Story of a former Muslim and blue piller

[SigmaParticipant 15]

Hi guys, I got a message that I’d been made a forum participant so I thought I’d share my story with you.

Origins

I was raised in a very conservative, fundamentalist and religious way. Religion was the primary thing in life for all of us in our family.
Couple that with the fact that my parents were migrants and you get a childhood environment that was intellectually barren and socially isolated.
I went through a long process of research and internal struggle, affecting my study and work and of course leaving no time or energy for any relationships.
I finally emerged as an atheist, almost three years ago by now (I’m 26).

Back then I was thoroughly blue-pilled and saw a relationship as the next step. I had overcome this big hurdle and now it was time for the next.
I used to read this and that online about dating and very slowly and gradually, I think mainly via ‘Where are the good men’ type of articles, I came across red pill, MGTOW and related topics.

MGTOW

I started understanding that the sexual market has gotten 1) deregulated due to the removal of taboos and cultural constraints and 2) globalized thanks to internet, online dating and social media.
A crappy female profile receives a thousand thirsty messages. Why should she choose you with such a reserve army, especially now that she can go and do anything she likes?
Even if she does it’ll be with a feeling of settling for an inferior candidate, as the amount of potentially greener grass is much higher and within reach now than ever before.

It’s a straightforward argument. Men want sex more than women. This means that, in a setting of free association and ‘anything goes’, women have the upper hand.
This means that they can be picky and only go for the men at the top. This means that the rest is left out, at least during her best years.
Then, once she is done and ready, you can be her provider.

The simplicity and logic of it struck me more and more, like some mathematical proof or law of nature.
It’s a harsh mechanism of sexual dynamics with a thick layer of cultural coverup on top.
You’ll eventually find her, looks aren’t important, personality counts, they really are attracted to the nicer guys, try harder, don’t try so hard, etc..
Some basement dwelling and manning up too.

I do believe that, really, NAWALT, but I also believe that AWALT is the better principle to operate by in practice.
The expected return on investment is very low – invest all that time, money, attention, mental energy and for what?
Wade through scores of rejections first, then the mismatches, it’s not you it’s me’s…
Maybe she’s a #wastehistime-er, maybe there is a violent ex-boyfriend, or a troublesome family, or mental problems, or a history of drug abuse.
It’s inviting a potential source of large and varied trouble into your life.
Why should I, especially considering the sum total of loyalty and long-term commitment in today’s dating and marriage scene? I’ve got stuff of my own to worry about.

Future

I’m graduating soon with a computer science degree and moving out soon afterwards.
I’ve applied and got accepted for a job – one that fits my study and interests, has good advancement prospects, pay and conditions.

I’m into atmospheric black metal, stoner rock/metal type of music.
I enjoy reading very much too, about a variety of topics – philosophy, history, politics, popular science …

Interesting thing is that I noticed that I started reading much more after my conversion.
Looking back I now realize that, back then, I had an involuntary reluctance to reading this kind of material.
Subconsciously I knew that I’d encounter much that would conflict with my religious beliefs, causing some painful cognitive dissonance. Of course this only became clear to me afterwards.

My main hobby is chess: I play it competitively, playing in the national league and participating in regional tournaments.
I look forward to traveling abroad and playing in tournaments there, and my goal is to become a titled player eventually.
From talking to fellow players at tournaments/matches I’ve found that most are very down-to-earth, witty and sympathetic guys – a far cry from the ‘awkward and deranged’ stereotype. Just plain good company overall.

Chess somehow fits well with an individualistic outlook.
You are responsible and all blame is yours. You only get what you go and earn for yourself and are not guaranteed anything.
Dozens and hours of good moves can be thrown away at a moment’s notice and all your previous play doesn’t entitle you to a thing.
Teaches you self-reliance too: you’re there against a stranger disagreeing with you the whole time, and you gotta have, stand up for and implement your own ideas.

At some point I want to join a shooting range too, and a longer term goal I have is getting my Private Pilot License. I’ve always had a fascination for aviation and aircraft since when I was young.
I like that all my natural interests are male-dominated fields; I know it from personal experience for computer science and chess and I don’t think it’ll be different for shooting and flying.

I’ve never been in a relationship and at this point it’s unlikely even if I wanted to. No experience, no ‘social proof’ in that regard, that ship has probably sailed.
At the very least a lot of work beforehand would be needed which I obviously have no incentive for. I’ll be single my whole life and I’m fine with that, more than fine.
As is probably common among apostates, I do value life very much and consider it an extraordinary privilege just to be alive and breathe and sense.
There is so much that I still want to read, learn, master, see and do before the lights go out, and I’m committed to making the most of this new life I’m creating.

