look into it. I do see this as a global problem. But as humans, don’t we also have an ability to learn? Though we rarely do, we can rebuild. Better us than rampant Islamism or Feminism taking over the West for a few centuries. I can’t help but believe it’s worth a shot.

    Feminism or Islam won’t get s~~~ done as they aren’t the “engines of creation”, in other words, the innovators, the geniuses that can fix a problem. Islam was built on the backs of dying (conquered) civilizations, they built little by themselves, and mostly by slave-labor.

    Feminism is a joke. There won’t be a feminist in the lifeboat.

    No, what we’re seeing is unparalleled, it’s a global cascade-failure of civilization. The West (and the Far East) are the motor of the global economy, the thinkers, the engineers and the innovators. Once the West really starts to slide, the rest will follow as they’re dependent on the West. Think of the West as the biggest lode at the end of a chain, once that starts in freefall, the rest of the chain follows.

    It’s not just about “When will we get electricity?”, but rather; “What is electricity?” as I can’t see how far humanity will fall. Maybe to the very bottom. Reading and writing will be like the one-eyed being the King among the blind.

    As for me, it’s mostly morbid curiosity that keeps me living, to see my (private) theories come to life. As has been said, this is a cycle, but the question most do not ask; which type of cycle? My theory is that it’s one of the bigger ones, not like a small stockmarket-crash like in 1928, or a small famine after a war like WW2. Keep in mind that we’re running out of cheap oil (peak oil). Oil will be drilled and pumped, but for an ever increasing price, and it is the fuel that has driven Western civilization from the first automobile started. Everything after was a result of this.

    The “restart” won’t be easy, cheap, and it’ll take a long time.

    Again, I think we’re on the same page and I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying. What I hope to do is get ready to make the restart cheaper and faster, but it is impossible to be painless.

    #565917
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    Calypso
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    Pointing to egalitarianism as the real problem is seminal thinking.
    If everything is equal then everything has to be given equal time & space. In other words there’s nothing good there’s nothing bad & we’re equal & therefore we all have entitlement to everything. That kind of pap touted by the left so-called intelectuals is what has destroyed education & what’s left is really not worth saving. When I think of this s~~~ it pushes every button I have.
    Just as an aside: In Denmark, every citizen is guaranteed a monthly income & have you heard anything good come out of Denmark recently
    If I may: ” There’s something rotten in Denmark. Great thread. Great posts. Thank you all. Tip of the hat to Skeptics & Good night

    My favorite way of looking at this is through the “free money” ideas of the left. When everyone has $1M, then who cleans toilets? Equality is a myth. It’s not possible. No one would work. The counter idea is that robots will run everything. Well, the controllers of the robots are the new oligarchs. Everyone else is a peon. That future, though, is only one possibility.

    #565919
    Calypso
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    My 50 cents.

    1) there is no MGTOW movement, im not part of any movement, i just hang here couse I learn, and I don’t mind giving my point of view to a bro in need (although I’m not helpful at all, most of the time)

    2) I don’t care about the civilization, the Native American where a civilization, the Muslims are civilization. I’m CELIBATE BECOUSE I DONT GIVE A F~~~.

    3) im kind of insane and want to watch the world in flames, NFG.

    To each his own. I don’t think I can do that, but I don’t fault your viewpoint – I can totally see it.

    #565923
    Calypso
    calypso
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    Everything in nature goes in cycles. There has never been a great civilization that has not declined into chaos and self-destruction. The Romans also knew this full well. The Ages of Man. We are now in the “Iron Age.” There is no use struggling against the tide.

    Ages Of Man

    Some say we’re in the <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>Kali Yuga, or more bluntly, pre-apocalypse, or pre-collapse at least.

    History is cycical, hell, even natural history is cyclical, for most of the history of the earth where I’m typing this from was under hundreds of feet of ice. The so called ‘Ice Age’ is actually the normal climactical condition for the planet. The warmer inter-glacial interludes, like the one we are in now, are much shorter periods of time.

    Human life is going to follow that pattern too, perhaps ‘civilization’ is the short periods between the dark ages. I know one thing, this current civilization has done more damage to the whole ecosystem than any ‘Dark Age’. I’m a religious man, the more debauched and degraded humanity becomes the more He becomes wrathful. We could be in for an extinction level (for humans only) event, so arrogant and far from God we have become. We think we are the masters of our home, the Earth, we’re lodgers only.

