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Hello fellow MGTOWers,
I am creating this new post in hopes of receiving some advice about life, work and personal growth. Will try to make this as short as possible, because some of this info is a bit painful to share.
So basically I have been physically abused during my childhood. Always getting bullied in school (4-5 guys vs myself), and never knew how to fight. After school my dad would beat the s~~~ out of me for not doing well in school. My belief is that physical punishment is extremely detrimental to one’s health and well being. Although I have forgiven everything and everyone, it’s impossible to forget.
Why do I talk about this? Because I think most of my misfortunes reside in the fact that my self confidence has been destroyed, and now I’m pretty much stuck in life with little to no progress.My family migrated to Canada when I was 17. I barely finished school, although Gr 11 and 12 my marks improved, because no one was really f~~~ing with me. After high school enlisted in in Reserves, but resigned because I injured my knee real bad. After the army thing I went to College for business, but hated it and dropped out. I then went for something that was much more interesting (Biotech) and received associate degree in this field. But the jobs in my area in Biotech field are scarce and competition is fierce for even the basic wages. I learned that most of the Biotech companies would start with basic min wage. After a year of unsuccessful job hunt I gave up looking for work in Biotech, and now work as a security guard.
Even though I make some money, there is a growing concern for my own future. Every day I think of being worthless, useless and now face the real danger of living in poverty in future. The thought of this really scares me, and I have no idea or direction on what to do with my life.
I know most of you would not converse with someone who lives in their mom’s basement, but there is little choice as I cannot afford to live on my own. Have you been in a similar type of situation, and if so how did you get out? What particular actions did you take and what kind of mindset did you have to achieve that?
Another thing I wanted to talk about is the lack proper education and mentors in one’s life. Most of the teachers I had encountered throughout high school would belittle their students for bad performance, while the parents add salt to the wound. I think the society has gotten the wrong idea about education, motivation and raising children. It is unfortunate that so many people have been raised in such conditions, because these memories and experiences stick with them for the rest of life. When someone instills a belief in you, whether good or bad it usually results in that person actually following up on this belief. Right now I am thinking of possibly rewiring my thoughts and beliefs, yet I keep getting back to the negative thinking. For some time I was contemplating going to a shrink, but there is a feeling of mistrust towards health professionals as I can see them only doing their job for the money.
So what should I do brothers? Is it simply a matter of kicking myself in the ass and being more aggressive with the job hunt? Am I being too negative and should start thinking more positive? WTF do I do to get myself out of this misery?
MGTOW AKBAR
You’re on the road – I know this simply because you’ve chosen to join us here. The past is over so despite the hardships which you endured, you have a future which lies ahead. I also work in the BioTech industry – but I am in the logistics end. Being over 55, I’ve been working for over 35 years. Starting out now would be daunting, but the technology available to you was absent in my younger years.
My first thought is to try to leverage your BioTech skills. By this I mean start in any ancillary position in the industry and acquire new skills as you move forward.
Please do not get tied down young as I did. I put my career on hold in my early 20’s got married and became a parent. When the marriage ended (as half do) nearly a decade later, I found myself starting over at 34. Still young, but now with the strain of child support and a kid.
Focus on yourself only. Women are a distraction – if you can have some fun with them without jeapordizing your future, go ahead, but only if. Keep us posted.for starters, you can live comfortably with a security guard salary if you are efficient with the money you make. Don’t spend money on things you don’t need.
In particular don’t spend money on women and don’t spend on things to impress women. If possible, use public transit instead of owning a car. All the little expenses add up to a lot.
i’m sorry to hear about your childhood physical abuse. But i do know several ppl including myself that have gone through similar things, altho not as severe.
how did you get out?
save money, spend time one your hobbies.
In addition, develop new hobbies, preferably cost low cost hobbies like sports or hiking.
when times are tough, just live one day at a time. You are still young and life will get better as time progresses.
