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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/02/04/lawmakers-introduce-bill-to-make-women-take-part-in-the-draft/So here in the U.S.A. the issue of drafting women has come up again and it’s interesting how it has played out to get to this point.
A bill has now been introduced (which is far from a law being passed but is a lot further than one would have expected it to go already) by a pair of our Republicans to extend the draft to women. (And at least one of the congressmen has stated they would like to vote against their own bill).
What has brought this to a head at the moment was the opening of all combat roles to be available to women largely at Obama’s behest and insistence.
Which our military has recently complied with, and then our military leaders turned around and brought up the point that the draft has been brought up repeatedly in court all the way to the Supreme Court and the sole reasoning of the courts for the draft not applying to women as well as men was that the combat roles were not open to them.
Now which way all the major players are hoping to force things (do our military leaders want to get the draft to apply to women as well, or are they trying to use this to force the rest of the government to back down on them having to allow all the roles open to women) I’m not sure but this has to be the most incredible game of chicken I’ve ever seen.
What may have caught many off guard is the way public opinion has flown, while a bunch of trad cons say this isn’t sensible or fair, and a lot of feminist have gone with now is the time to repeal the draft, I see a lot more women saying that the draft should be implemented for women as well. I can hardly stop laughing at it all.
I actually hope it passes, the draft was the big example that tanked the ERA here once upon a time, if it passes that has a good chance of reviving discussions of the ERA as well I would love to see the feminists have to deal with that next.
Men can be drafted. Women may not be drafted. Clearly, this inequality imposed by a phalo-centric patriarchy must be abolished.
Draft the <ahem> bitches!
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Good good!I can’t wait to see strong independent women foot the bill for once!
Good good!I can’t wait to see strong independent women foot the bill for once!
We have been carrying women for the past 100,000 years or so. It is about time the learned that staying home, raising children, and gathering foods is not such a bad deal as their Arch-Feminist Mistresses have been telling them.
Edit: I say send the women to the front lines and let them learn first hand why they are not so strong and independent as they keep on yakking about. Their ancestors lived to pass on their genes because men did go the front, but they stayed behind to gather and rear their children.
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What may have caught many off guard is the way public opinion has flown, while a bunch of trad cons say this isn’t sensible or fair, and a lot of feminist have gone with now is the time to repeal the draft, I see a lot more women saying that the draft should be implemented for women as well. I can hardly stop laughing at it all.
Its the younger women that hate it…all the mid 20s and older feminists could care less about the younger women because the older feminists know they are safely above the age range of the draft if it were to include women next year or whatever, and if a bunch of younger women were drafted it just decreases the eventual competition their post wall asses face for men and resources.
Anonymous3What may have caught many off guard is the way public opinion has flown, while a bunch of trad cons say this isn’t sensible or fair, and a lot of feminist have gone with now is the time to repeal the draft, I see a lot more women saying that the draft should be implemented for women as well. I can hardly stop laughing at it all.
Its the younger women that hate it…all the mid 20s and older feminists could care less about the younger women because the older feminists know they are safely above the age range of the draft if it were to include women next year or whatever, and if a bunch of younger women were drafted it just decreases the eventual competition their post wall asses face for men and resources.
That’s quite true. But since younger women were so happy to follow these harpies, let them suffer from it. Stupid is as stupid does.
I’ve stated for a long time that eventually society has to make a decision, does it want to continue to pander to these post-wall worthless women that can’t even reproduce, or does it want to actually start advancing forward again?
It is a non victory. There will never again be a draft so it’s pointless. Now the females will just say see we have it as bad as the men.
Do not mistake me, I would love to see all the females on the front lines but it won’t be happening.
I would like to see a true ERA with gender neutral language. So we can get fair treatment.
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I saw this the other day as well. I actually saw one woman comment that women shouldn’t be subjected to the draft because they are more valuable than men. Her logic was that they carried a child for nine months and therefore had more value than a man.
I hope like hell she ends up alone, bitter, and hugging her cats at night wondering why some no-value piece of s~~~ doesn’t love her.