[Anonymous 7]

‘sup bro. Welcome.
BTW congrats on escaping two plantations

[joetechParticipant]

Welcome to the forum. I think you’ll find that once you’re in your mid forties you’ll discover it’s the women that want sex more than the men. They stay that way until menopause hits them. Then, they’re just old, crabby, and bitter about their lost youth. Stay away from committing to a woman and you’ll have the time of your life. You’re young enough to set your life patterns and goals to suite the life you want to live. Keep yourself free and there’s no limit to what you can achieve. I wish I had the storehouse of knowledge that is on this site when I was 17.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[MACHOParticipant]

Sigma wrote:

The simplicity and logic of it struck me more and more, like some mathematical proof or law of nature.
It’s a harsh mechanism of sexual dynamics with a thick layer of cultural coverup on top.

Welcome Sigma, Great healthy intro, enjoy the forums.

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Welcome home sir.
Take a seat.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 12]

Welcome aboard and congratulations on freeing yourself from Islam. On the surface that religion seems very male orientated but it seems to enslave men as well.

I don’t think men want sex more than women. Women want it just as much sometimes even more. Women just know if they hang back men will come chasing them and they can have the freedom of options. Want to confuse a woman? Don’t pursue her.

[Anonymous 3]

Great intro! Thank you & welcome.
Stay direct. Don’t commit to any woman
Chess is great & I hope you do well. Lots of potential for a good happy & prosperous life.
Here’s my little piece of advice:
Don’t let the package it comes in fool you

[ghostParticipant]

Welcome home. Enjoy the forums.

[53ClicksUpParticipant 1345]

Welcome aboard Sigma!

Sounds like you have independently reached many valid conclusions using your own intellect and real life’s observations. This tells me that you are both intelligent and a keen observer. The only advice I can offer as far as women go is not to ever become involved with any of them. They are wretched creatures and even the “not so crazy one’s” will inadvertently f~~~ your life up big time. So keep them at arm’s length at all times.

I know as a 26 year old man, you are horny as s~~~ and likely to be looking for any knot hole in an oak tree to stick your manhood into. I don’t really know what to tell you to do about that. Some say pumping and dumping is acceptable, but it has a myriad of risks that come along with that behavior such as sexually transmitted disease, rape allegations, pregnancy traps etc.

I can assure you that no man should trust any woman these days that was raised in Western Civilization…. period end of story. Women can masquerade and pretend to be something they are not for years during a long courtship ritual, then turn on you like a tuna smelling viper.

In any event, I have many decades of both competitive flying and shooting under my belt. If you have any questions about either of those two sporting activities I would be more than happy to assist you in those pursuits.

Good Luck and look forward to reading more of your posts! Good intro!!!

[Anonymous 18]

Welcome bro. Thank you for the wise and eloquent post.

You are young and with time the message MGTOW preaches will be ingrained almost to become a default program. But it is not programming from men’s end, the women there with their behavior are constant red pills for men to have. All for free.

One thing I would say … Never be ashamed. Period. That’s the biggest hurdle I had to overcome having come from a traditional family myself.

Very glad to have you onboard.

Anonymous wrote:

escaping two plantations

Ha ha. I’d wager any religion is itself a matrix.

[Anonymous 1]

Sigma wrote:

I’ve never been in a relationship and at this point it’s unlikely even if I wanted to. No experience, no ‘social proof’ in that regard, that ship has probably sailed.

Yeah, I’m the same way. Seems best to let that ship sail, no regrets.

Sigma wrote:

As is probably common among apostates, I do value life very much and consider it an extraordinary privilege just to be alive and breathe and sense.
There is so much that I still want to read, learn, master, see and do before the lights go out, and I’m committed to making the most of this new life I’m creating.

I’m an Apostate too. I was raised fundamentalist Christian. It really does give you a new lease on life when you realize how many people were tortured and killed for not believing or asking too many questions. We are very lucky to still be alive and able to investigate truth with our own mind. You are most welcome here!

[SigmaParticipant 15]

Anonymous wrote:

It really does give you a new lease on life when you realize how many people were tortured and killed for not believing or asking too many questions. We are very lucky to still be alive and able to investigate truth with our own mind.

This made me remember a quote by Robert Ingersoll where he first talks about the sense of freedom from religious spiritual terror and then:

And then my heart was filled with gratitude, with thankfulness, and went out in love to all the heroes, the thinkers who gave their lives for the liberty of hand and brain — for the freedom of labor and thought — to those who fell on the fierce fields of war, to those who died in dungeons bound with chains — to those who proudly mounted scaffold’s stairs — to those whose bones were crushed, whose flesh was scarred and torn — to those by fire consumed — to all the wise, the good, the brave of every land, whose thoughts and deeds have given freedom to the sons of men. And then I vowed to grasp the torch that they had held, and hold it high, that light might conquer darkness still.

The full quote is on https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/859677-when-i-became-convinced-that-the-universe-is-natural.

[Anonymous 1]

Sigma wrote:

This made me remember a quote by Robert Ingersoll where he first talks about the sense of freedom from religious spiritual terror and then:

Thanks for that! I will check out more of Robert Ingersoll’s works. I will also say Congratulations on finding your way out of the trap. Becoming an Apostate was the most courageous thing I ever did. I was taught that I would burn in Hell forever, if I persisted in searching for the truth. That was a chance I was willing to take. I can understand how difficult it must have been for you to realize the truth. You are a brave man! +1

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