(Sob) If you could only forgive

[AutoliteParticipant]

Wally wrote:

Mgtow are angry but after the anger phases comes acceptance and finally enlightenment, we move on and better ourselves.

Bingo! The anger goes away and you just acknowledge the reality of the situation and then you adjust your attitudes and behavior accordingly. This is MGTOW. Why is that so difficult for women to understand???

[RASmanParticipant 1994]

Here’s the thing: if MGTOW need to forgive, the question is forgive for what? If MGTOW are being asked to forgive, the implication is that there is an acknowledgment of wrong doing on the other party’s part. In other words they admit they’re f~~~ed up and MGTOW is perfectly justified!

We rest our case 🙂

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I do have to admit that I had to do some forgiving to find peace:

I had to forgive myself for giving people the benefit of the doubt that they were good people. Mostly women, but a few guys too.

I had to forgive myself for banging my head against the wall thinking that there was something wrong with me. There wasn’t. I was just trying to pass a s~~~ test with no correct answer.

I had to forgive myself for marrying a narcissist, and for thinking that we were a good match because I didn’t really require much out of a relationship, so it was ok that I didn’t get much out of it.

Once I forgave myself for the stupid decisions I made, and vowed to learn from my mistakes, then everything made sense. It isn’t me, it’s them. And it’s a game I’m not required to play. So I don’t.

Yup gurls, I’m damaged goods. I’ve been damaged by self-enlightenment. I’ve been damaged by being able to see the truth. I’ve been damaged by realizing that I’m not the problem. And the damage is permanent.

What the person writing the article doesn’t understand is that it’s not about forgiving someone else. Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond. And the author is focusing on the 10% while we are focusing on the 90%. That’s where he goes off the rails. I don’t forgive my ex for being a narcissist, but I do forgive myself for getting involved with her.

Order the good wine

[TrapperParticipant 2912]

RASman wrote:

Here’s the thing: if MGTOW need to forgive, the question is forgive for what? If MGTOW are being asked to forgive, the implication is that there is an acknowledgment of wrong doing on the other party’s part. In other words they admit they’re f~~~ed up and MGTOW is perfectly justified!

We rest our case ?

Yesss!!! Exactly what I was thinking! And I don’t forgive if the offender hasn’t changed their behavior!

[narwhalParticipant]

I think people have different definitions of forgiveness and forgetting, and that’s fine. As well, the author has good points about the negative impacts of withholding forgiveness.

But, the author isn’t really looking at how a MGTOW feels that they’ve been wronged, what brought about the ‘rage’ in the first place. He writes it off as ‘biological imperative’. Don’t be mad, it just is what it is. He claims men are the same way, which is true. He asks men to rise above that, but doesn’t ask the same as women. So we should expect less from them, treat them as lesser creatures? The laws of the land are designed to curtail the damages caused by our biological nature, yet a woman’s nature is allowed to run wild with no concern for the damage left behind.

But forget about that for a moment. The easiest situation to forgiven is when restitution has been put in place. When the person that has wronged you has made what was broken whole again. Has that happened? Below that, forgiveness is easier when the person who has wronged you asks for forgiveness. They admit they are wrong, regret it, but cannot provide restitution. Has that happened? Even a step below that, forgiveness is eased what how you were wronged is no longer occurring. Has that happened?

No. The thing we are asked to forgive never had restitution, rarely are apologized for, and are usually on-going. How can you expect a man to forgive a woman who took half his life savings, never gave it back, feels it’s her right to take it (and the government agrees with her), and will do it again if given have a chance?

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 0]

I read this and immediately think of the lion/tiger/venomous snake analogy. I can forgive a them for doing what they’re supposed to do but I will NEVER trust them and I just don’t want to hang out with any lions, tigers, or venomous snakes.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

fail to comprehend MGTOW.

GAWD. That article reeks of it. Totally upside-down.

But what if there’s nothing to forgive?
What if there is only other men to THANK?

What if foresight is really 20/20?
What if the grapes really ARE sour?

What if, no women successfully “wounded” me?

The wiser minds in the MGTOW movement encourage men to go beyond the “red pill rage” and discover a constructive life purpose and to even become “self actualised”. However, they don’t usually recommend forgiveness and tend hold the view that “women are the problem”.

I’ll happily recommend “forgiveness”.

• I recommend women forgive the man she PRETENDED “sexually assaulted” her.
• I recommend women forgive the man who hit her back when she threw a punch.
• I recommend women forgive “manspreading” on the subway.
• I recommend women forgive when we “mansplain” something.
• I recommend Cosby’s false accusers “forgive” him.
• I recommend Bill O’Reilly’s false accusers “forgive” him.
• I recommend Amber Heard forgives Johny Depp for writing her a check for $7 million.
• I recommend every ex wife “forgive” the man she married and then set out to destroy.
• I recommend Tiger Woods ex-wife “forgive” him for giving her $250M for being bad in bed and beating him with a golf club.