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Now all we need is a big war.
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It is a non victory. There will never again be a draft so it’s pointless.
Not quite, Jan. While there most likely won’t be another draft, as I explained in the thread a few days ago, young men who fail to register are heavily penalized by both the federal government and individual states.
How heavily? Among other things, how does being denied a driver’s license sound to you?
Women, naturally, get their usual pussy pass. They aren’t required to register so any potential penalties for not doing so are moot. As usual, women get all the same rights, plus additional privileges, while avoiding any real responsibilities.
The possibility of having to register for the draft was a large reason why a majority of women fought against passage of the Equal Rights Amendment.
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Not quite, Jan. While there most likely won’t be another draft, as I explained in the thread a few days ago, young men who fail to register are heavily penalized by both the federal government and individual states.
How heavily? Among other things, how does being denied a driver’s license sound to you?
Women, naturally, get their usual pussy pass. They aren’t required to register so any potential penalties for not doing so are moot. As usual, women get all the same rights, plus additional privileges, while avoiding any real responsibilities.
The possibility of having to register for the draft was a large reason why a majority of women fought against passage of the Equal Rights Amendment.
That is an old, worn out, abused pass that will likely be soon revoked, one way or another. More than likely from foreign involvement. But, I can see domestic sources do so, should elections ever be suspended.
On the matter of the draft. I don’t see that working. One does spend lifetimes constantly abusing and exploiting an entire section of a population, and then attempt to draft that section of the population to fight and die in a war they want no part in.
Even the apathetic ones of that group would more than likely turn on them, rather than fight and die for them.
This is the reason why in history militaries did not conscript from their slave populations. They did not want to teach their victims how to fight and defend themselves. There was to much resentment and bad blood from the slaves to attempt such endeavors. And doing so would only invite rebellion against these militaries.
Without loyalty, there is no morale. And fear only works in the short term, until that fear becomes rage and betrayal.
That’s quite true. But since younger women were so happy to follow these harpies, let them suffer from it. Stupid is as stupid does.
Yup…even if they weren’t enlisting themselves, they sat back chanting “girl power” proud as peac~~~s their sisters can do it too…now they can enjoy what they’ve earned.
There will never again be a draft so it’s pointless.
I wouldn’t be so sure about this. The world hasn’t seen actual super powers in open warfare since WWII. I think the scale of death if we had some sort of NATO vs Russia conflict or some sort of conflict with China would be drastically different than what we’ve seen over the last decade in middle east where countries are the equivalent of one of our states and we have overwhelming technical advantages. Basically China or Russia could kill more of our guys in a day than we lost in the last decade in the middle east…I hope it doesn’t ever come down to this but if we had a conflict of this scale there would definitely be a draft.
This is the reason why in history militaries did not conscript from their slave populations. They did not want to teach their victims how to fight and defend themselves. There was to much resentment and bad blood from the slaves to attempt such endeavors. And doing so would only invite rebellion against these militaries.
There is a difference between conscripting slaves to go conquer foreign lands, and drafting from the general population to protect their way of life from a legitimate outside threat.
You often hear about draft dodgers and protesters in the Vietnam war…yet not so much during WWII even though a more large scale draft was going on during WWII.
That is an old, worn out, abused pass that will likely be soon revoked, one way or another.
I see the pussy pass prevailing. They’ll hem and haw, playing for time in a well-founded belief the issue will fade away. There’s an outside chance that Selective Service registration for men will be stopped in return for not registering women.
On the matter of the draft. I don’t see that working.
Again, it’s not about drafting. It’s about registering for a possible future draft.
One does spend lifetimes constantly abusing and exploiting an entire section of a population, and then attempt to draft that section of the population to fight and die in a war they want no part in.
Like the Irish in the US Civil War? Wait a minute…
This is the reason why in history militaries did not conscript from their slave populations.
Ever hear of the Ottoman Janisarries and Mamluks? The Hindu Chela? The sofa of the Mande and Mali states? The CSA’s serious plans to draft slaves in 1865? Or of dozens and dozens of other similar examples? Slave soldiers were used and used successfully much more often than you want to believe.