If you are determined to move out, work two jobs. Work 50 hours a week. (i don’t recommend more than 50 hrs)
Good luck. We are here to support you and support each other.
Welcome to the Mgtow community
Cheers.
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
Anonymous0Hello fellow MGTOWers,
I am creating this new post in hopes of receiving some advice about life, work and personal growth. Will try to make this as short as possible, because some of this info is a bit painful to share.
[…]
Self-help books can help with this kind of thing. People put them down, but instead of asking for tips from strangers on the internet, why not read an entire book on the subject of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, written by acknowledged experts on the subject?
I recommend (from most basic to most sophisticated)
“Life Code,” by Dr. Phil McGraw (yes, *that* Dr. Phil)
“13 Things Mentally Strong People Don’t Do,” by Amy Morin
“F*ck Feelings,” by Michael I. Bennett MD, and Sarah Bennett.
“The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People,” by Stephen R. CoveyThey all avoid the feel-good approach taken by authors like Deepak Chopra and instead focus on solid, practical advice for getting ahead in life.
And while you’re at it, get together with a professional career counselor and talk about ways to lateral into a better career. Go to the pros and take their advice.
Anonymous54You have value to the Men on this site.There is nothing wrong with being a security guard and liveng in your Moms babesment.Start building from there.I think it’s important to try and notice a couple of things you enjoy everyday.A sunset,nice breeze,a ball game. At the end of each day reflect on what you enjoyed that day.
I know most of you would not converse with someone who lives in their mom’s basement
Lived in two cars and a tent in my early years – no shame in sleeping in the folks place if you can stand it and it saves you money.
I know it seems like living a cliche, but really don’t let that bother you. Take seriously the advice of the above posters – from what I can see it will really help, even if it doesn’t seem like it now – just start doing it and have faith.
Believe me, I would trade my $1500/mo rent and $550/mo child support payment for my mom’s basement if I could get away with it and it wouldn’t affect my kid (I’m lucky, the majority of my child support actually goes to help my kid, and that’s rare).
As long as you can keep from knocking up some chick and being on the hook for 18 years, you’re actually in a better position than you may realize. You have time and (relative)freedom – don’t ever take the value of that for granted. Take every opportunity to learn new things and improve your mind, it always pays off.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
Anonymous54I have lived in my car.
Believe me, I would trade my $1500/mo rent and $550/mo child support payment for my mom’s basement
this^^
that’s a lot of monthly expenses…
Please do not get tied down young as I did. I put my career on hold in my early 20’s got married and became a parent. When the marriage ended (as half do) nearly a decade later, I found myself starting over at 34. Still young, but now with the strain of child support and a kid.
great advice
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
Anonymous42My first place was a motorhome parked behind a mill building I worked at. I slept with 12ga pump, I swear the place was haunted!
There’s no shame in living at home during times like this, just keep focusing on the task at hand day by day and use your time wisely, procrastinate over nothing, keep every stitch of your life in proper place and order, adopt a don’t wait, do it now attitude.
And murder your TV, kill the f~~~ing thing! I haven’t seen nor heard one spew it’s filthy s~~~ in weeks, and even then I openly criticize the hypocrisy in front of blue pillers, I don’t watch TV, I JUDGE IT!
Thank you everyone for your replies. I have already implemented the advice of living a frugal lifestyle and living below my own means. Never ever would I spend a dime on a woman, not even talking about marriage/relations~~~. The stories about marriage/divorce on here were enough to cement my belief that such institution is a slavery meat grinder. Yet this lady at work constantly nags me why I’m still single, or when I’m going to get married. At first it was a joke, but now it becomes more like a harassment and p~~~es me of. Why are women so concerned with me getting married and or having kids? They always stick their noses where it doesn’t belong WTF???
The problem with being a security guard is that it is dangerous in a sense that it does not teach me any useful skills and potential for growth is severely limited or non existent. Another problem is that I have become lazy, but am thinking of looking for a different job yet with my lack of skills and schooling anything worthwhile is going to be difficult to get.