Where is their “forgiveness”??

People literally, “Know not what they do”.

Oh yes, they “literally” do.
… unless you like to paint women as clueless, unaccountable, inferior toddlers.

It is better to realise the fact that there are conscious people and there are unconscious people of both genders.

Yes and MGTOW are conscious, while the miserable Cuckstain who wrote that garbage is UN-conscious.

A man is not really going his own way if what he does is all about the ways he is angry at women

^^ And there it is. A toilet paper article twisting MGTOW into being all about the “wounds” women caused — and then saying they should just not talk about it.

THE MESSAGE: FORGIVE HER BECAUSE SHE “KNOWS NOT WHAT SHE DOES”.

Who’s unconscious here?
Because she knows EXACTLY what she does and goes out of her way to do it.

If I stop her before she gets the chance, then there’s nothing to forgive!

How awesome is that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

RASman wrote:

Guess MGTOW is making an impact.

I often long for the good old days when feminists used to show up here chuckling – saying MGTOW would never amount to anything. And now they are sweating through their blouses . . . .

. . . . BEGGING for “forgiveness”.

I’m surprised the cuckstain author “William Fergus Martin” didn’t suggest women throw themselves down on their knees and BEG for the forgiveness they should recieve, Instead of expecting the “wounded” men to just give it to them.

After all, when you want god’s “forgiveness” for anything, you’re expected to get in your car, drive to a nearest parish, and make a verbal acknowledgement and confession of your sins.

Ain’t that right, skippy.

For his penance, he can say 3 hail MGTOWs and an “Our father”.
“A powerful way to freedom, happiness and success”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[GrumpyParticipant]

How does that old adage go again?
Oh Yes..
To Err is human, to forgive is divine.

I dear readers, am human.
My capacity for enduring personal pain, suffering, sacrifice, punishment is not infinite.
I make mistakes and admit to my part of fault/blame.
I correct what I can, make amends for my transgressions where possible, and move on with lessons learned.
What I do not do is accept total blame and accountability for transgressions perpetrated against me by others so they may continue to to play the victim vice the real perpetrator and not accept appropriate “punishment” for their misdeeds.

As I am not “divine”, My forgiveness and forbearance is limited and therefore I must defer the ability to fully forgive to the deity of your choosing.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Forgive? There is NOTHING to forgive.
As for the ‘you’ll-always-be-bitter’ part….no, that’s only temporary.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

unless you like to paint women as clueless, unaccountable, inferior toddlers.

Without opening a can or holding a brush isn’t that the color we see? Toddler pink? Mentally snap back to a 5 yo screaming frustrated child? A child that’s without discipline, a spoiled child. The contract of marriage legally holds a man into a contract of extortion to a narcissistic sadistic untamed spoiled rotten child. The old contract was more fair and just, she could leave, but with nothing, no futures on his earnings, no children, nothing, squat diddly!

Keymaster wrote:

Because she knows EXACTLY what she does and goes out of her way to do it.

There’s the mean streak that runs deep with all the gains over a man legally, she’s held accountable for nothing and enslaves the man through legal binding extortion via the threat of divorce rape and utter destruction.

The whole thing is upside down and crashing thanks to the insanity now legislated by law.

Women have no mercy, it’s been proven throughout history, John the Baptist lost his head to the evil MANipulations of a c~~~ behind the scenes of power and authority. Cleopatra, another evil manipulating c~~~, the list goes on and on, and now the genie is out of the bottle like 5 Fukushimas and a few Chernobyls! The femnazi genie’s out of the bottle and spread out everywhere!

From what I can see only MGTOW have the proper protective gear.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

for me, forgiveness comes naturally… eventually. But it’s on my terms and in my time. As already pointed out, forgiveness when the offense has been compensated, or requested, or at the very least acknowledged and stopped…is a bit more realistic. None of that has happened.

I suspect that the underlying message when I am encouraged to forgive is that I’m being encouraged to trust again. Trust is a very different concept. And requesting it just after, or during an injury is unrealistic. So, the first step to getting that lost trust again is forgiveness.

When a bank robber succeeds in robbing a bank with lax security, he doesn’t really care if the bank forgives him or not. He cares about how much unearned money he got away with. He cares some wether the bank still has detectives out looking for him. But essentially, he cares only about himself. What he is likely to care most about is wether the bank has improved its security or, will be available to rob again.

A bank trusting that it has adequate security (when it does not) is of some value to the thief. Forgiveness is of little value to an offender who is already beyond consequences for what they’ve done. But trust is useful to the offender because it creates the opportunity to do it again.

Ok ladies. You are forgiven. Now, I am healthier, and you are safer because you need not fear revenge.

But you are not trusted.

As a result, I am safer, and you… have one less opportunity to rob.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

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