    90% of every species that ever walked the earth is now extinct, and we are special why? Because we have plumbing and can insult each other in seconds across the globe on the internet?

    No, we are in for a rude awakening, or a slow decline, but that’s how it goes, its part of the plan of something or someone we can’t even begin to understand.

    The only thing that bothers me about post-Armageddon is where to find a good dentist.

    I like the last line quite a bit 🙂 I don’t think that we’re in for slow decline, though. If so, we have a better chance of turning the ship. I figure it will look slow until the point of catastrophic failure. We’ll see, I suppose.

    #565926
    Calypso
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    That problem, in a nutshell, is the decline of Western Civilization, partially due to the above factors.

    Naw.

    The real problem is that Western Civilization has made itself unworthy of saving.

    Because it’s not really civilization any more. It’s just a high technological base with the mere trappings of civilization. Trying to save it is polishing a turd.

    Let it burn. Bring marshmallows.

    Sorry, my aim is to reduce my problems, not taking more unrealistic problems from other people.

    I don’t see taking back Western Civilization as feasible nor will it reduce my problems.

    If collaborating together in taking back civilization can reduce our problems then sure, however any effort spent will just create more parasite sucking our energy. So the most feasible solution is to let it fall.

    One of the problematic hallmarks of our modern world is the rise of post modernism, notably nihilism. Sure, everything may be pointless, but if so, why bother even living?

    #565929
    Calypso
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    In essence, my argument is that *most* of the MGTOW movement (in the modern sense of institutionalized feminism and the conversion of Western Civilization to a matriarchal institution) is a symptom of a larger problem that must be solved. That problem, in a nutshell, is the decline of Western Civilization,

    MRA´s try to fix the world.
    Leftists try to fix the world.
    Conservatives try to block this and remain in power, using the same strategies from the past that cannot work because resources are not unlimited and progress/change is unstoppable.

    The only failure is doing nothing while watching our heritage burn. I won’t sit idly by.

    while i agree (takes only a good man to do nothing for evil to prevail)
    this is along the same lines.
    You try to save the western world.

    The truth that lurks in the background is stronger than a single man´s Idea.

    Everything in nature goes in cycles. There has never been a great civilization that has not declined into chaos and self-destruction. The Romans also knew this full well. The Ages of Man. We are now in the “Iron Age.” There is no use struggling against the tide.

    So, as we all inherently know, it’s a unnatural state. And, as we all also know, it’s unsustainable. All unsustainable things fail, by definition. Here’s the problem… the resultant train wreck is more disastrous than many people want to believe.

    The last time something of this magnitude occurred was when Rome fell. That led to 500 years of Dark Ages. The Dark Ages ended only because the Black Plague killed enough people such that the feudalist structure couldn’t be sustained due to a lack of manpower.

    The system has to collapse, it cannot be saved.

    There you have it.
    Winter is coming.
    Our Bloodlines are weak.
    We won´t survive.

    and even if we will…
    when the nuclear reactors fail because civilization does not care for them, when the nuclear waste spills out into the world…
    We´re f~~~ed.

    500 years? are you joking?
    More like 20k…
    20k of lack of food, contaminated water, mutation, weak humans and disappearing animals.
    Humans are in the process of turning this planet into a rotting apple.

    And it is not one civilization that will fall and the others will prevail…
    Humans will fail. All of them.

    And we deserve what we get from nature´s Point of View.
    Stop trying to save it.
    Stop breeding.
    Make sure you have cyanide capsulas or a gun with two bullets… one for your dog, one for yourself.

    Single ideas have changed the world before.

    #565941
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    Calypso
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    Question: what, precisely, would you like to “save”/”restore”?

    I bet that you cannot answer to such question.

    I think I can. Here’s where I run a risk of creating a religion argument, but I’m not trying to…

    I believe foremost in individual freedom. In fact, from a theoretical point of view, I’m an anarcho-capitalist. I detest the notion of central control because it implies eventual corruption through monopoly on force. But it also appears impractical because a lack of govt creates a power vacuum that someone will fill. It’s human nature.

    What does work is a decentralized system where the people that live within have a common set of ethics. Govts aren’t too bad when everyone basically has the same ideas of right and wrong – at least for a while. In fact, if the whole world had a common set of ethics, there would be little need for govt at all anywhere. But that’s not going to happen.