Was thinking of going into trades such as plumbing or electrician, but that takes time and with our economy who knows what jobs will be out there in the future. Besides soon enough there will be a robotic take over I keep hearing about. There’s even a website where you can type in your profession title and it gives you a percentage chance of your job being taken over by robots. Basically low skill level jobs and most labor are at risk, but jobs that require social skills such as nursing will be at much lower risk.
http://www.techinsider.io/calculator-see-jobs-robots-artificial-intelligence-will-take-2015-9
My goals is to make a salary so I can afford to live on my own and afford a decent lifestyle. Never would I want a big house or a flashy car. Just simple life and a roof over my head would be good enough.
It seems like for every dollar increase, the amount of responsibilities in the security industry goes exponentially. My supervisor makes 4$ more than regular guards, yet he is constantly stressed and on call 24/7 with only 1 day of rest.
We have this customer service girl that works right beside us during the day. She makes 18$ an hour+benefits, yet most of her work requires to answer a phone once a while…yeah talking about man’s entitlements lol. I myself work during the nights inside a building and quite often bums and skateboarders would come over and start causing s~~~. Getting fed up arguing, and a bunch of times had bums pull a knife on me, throw glass bottles or try to get into fights. I only make 12$ an hour and when I asked my boss for a dollar more for my salary he got all p~~~ed of and said that we are not valuable enough to deserve that. I became so angry and upset that it took tremendous effort for me not to punch him in the face. The f~~~er is a manager at a security company, makes 50K a year with benefits and yet dared to say this. Sometimes I question if greed is the way to go in this world, because it works…
MGTOW AKBAR
I know most of you would not converse with someone who lives in their mom’s basement,
Wrong. That’s bulls~~~ talk. Almost everyone here knows what its like to be beaten and abused either figuratively, literally, or both. No one here gives a damn if you live in a palatial mansion, or cardboard box so long as you are trying for better
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
Hello fellow MGTOWers,
I am creating this new post in hopes of receiving some advice about life, work and personal growth. Will try to make this as short as possible, because some of this info is a bit painful to share.
[…]
Self-help books can help with this kind of thing. People put them down, but instead of asking for tips from strangers on the internet, why not read an entire book on the subject of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, written by acknowledged experts on the subject?
I recommend (from most basic to most sophisticated)
“Life Code,” by Dr. Phil McGraw (yes, *that* Dr. Phil)
“13 Things Mentally Strong People Don’t Do,” by Amy Morin
“F*ck Feelings,” by Michael I. Bennett MD, and Sarah Bennett.
“The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People,” by Stephen R. CoveyThey all avoid the feel-good approach taken by authors like Deepak Chopra and instead focus on solid, practical advice for getting ahead in life.
And while you’re at it, get together with a professional career counselor and talk about ways to lateral into a better career. Go to the pros and take their advice.
You should add “Awaken the Giant Within” by Tony Robbins
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
I’m in the same position you’re in for the most part. Been living in my parents place since forever. I should’ve moved out by the time I was 18/19 years old, but I’m fairly certain I have autism and my social skills didn’t develop properly at all. The first time I even learned to look people in the eye was when I was forced to talk in front of a college class (god, I f~~~ing hated that).
Now, I’m a college graduate that has student debt out the ass and I can’t find a job in my field anywhere I look despite having a Bachelor’s in computer science.
Next week, I plan on applying to get going to a tradeschool site and applying there as a carpenter. Hopefully, if all goes well, I should be moved out of my parents place in a few months after I save up for a car.
The main reason I don’t stay with my parents is because they constantly argue all the time and they almost always treat me like a little kid lecturing me about stupid s~~~ I already know. Not to mention, my room is also being used as a storage room. So I have no space of my own either.
I’m 25 as well.