You need to read more history. A lot more history.
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Anonymous3Modern warfare probably doesn’t need as many bodies anymore anyway.
I’ve never bought the fiction that all the superpowers got together and had a gentleman’s agreement not to nuke each other into oblivion.
The second there is a real, actual war, each side will start dropping nuclear bombs on each other. And back in the 40s it was dropping an atom bomb that leveled a city. But we’re in 2016 now, I’m absolutely certain the destructive capacity is not only higher but it’s even easier to launch those things with a press of a button from anywhere in the world.
If any of you ever played Fallout, I suspect that is closer to truth than anyone wants to admit. We know for a fact that the elites, including the US govt, have safe underground bunkers that can withstand any attack. If there ever was a true war, all these people would just run down to their bunkers with their families and friends, and slaughter the rest of us without a hint of conscience.
They do not need tens of millions of people running around with bayonets. In fact that didn’t even work all that well in WWII. They could have dropped that bomb far earlier, but they waited until tens of millions of men died first, I suspect purely for population control reasons.
EDIT-Also Old Bill is completely right, and any MGTOW that doesn’t think the oligarchs have the power to force people into war if they want to is absolutely naive. Nobody has ever wanted to go die for the oligarchs yet it always happened anyway. This idea that somehow this time men will refuse to fight because governments preferred females over them is ridiculous. Most men take the path of least resistance, and it’s going to be just becoming cannon fodder. A few brave souls will fight against their own government, be labeled traitors and then erased from history, like it’s always been. Or they’ll be painted as monsters instead of heroes.
There is a difference between conscripting slaves to go conquer foreign lands, and drafting from the general population to protect their way of life from a legitimate outside threat.
You often hear about draft dodgers and protesters in the Vietnam war…yet not so much during WWII even though a more large scale draft was going on during WWII.
That was two generations ago, when men were still allowed to have a piece of the pie. The welfare state and desecration of men had not fully kicked off them.
I see the pussy pass prevailing. They’ll hem and haw, playing for time in a well-founded belief the issue will fade away. There’s an outside chance that Selective Service registration for men will be stopped in return for not registering women.
Oh, I am not talking about drafting women. I am talking about the muslims, mexicans, or chinese enslaving the women.
Western government treats men like dirt, but role the welcome mat foreign men, while hiding the crimes these foreign men commit against women.
I see how things are playing out, and where events will likely lead. And I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
Again, it’s not about drafting. It’s about registering for a possible future draft.
I am talking leading things to their possible conclusion.
Like the Irish in the US Civil War? Wait a minute…
Look up the draft riots of NYC, which were mostly by the Irish.
Ever hear of the Ottoman Janisarries and Mamluks? The Hindu Chela? The sofa of the Mande and Mali states? The CSA’s serious plans to draft slaves in 1865? Or of dozens and dozens of other similar examples? Slave soldiers were used and used successfully much more often than you want to believe.
And that didn’t work out for most of them.
You need to read more history. A lot more history.
I do. We just read to different sections of history on military. I was focusing a mix of research ancient Roman and modern warfare history. While, barring the CSA, you focused on middle eastern and southeast asia military histories.
Also, before you mention Genghis Khan having his slaves conscripted. They were not trained. These slaves and prisoners were put in the front of Khan’s armies, and lead into battle, to be used as meat-shields.
I’ve never bought the fiction that all the superpowers got together and had a gentleman’s agreement not to nuke each other into oblivion.
Even if there was an agreement not to nuke, its going to be null and void as soon as its obvious one side is losing.
They do not need tens of millions of people running around with bayonets.
During WWII we had a population of around 135 million and 12 million troops in our military.
China has over 1.3 billion people…if they grew their military to the same proportion of their population that we had during WWII and attacked us our current 1.5 million troop military would be outnumbered almost 100 to 1. We’d be having another draft.
That was two generations ago, when men were still allowed to have a piece of the pie. The welfare state and desecration of men had not fully kicked off them.
