Seeing the world through red pill tinted lenses/ Unorthodox Rage

[AT83Participant 12]

I’m a 22 year old USA male.
____Ive had quite a few ‘awakenings’ in my life, despite being so young. Not all MGTOW related, though very early on I saw the difference in the way the sexes are treated and how criminal it was, probably around 16 or 17. I was still a blue pill man though, unable to give up the provider role and still playing into the female hand with relationships and the way I viewed the individual women, I think this is where most MRA guys are; they are able to see that the general woman for what she is, but are easily tricked by the individual. They rage at the pussy-pass and the situation we are put in, but are not ready to remove themselves from the system. I stumbled upon Sandmans youtube videos a few days ago and I havent been able to stop watching them. Ive had 10-15 tabs open of videos and its something I think I needed to find. All of the unfocused rage and realization about how society really works, all the general ideas in my head, and slowly forming ideologies were seemingly put into laser focus and verbalized right back to me.

___I had two large vague concepts in my head for a long time, this world (in 1st world countries) is a females world and that they have every advantage and still claim to be victims, and the second, a general idea of true female nature. I was unable to connect the two however, in the way I have now. Most importantly, a solution to the, now focused and better understood, problem arose, take the red pill and just don’t play the game; don’t just fold the hand, get up from the table and leave the casino. So simple, and yet brilliant, it would have taken me a very long time to come to this conclusion on my own due to social conditioning.

___So here we are, I’m taking the red pill. I’ve been disillusioned about society for a while, have semi-recently become disenchanted with sex and women, and now, finally, I’m leaving the game. Thanks for having this community to come to.

___Being that I’ve already gotten out almost all of the typical ‘red pill rage’ when I was a bit younger, its not as durastic a change as I feel some members might come to, just a focusing, cementing, and building together several ideas already discovered. Having already expended my initial rage against the machine, it surprised me when I realized I am going through a bit of, perhaps unorthodox, rage. I’d like others to weigh in and maybe help me out.

___Growing up, I had to learn almost everything for myself. My parents provided for me well financially, and I believe that 98% of the time honestly had the best of intentions, even if there was poor execution or downright bad advice. As far as teaching me how to be a ‘normal person’ or how to do even the most basic of things though, I was on my own. It made me a much stronger, more mature, and free thinking person but I wouldn’t wish this on any child. I felt completeley destitute, isolated, abandonded and cheated by the people that were supposed to be the ultimate mentors. I was adopted, so maybe the lack of a hormonal kick to my parents is to account for this, maybe not, its not really important. Moving on.

___My Father is a great person, your clinical definition of a ‘nice guy’, INCLUDING the part of the definition where one is a beta male. He is so far gone on the scale I honestly would classify him as an OMEGA half of the time. He never taught me how to be a man, not the smallest thing. This has been something that, if I want to be honest with myself, has upset me greatly for a very long time, and one day, I will have a long conversation with him about. It really screwed me up developmentally, and I had to seek out a real alpha, one of my friends dads, a few sports coachs, and a college professor, and learn from them how a man should act because, not only did I not get taught, I never even had an example. We have somewhat of a good relationship now, but the extent to which he is a beta, honestly disgusts me at some times, and its strange being more alpha than your father, who society has you conditioned to believe is supposed to be THE man. It makes things strange at times, but I love him of course and respect him.. just an odd flavor of respect. Don’t mistake this for self pity, I am stronger for all of this, and now that it is all said and done I am glad with the results and who I’ve become, but you have to understand this rift because the issue im running into seems to be in parallel.

___I find myself angry, the slow burning, simmering kind, at my father for not teaching me any of this. I am angry that he did not warn me of womens true nature, or any of this VITAL information. I am angry because he perpetuated this s~~~ty gynocentric culture. I don’t know the difference between a ‘simp (symp?)’ and a ‘mangina’ yet (explain please?) but he is definitley one of the two and I am angry that he is this way. I’m not sure why it is something my mind is directing at him, or why this is any different than the aforementioned issue but for some reason it is. Have any of you experienced somthing similar, or have insight on this?

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world he does not exist; The greatest trick women ever pulled is convincing the world that they are not the devil." - Sandman || "MGTOW isn't an ideology, its deprogramming" - Stealthy

[experiencedParticipant]

Good on you for being here, congrats!
We are all having our eyes opened; it’s a continuing process.
In the olden days, fathers would have the opportunity and take it, to spend more time with their sons wherein they could accidentally let slip the truth about the ladies. Not at all today.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 5]

Welcome! Thanks for sharing a great read.

AT83 wrote:

this is where most MRA guys are; they are able to see that the general woman for what she is, but are easily tricked by the individual.