    I would define Western Civilization as the period beginning with the Renaissance having a key set of ideas: scientific method, increasing individual liberty, common ethics (in this case, Christianity, but I’m not arguing for theology as much as sustainable common beliefs). It’s not perfect, but it created the modern world. People had common sense views of things: gender roles, right/wrong, justice… When we have common ethics, we self-police and don’t need govt as much.

    While I’m not claiming utopia with Western Culture, I do believe that, generally speaking, it was critical to our modern progress. I’ll also argue that multiculturalism and the decline in similar religious beliefs are the core of what’s destroyed it. If common ethics doesn’t allow for self-policing, then whomever controls the enforcement arm will police whatever policies are forced on the masses. This is where we are.

    That’s a simplification, but I’m running out of juice on typing…

    #565983
    Epiphany52
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    Well Eric went quite! 😅

    There is either something or there is nothing and in the face of a paradox, nothing makes more sense than something.

    #566101
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    Anonymous
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    No. Eric is reading and looking for a reason to post.
    When he is done with his hobby, AND thinks this thread is worth his time, he will be back, Jesus.

    Jesus as in “savior”.

    As for Single ideas, None of them has ever worked on a Planet devoid of humans.

    #566146
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    Sidecar
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    Sure, everything may be pointless, but if so, why bother even living?

    Don’t conflate “saving western civilization” (which doesn’t deserve to be saved) with “everything”.

    #566148
    Epiphany52
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    70

    Look im not looking to fall out with people but he started with the stupid comments it was worth his time then. If he has to go away and read about this topic then he shouldn’t have entered the debate – that is what this is so if you or eric don’t have points to build upon or counter what has been said then you are only here for drama… and you know what that makes you.

    There is either something or there is nothing and in the face of a paradox, nothing makes more sense than something.

    #566172

    Anonymous
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    At the moment the Left still have control of the wheel but they are in their dying days. You can sense that because they have become very radical and are trying to force their ideas through. Much like the remains of an army digging in their heels for one last do or die stand. I have read similar things about groups like ISIS and how they are worried that they will lose their culture and religion. Therefore the hardcore and drastic response.

    For a start I think all these migrants the Left let are going to work against them. I can’t see Mustafa and Sanjeep embracing the LGBTIQ community or being ok about their prospective wives not taking their names etc Not to mention that many women still want to live a traditional life and won’t like the idea of their husbands or potential husbands not having work.

    Lastly, the Lefts ideas fail. They are meant to fail of course that is the whole idea. But people are dying from it now as we have seen with all the terror attacks among other Left wing related crimes and atrocities. In Australia we have the “Safe Schools” project which is about making boys feel like s~~~ and also making kids question their sexuality. Parents aren’t happy and kids as young as 4 are now presenting with sexual behaviour and telling doctors they feel like they are transexual.

    People don’t want any of this. It is turning back slowly but we will take it all back.

    I agree. What I haven’t touched on is my belief in something called Cycle Theory. Basically, history repeats (or rhymes). It’s predictable within certain bounds of probability.

    I think we’re very near the peak of the idea of socialism. But much like yin-yang or anything cyclical idea, the peak is time of maximum activity, just before it wanes. It’s like the idea of “it’s always darkest before the dawn.” At the darkest point of the night, it can’t get darker. The famous yin-yang Chinese symbol depicts the same idea. At the end of black is white, and vice versa.

    Here’s the problem. We’re also at the end of a cycle that speaks to peak civilization, ala Rome. Could peak socialism throw society into the next Dark Age? That’s what I wonder. I don’t think we will reverse easily here. Hence the reason I’m arguing for a plan to try and disrupt the cycle. A plan to take it back. FWIW, the cycle peaks around 2020…

    I agree with the cycle theory. I think as humans we like to be hopeful of things. Socialism seemed like a good idea at one point. But of course as humans we are flawed and take things to the extreme, usually because of power and money. Two things that contradict with actual Socialism.

    So instead of balancing Socialism with Democracy and Capitalism people drove it to the extreme and broke it.

    I have thought about a new Dark Age as well. I don’t think it will get quite that bad although I do think that as the Socialists lose power they will become more aggressive. Likewise the Conservatives will gain power and deal with that aggression in a like minded way.

    Hence one of the reasons why the Left have been trying to White Ant the Armed forces of Western countries with women and homosexuals. They want to try and ensure in the event of revolution that they will have the power of the gun.