Sorry bro, you are a bit off the mark here. Men weren’t happy go go off and fight Nazi’s because they were “still allowed to have a piece of the pie.” They did their duty because they knew how terrible a Nazi victory would be.
Same for the Japanese…look how the Japanese treated the Chinese during WWII. Would you be sitting around refusing to obey draft orders because feminism if the alternative was an invading force that would wreck your home, take anything you have of value, and probably just kill you anyhow if they came over here?
Considering it was a Japanese attack on American soil that dragged us into WWII, I don’t think the idea that axis troops would turn their sites on us if they were successful in Europe/Asia was too far fetched at the time, and considering how many civilian deaths and how much property was destroyed in Europe/Asia during WWII I think our boys were pretty god damn proud they prevented that s~~~ show from making its way over here.
Look up the draft riots of NYC, which were mostly by the Irish.
Look up the Irish Brigade instead. For every Irish immigrant rioting in NYC in 1863, a dozen or more were serving in the Union Army. Hell, a few predominately Irish regiments even helped put down the draft riots so roping in the immigrant gangs inhabiting the Fiver Corners doesn’t make your case.
And that didn’t work out for most of them.
Didn’t work out well for most of them? Score a f~~~ing laugh point.
The Ottomans were a world power for nearly 5 centuries. They controlled the Balkans from mid-1350s to the late 19th Century, controlled Greece for nearly as long, were coveted members in various European anti-Hapsburg alliances for most of the 16th and 17th Centuries, besieged Vienna as late as 1683, and fought Tsarist Russia to a standstill as late as the 1870s.
Things “worked out” for the Ottomans for quite a long time.
I’ll let you educate yourself regarding the Moghuls, Malians, Malinka, and others but you’ll be surprised to learn that there are more successful and long lasting empires out there than just Rome.
I do.
No, you don’t. You admit you limit your reading to ancient Rome and modern warfare so your “research” is deliberately blinkered and your understanding just as sparse. You need to read more history apart from that of Rome and modern warfare. Reading your umpteenth book on Caesar or Midway doesn’t help you, it’s a simple rehashing of what you already know.
While, barring the CSA, you focused on middle eastern and southeast asia military histories.
I focused on history and not some tunnel vision version of history.
Also, before you mention Genghis Khan…
Don’t worry. I gave examples of successful slave soldiers to refute your blind dismissal of the same so listing all the uses of meat shields wouldn’t make my point.
Pull your head out of Rome and WW2. There’s an entire planet waiting for you.
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Sorry bro, you are a bit off the mark here. Men weren’t happy go go off and fight Nazi’s because they were “still allowed to have a piece of the pie.” They did their duty because they knew how terrible a Nazi victory would be.
I see you were handed a spoon full of bill pills this morning.
That is a vast over-generalization of the issue. And we can also mentioned the japanese internment camps. I wonder how you would justify those?
Even fifty years ago, a man just out of high school could get a starting job with a total monthly salary that allowed them to afford a decent apartment, food, clothing, and some extra money for that month.
Now, the insane requirements have it so one needs a college degree to flip burgers, and the salary won’t even be enough to pay the monthly rent on a place to stay.
At this point, there is no reason to fight for a society that grind you into the dirt at every opportunity. But, there is every reason to rebel.
Don’t fool yourself, MGTOW, red pill, the whom concept is rebellion. We just don’t stand up and shout. We don’t make a big show of it. We understand that discretion is the better are of valor.
The only difference is that MGTOW rebels by doing things quietly, unplugging, and going minimalist.
Soldiers do not fight for their counties. Soldiers fight for their families that live in those countries. There is a big difference between the two concepts.
And when a person is denied that family, that carrot, all one has is a stick to use against that person. And a stick will only keep someone in control for so long, before those individuals snap.
I focused on history and not some tunnel vision version of history.
I am pointing out how there is so much history, that one can come to two different conclusions.
I point out the glass if half full. You point out the glass is half empty. It is as simple as that.
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