What a terrific way of explaining the real difference between MGTOW and all the rest of the Blue/Red Pillers, MRA’s etc
I don’t think there’s a single thing we know or have discovered that every Blue Piller doesn’t already know, except the AWALT principle, and that all AWALTs have a NAWALT routine.
Most know all about women but then meet some sweet smiling, soft talking, cutey that hasn’t got a mean bone in her body, who won’t stop sucking their c~~~ dry and then exclaim the final fatal words,, “THIS ONE’S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!” then another one bites the dust.
Unbelievable that you’ve so quickly managed to wade through the mountains of knowledge and distilled the essence of MGTOW. Well done!

AT83 wrote:

My Father is a great person, your clinical definition of a ‘nice guy’, INCLUDING the part of the definition where one is a beta male.

No man will ever love you like this man, and you can’t judge unless you’re in his shoes.
The only way to properly judge him is to find a nice little NAWALT, sign a marriage contract, settle down and get yourself a homely little mortgage.
Women won’t tolerate true masculine behaviour once they have power and they have a plethora of overt and covert ways to emasculate their resources. Don’t judge him.

AT83 wrote:

I stumbled upon Sandmans youtube videos a few days ago and I havent been able to stop watching them.

hahaha, I remember that time well. I could barely sleep for 2 or 3 days.
There’s quite a bit of roller coasting in store (lots of it not so good) but sooner or later it’ll level out and after that it’s best described as “Zen” or something like that. It’s terrific.
Welcome again, enjoy being part of a great group of men.

[bstoffParticipant 4865]

Don’t be so hard on your dad. Remember, he’s been conditioned and trained into the mangina he is. Our society: the school system, the workplace and the court system, to name a few, have prevented many men from being, or from even learning to become men. It’s hard to be out in the open about the way a real man feels in this gynocentric, oppressive system.

[AttonParticipant]

Your farther is to an extent ignorant of nature of women. He cannot teach what he does not know, such a thing would be impossible.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[AT83Participant 12]

___Thank you guys for weighing in. I would like to make clear that I value mine and my fathers relationship higher than any other relationship I have and he is not a bad person. I just don’t understand sometimes, and we are extraordinarily different in most every aspect. While I will admit to have judged him and to be ignorant of the life experience he has had, its how you live life, asigning your own judgements to ideals, people, experiences, etc. If you don’t activley judge these things you are no better than a child, a person that lives solely in the moment, or a person that does not learn from experiences. To say this is in a derogatory way, like “you shouldn’t judge x” seems foolish and like a conditioned, coddled society, knee-jerk reaction.

___A somewhat related issue, how do I share this with him? He has voiced several times that he needs to spend more time with men because I think, perhaps on a subconcious level, he recognizes that something is amiss. I am in the army, and we met one of the guys that defended the complex in Bengazi, Tontou, recently. He was completely starstruck which was amusing, but asked me how he can meet, befriend, and spend time with guys like this. I believe it was equal parts being a hero, and being an alpha that made him have this need. I can tell that he knows there is a void in his life and he wants to fill it but just doesn’t know how.
___He is married to my mother, which I feel may be a real narwhal, (meaning women who is the exception rather than the rule, yes?) and she has been with him when he had little, all the way through the gauntlet to the other side. While I do recognize some bad female charictaristics in her, I think it is mainly subconcious and just the nature, much as the way alligators eat fish, and cannot find large fault in her for that. How do I share this with him, or at least parts, to make his blue pill existance, which I believe unchangable at this point, more enjoyable, managable, and most importantly have a group of male peers to fill that NECISSARY void in his life?

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world he does not exist; The greatest trick women ever pulled is convincing the world that they are not the devil." - Sandman || "MGTOW isn't an ideology, its deprogramming" - Stealthy

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

AT83;

Welcome.

You are well ahead of the game – about 12 years before I came to a similar realization. Rage is normal part of disillusionment. It passes. It took me a failed marriage and betrayal to come to your realization. Social conditioning is strong.

In life regarding male/female interacts there are alphas (Chads) and betas. Both serve a role. Alpha attract female attention in various forms, for various reasons. Betas are the stable, nice guy, providers. Women tend to grab a beta in late 20-30, to lock in resources that are enforced by our modern legal system. They will always f~~~ a Chad over a beta. Like the force of gravity between two objects, it’s a fundamental law. Only time they won’t is when the chad pool runs dry. Summed up alpha f~~~, beta bucks. (AF/BB) Betas get f~~~ed, but it’s not as wild and only as a means of locking in resources.

I have stated this before, but will repeat

AF/BB is a fundamental law of nature, like the conservation of matter; to draw an analogy.

Sooner or later the reaction balances and we are left with this undeniable axiom (AF/BB) which always holds true. Anything but with the hamsters is a transient state. When they hit the wall the reaction just stops.

I am realizing getting mad about female fundamental nature is like getting made about the conservation of energy. It’s futile. AWALT.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

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