So if I were you, I’d definitely look into going into some type of trade if you don’t want to go to college. Or better yet, get IT certifications. Trades are a better option for me because I’ve always loved that type of environment. Plus, there’s hardly any women there at all and you’ll always have a job no matter what because trades are extremely hard to outsource to other countries.
You’ll also be able to work in a lot of rural areas if you hate the city life (I know I do) so that’s also a big benefit.
Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.
I’m in the same position you’re in for the most part. Been living in my parents place since forever. I should’ve moved out by the time I was 18/19 years old, but I’m fairly certain I have autism and my social skills didn’t develop properly at all. The first time I even learned to look people in the eye was when I was forced to talk in front of a college class (god, I f~~~ing hated that).
Now, I’m a college graduate that has student debt out the ass and I can’t find a job in my field anywhere I look despite having a Bachelor’s in computer science.
Next week, I plan on applying to get going to a tradeschool site and applying there as a carpenter. Hopefully, if all goes well, I should be moved out of my parents place in a few months after I save up for a car.
The main reason I don’t stay with my parents is because they constantly argue all the time and they almost always treat me like a little kid lecturing me about stupid s~~~ I already know. Not to mention, my room is also being used as a storage room. So I have no space of my own either.
I’m 25 as well.
So if I were you, I’d definitely look into going into some type of trade if you don’t want to go to college. Or better yet, get IT certifications. Trades are a better option for me because I’ve always loved that type of environment. Plus, there’s hardly any women there at all and you’ll always have a job no matter what because trades are extremely hard to outsource to other countries.
You’ll also be able to work in a lot of rural areas if you hate the city life (I know I do) so that’s also a big benefit.
I certainly can relate to what you described and I share your views on life. Like you I have a diplomaa, yet have not been able to find a job. Although I don’t have autism, but rather some form of ADD, because most of the times it was hard for me to focus in school.
I’m really thinking going into trades, but into either plumbing or electrician. It is indeed hard to outsource the trades, but I’m more worried that Robots will overtake these jobs. Already factories in Japan are replacing human workforce with robots, and eventually will spread here as well. The question is not IF but WHEN.
We have this local college in my s~~~ty city, and you know what? They give women free tuition, just because they want to attract more females in the workforce. How fair is that towards males? You can also bet that they will become s~~~ workers and will inevitably f~~~ up, no matter what trade.
I am wondering if there are trades people on here that can give us advice on how to start in these fields, what salaries did you start with and what salaries can you eventually make with experience? And what do you think will be the best trades that will be the hardest to outsource or will not be automated? And what kind of companies would be best to work for?
MGTOW AKBAR
I’m really thinking going into trades, but into either plumbing or electrician. It is indeed hard to outsource the trades, but I’m more worried that Robots will overtake these jobs.
I’m not worried that much because even if they do end up doing that, it’ll most likely be another 75 years before robots become common place to replace tradesmen. Not to mention the first few robots to do that will be extremely expensive to implement and even transport to rural sites.
We have this local college in my s~~~ty city, and you know what? They give women free tuition, just because they want to attract more females in the workforce.
I’ve always hated college environments because they pander to women. They’re more likely to get into any college they apply to and the teachers are more likely to be a feminist f~~~tard.
what salaries did you start with and what salaries can you eventually make with experience?
I’ve been looking into that as well. Most apprenticeships I’ve been looking at start at around $15 dollars an hour. And when you reach journeyman level, entry level tradesmen earn around $20-$25 dollars an hour. More experienced plumbers/welders/electricians can make well over $60 dollars an hour.
And a lot of the older tradesmen are getting to ready to retire so they’re definitely in need of more tradesmen who are just entering the field.
Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.
As has been said l keep expenses low and do a couple of jobs you will soon save money, start to invest it ..
Times will get better as said , that you made this post is a step forward.
Sorry to hear about the bullying,
I’m really thinking going into trades, but into either plumbing or electrician. It is indeed hard to outsource the trades, but I’m more worried that Robots will overtake these jobs.
