So Tom Leykis talked about MGTOW yesterday….

[EchoesParticipant 92]

Thanks for the link, I actually just found out about Tom yesterday on Youtube from his shows in 2003. I was taken aback at what some of the callers said and how articulate he positioned his arguments.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Thanks, I always wondered if he was in the loop about MGTOW.

I consider Tom Leykis to be the godfather of MGTOW.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[HaymakerParticipant 226]

I love Tom. Dad I never had. I pretty much agree with him about everything. Listening to him on youtube for hours while playing some Total war series. Just so magical. And in a grand scheme of things I want to have his lifestyle one day. Being so happy at 50 it really must be awsome.

Always going big, Yeah you know the kid, Call me haymaker.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

FunInTheSun wrote:

I consider Tom Leykis to be the godfather of MGTOW.

In his radio shows from the early 2000’s he hits all the points: hypergamy, male disposability, divorce rape, the use of sex as a bargaining chip, females wanting equal authority without equal responsibility… but rather than encouraging young men to forgo interactions with women, he tells them to take advantage of the knowledge he’s dispensing in order to avoid the pitfalls and get to the goods as quickly as possible.

He embraces biological determinism, accepts the transactional nature of male/female relationships and acknowledges the risks involved in engaging with women… and revels in the fact that he knows them better than they know themselves and can use that knowledge to get whatever he wants from them.

I fully agree that the man is a MGTOW without perhaps realizing (or stating) it, but probably the kind of MGTOW a lot of our forum participants would prefer to disagree with and label a PUA.

The guy is definitely a carnivore and I’ve never heard him say a single thing that I would disagree with… except for thinking foreign women treat men better than American women. Oh they may treat their men better, but only because they’re more skilled at the game and therefore more dangerous. That and I don’t find Latinas attractive in the least.

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Stargazer wrote:

That and I don’t find Latinas attractive in the least.

Heh. Tom has a real boner for Latinas.

Stargazer wrote:

except for thinking foreign women treat men better than American women.

I can confirm that. Women in western society are all the same. Perhaps in EU they downplay their game a bit.

Always going big, Yeah you know the kid, Call me haymaker.

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