    To interrupt the cycle we need brave people entering politics, this is already happening. We also need smart and brave people voting for them. This is taking a little longer!

    #566183
    Calypso
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    Sure, everything may be pointless, but if so, why bother even living?

    Don’t conflate “saving western civilization” (which doesn’t deserve to be saved) with “everything”.

    I’m not here to split hairs. Hopefully I’m getting my point across. One of the problems we all face today is using a single language and everyone interpreting things differently. It’s a challenge, especially in writing.

    A quick edit to drive home my original point. I think I didn’t get it across well. I interpreted your comment as being nihilistic. Perhaps I was wrong.

    #566189
    Calypso
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    At the moment the Left still have control of the wheel but they are in their dying days. You can sense that because they have become very radical and are trying to force their ideas through. Much like the remains of an army digging in their heels for one last do or die stand. I have read similar things about groups like ISIS and how they are worried that they will lose their culture and religion. Therefore the hardcore and drastic response.

    For a start I think all these migrants the Left let are going to work against them. I can’t see Mustafa and Sanjeep embracing the LGBTIQ community or being ok about their prospective wives not taking their names etc Not to mention that many women still want to live a traditional life and won’t like the idea of their husbands or potential husbands not having work.

    Lastly, the Lefts ideas fail. They are meant to fail of course that is the whole idea. But people are dying from it now as we have seen with all the terror attacks among other Left wing related crimes and atrocities. In Australia we have the “Safe Schools” project which is about making boys feel like s~~~ and also making kids question their sexuality. Parents aren’t happy and kids as young as 4 are now presenting with sexual behaviour and telling doctors they feel like they are transexual.

    People don’t want any of this. It is turning back slowly but we will take it all back.

    I agree. What I haven’t touched on is my belief in something called Cycle Theory. Basically, history repeats (or rhymes). It’s predictable within certain bounds of probability.

    I think we’re very near the peak of the idea of socialism. But much like yin-yang or anything cyclical idea, the peak is time of maximum activity, just before it wanes. It’s like the idea of “it’s always darkest before the dawn.” At the darkest point of the night, it can’t get darker. The famous yin-yang Chinese symbol depicts the same idea. At the end of black is white, and vice versa.

    Here’s the problem. We’re also at the end of a cycle that speaks to peak civilization, ala Rome. Could peak socialism throw society into the next Dark Age? That’s what I wonder. I don’t think we will reverse easily here. Hence the reason I’m arguing for a plan to try and disrupt the cycle. A plan to take it back. FWIW, the cycle peaks around 2020…

    I agree with the cycle theory. I think as humans we like to be hopeful of things. Socialism seemed like a good idea at one point. But of course as humans we are flawed and take things to the extreme, usually because of power and money. Two things that contradict with actual Socialism.

    So instead of balancing Socialism with Democracy and Capitalism people drove it to the extreme and broke it.

    I have thought about a new Dark Age as well. I don’t think it will get quite that bad although I do think that as the Socialists lose power they will become more aggressive. Likewise the Conservatives will gain power and deal with that aggression in a like minded way.

    Hence one of the reasons why the Left have been trying to White Ant the Armed forces of Western countries with women and homosexuals. They want to try and ensure in the event of revolution that they will have the power of the gun.

    To interrupt the cycle we need brave people entering politics, this is already happening. We also need smart and brave people voting for them. This is taking a little longer!

    I think there’s only one reasonable answer to this: decentralization. I’m going to outline that in the next post, but essentially, we need to take back localized power and adopt a common ethic in time for it to be sustainable. You’re dead on that people are starting to get involved – that’s the reason I opted to try and outline my thoughts here, even though it’s clearly not going to be possible to do it perfectly. Now is the time. The desire to push back is here. Political motivation is here. We’re probably in economic twilight, so we should make hay while the sun shines, or so the old timers would say. Now is when we need to move and stop expecting top-down solutions that imply consolidation of power to achieve their objectives. Power corrupts. We must take the power back. It must be organized to be effective.

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    No. Eric is reading and looking for a reason to post.
    When he is done with his hobby, AND thinks this thread is worth his time, he will be back, Jesus.

    Jesus as in “savior”.

    As for Single ideas, None of them has ever worked on a Planet devoid of humans.

    Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking

    At some point a man must think on his own.

    Bitcoin was the culmination of decades of work, but one man released it. It is changing the world. We’re not devoid of humans – not yet at least.

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