I’m not worried that much because even if they do end up doing that, it’ll most likely be another 75 years before robots become common place to replace tradesmen. Not to mention the first few robots to do that will be extremely expensive to implement and even transport to rural sites.
We have this local college in my s~~~ty city, and you know what? They give women free tuition, just because they want to attract more females in the workforce.
I’ve always hated college environments because they pander to women. They’re more likely to get into any college they apply to and the teachers are more likely to be a feminist f~~~tard.
what salaries did you start with and what salaries can you eventually make with experience?
I’ve been looking into that as well. Most apprenticeships I’ve been looking at start at around $15 dollars an hour. And when you reach journeyman level, entry level tradesmen earn around $20-$25 dollars an hour. More experienced plumbers/welders/electricians can make well over $60 dollars an hour.
And a lot of the older tradesmen are getting to ready to retire so they’re definitely in need of more tradesmen who are just entering the field.
Hey Anthony where are you currently living at? I live in Waterloo, ON and I see that the only way to do the trades is to go to a local College, because they offer apprenticeship. But man you are so right about Colleges being filled with Feminazi teachers that lay the golden carpet for women. I have had this really annoying teacher in ethics course (completely useless), that would pick out men on issues relating to feminism and s~~~. She would always say “Be careful what you say”, in a joking manner but we knew full well she was pretty f~~~ing serious about what we said.
Anyway back on topic. I think trades are awesome and I always wanted to build houses, but always made excuses not to go into it while some of my friends are now making decent money in carpentry and electrical. But how does one get into apprenticeship when you have no experience in a trade of your interest?
MGTOW AKBAR
As has been said l keep expenses low and do a couple of jobs you will soon save money, start to invest it ..
Times will get better as said , that you made this post is a step forward.
Sorry to hear about the bullying,
THanks brother. Appreciate your reply! I have faith in myself, but do get some hardcore depression still. It sucks at times as I feel lonely, most of my friends don’t call or talk to me anymore but f~~~ it as they dug their own marriage holes and think that it’s a two way street lol. Yes times will get better!
MGTOW AKBAR
Hey Anthony where are you currently living at? I live in Waterloo, ON and I see that the only way to do the trades is to go to a local College, because they offer apprenticeship.
Currently I’m in Las Vegas, NV. That’s my only option as of right now as well. To go into a college that are offering apprenticeships.
The college I’m looking into has everything from plumbing to welding to choose from. I’m looking into carpentry because I always liked the idea of building s~~~ as a kid.
From what I hear, all you need to do to get into an apprenticeship is go to a place that’s offering one and apply to it. Some have math exams you have to take before hand though. And some require you to buy your own tool sets. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s any costs to it.
Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.
Hello fellow MGTOWers,
I am creating this new post in hopes of receiving some advice about life, work and personal growth. Will try to make this as short as possible, because some of this info is a bit painful to share.
So basically I have been physically abused during my childhood. Always getting bullied in school (4-5 guys vs myself), and never knew how to fight. After school my dad would beat the s~~~ out of me for not doing well in school. My belief is that physical punishment is extremely detrimental to one’s health and well being. Although I have forgiven everything and everyone, it’s impossible to forget.
Why do I talk about this? Because I think most of my misfortunes reside in the fact that my self confidence has been destroyed, and now I’m pretty much stuck in life with little to no progress.My family migrated to Canada when I was 17. I barely finished school, although Gr 11 and 12 my marks improved, because no one was really f~~~ing with me. After high school enlisted in in Reserves, but resigned because I injured my knee real bad. After the army thing I went to College for business, but hated it and dropped out. I then went for something that was much more interesting (Biotech) and received associate degree in this field. But the jobs in my area in Biotech field are scarce and competition is fierce for even the basic wages. I learned that most of the Biotech companies would start with basic min wage. After a year of unsuccessful job hunt I gave up looking for work in Biotech, and now work as a security guard.
Even though I make some money, there is a growing concern for my own future. Every day I think of being worthless, useless and now face the real danger of living in poverty in future. The thought of this really scares me, and I have no idea or direction on what to do with my life.
I know most of you would not converse with someone who lives in their mom’s basement, but there is little choice as I cannot afford to live on my own. Have you been in a similar type of situation, and if so how did you get out? What particular actions did you take and what kind of mindset did you have to achieve that?
Another thing I wanted to talk about is the lack proper education and mentors in one’s life. Most of the teachers I had encountered throughout high school would belittle their students for bad performance, while the parents add salt to the wound. I think the society has gotten the wrong idea about education, motivation and raising children. It is unfortunate that so many people have been raised in such conditions, because these memories and experiences stick with them for the rest of life. When someone instills a belief in you, whether good or bad it usually results in that person actually following up on this belief. Right now I am thinking of possibly rewiring my thoughts and beliefs, yet I keep getting back to the negative thinking. For some time I was contemplating going to a shrink, but there is a feeling of mistrust towards health professionals as I can see them only doing their job for the money.
So what should I do brothers? Is it simply a matter of kicking myself in the ass and being more aggressive with the job hunt? Am I being too negative and should start thinking more positive? WTF do I do to get myself out of this misery?
Hey Russky2,
I’m in the exact same boat as you man. Im 32 in a few months and have done security for the last 6 years man. I had a decent engineering job in a cable making factory in 2010 and lost it to the bulls~~~ recession. After that I decided to get a security guard licence (no idea why) and I’ve done everything from working in a mens prison to working at the dole office dealing with angry benefit claimants. I also still work as a bouncer/doorman on the weekends, and it is a dog s~~~ job. I stood outside a bank in one miserable security job for a year, 9 hours a day, just standing there like a t~~~ bored out of my skull. I lost the job after some jumped up little tosser customer gave me verbal abuse for being on my phone, and after a year of doing that soul destroying job and dealing with yuppie, condescending bastards, I finally snapped telling him to get in his car before I dragged him round the back and ended him.
The previous doorman/bouncer security company I worked for some how liquidated due to a dodgy tax issue, so now i work in-house for the bar i used to be contracted to by said company, because the manager there likes me. I utterly loathe the job and every f~~~ wit that patronizes the place.
Working security is one of the lowest paid jobs in the world, not to mention your are treated like a disposable/expendable piece of s~~~ and treated with utter disdain. I recommend you leave this dead end kill-your-self ‘industry’ and reclaim your dignity and pride, like I will eventually once I return to UK, and find a job that will treat you with respect and where you are appreciated.
Theres no garuntees that I wont do some weekend doorman work once i get back, as I have to survive somehow while I stay at my grandmothers. But If I do mange to find out what exactly it is I want to do job wise, I guess i will be stuck doing that inane s~~~.
I too have become a lazy fat f~~~ from doing security. I have a bit of a gut now from all the energy drinks and junk food i stuffed by face with over the years, while doing those soul destroying security jobs. Standing out in all weathers freezing my b~~~~ off or getting scorched by the sun. The trouble with doing security is you are made to feel like ass, some servile slave and become fatigued and lifeless and end up having no enthusiasm for anything, and its the same when you go home. You just can’t be f~~~ed doing anything. It’s a horrid cycle that will never end unless you get out of there. Not to mention the paltry pay. I’m in $20 NZD an hour at this bar job and it goes nowhere. For the normal static guard jobs i was getting minimum wage, and lived like i always did from week to week like a f~~~ing loser.
I still have no idea what the f~~~ im going to do once i get back to the UK. I have no interest in any type of 9-5 job or career. I’m an artist/creative person, so by default, I am already f~~~ed. I want to make films, be in a metal band, and get some of my creative stories published.
I understand we all have to work to ‘pay the bills’ blah blah blah, but f~~~…i had no idea id end up like this in my 30s. My generation was f~~~ing robbed anyway, lied to, bulls~~~ted etc etc.
Anyway man, i hope it works out for you i really do.
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