Retail is in trouble.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

‘Retail Apocalypse’ Causing More Than 3,500 Stores to Close: What You’re Not Being Told

Any thoughts?
I think people don’t have the money to support them.

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[Anonymous 1]

I wonder how much of this is due to Amazon and their ability to ship their goods very cheaply. Amazon shipping is Subsidized by US taxpayers. That is why they can ship things cheaper than it would be for you to drive to Toys’R’Us. The other implication would be that the Economy is contracting and consumers are feeling the pinch. People do not have as much disposable income as they did in the 80’s and 90’s when these Retail giants were kicking ass.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Retail shopping is a PAIN in the ASS !!

Online, I have multiple options available to me, often times reviews as well, and I can have it delivered to my front door usually at very low or no shipping costs.

Lately, I was pricing a home project that costs about $2,000. I went to my local lumber yard, maybe about 6 different outlets, and they were very helpful, but they were not able to get me the price of the 2 major components needed for the project as there supplier was closed at this time.

So, they were supposed to call me back with the prices and leave me a message. They called back, and told me to call them back to “go over the Quote”. Well that was Friday afternoon, and I didn’t have the time/concern to play these phone games.

I went online about 5AM Saturday Moning, and ordered all the same crap from my big box store. DONE……..

So

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[CoolbreezeParticipant 442]

People are staying home
Larger selection of goods in the e marketplace
Goods are not charged the same overhead for being warehoused instead of stocked on a retail shelf

The only way a retail store can justify existing anymore is by providing a high level of customer service. It’s sink or swim.

[StealthParticipant 5347]

Retail has been hit since 2008, but yes closing physical stores is designed on part of the retailers to save overhead costs.

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[743 roadmasterParticipant]

It is going to get nasty before it is all said and done. On line vs B&M. Being able to check prices across a wide range of stores. I got the feeling when it is done the only thing left is going to be Food, some mom and pop that own the store and can offer at the same price as on line. Wal Mart, perhaps Target.

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[OldBillParticipant]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Any thoughts?

Retail isn’t in trouble as much as a certain type of retail is in trouble. The click bait headline suggests one thing, while the article itself explains another. About 3500 stores and restaurants of a certain type will close these year, while more than 4000 stores and restaurants of another type will open.

I think people don’t have the money to support them.

And that’s the point of the article. Look at Gap for example.

It’s closing 200 Gap and Banana Republic stores while opening 270 Old Navy stores. The reason? Prices. The clothes at Gap and Banana Republic are more expensive.

People are “re-indexing” their discretionary income purchases. Starbucks had a tea shop subsidiary which made sense when people spent more. It make little sense now – especially when you could always get tea at Starbucks – so those locations will be closed. We’re mostly watching “higher” end retailers close up while “middle” and “low” end retailers expand.

Adding to the list are the failing malls, done in tax breaks running out, the demise of general purpose retail stores which were their anchors, and increasing troubles with flash mobs of teenagers.

Also on the list are the zombies like Sears, Kmart, and Radio Shack. Sears has been dead since the 80s when it failed to transition. As for Radio Shack, while it may return to it’s hobby shop roots it doesn’t need the number of stores it has.

Finally there are retailers like CVS who deliberately over-expanded while fighting for market share. CVS opened stores it knew it would close in a few years just to drive independents and other chains out of business.

So it’s not an apocalypse as much as it is normal evolution. What shoppers want and need has changed and the retail landscape is changing with it.

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[GregB0Participant]

Anonymous wrote:

I wonder how much of this is due to Amazon and their ability to ship their goods very cheaply.

Amazon, walMart, etc. on-line with free shipping, or ship to store has indeed had a significant impact on local or regional store chains.

Awakened wrote:

Online, I have multiple options available to me, often times reviews as well, and I can have it delivered to my front door usually at very low or no shipping costs.

And this variety at a discounted price is a huge option that regional stores will never be able to overcome.

Coolbreeze wrote:

Larger selection of goods in the e marketplace

Exactly, when you do not travel, you tend to use the ability to buy on line to get all your goods from online, instead of traveling throughout the city to make your purchases. The day of shopping is over.

Stealth wrote:

closing physical stores is designed on part of the retailers to save overhead costs.

Yes and then open other stores where demographics show an opportunity to exploit a new market.

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“However, when compared with income growth over the same period we can see that a much higher percentage of consumers cannot keep up with inflation, thus are shopping more at lower cost retailers and less at higher image/brand stores.
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[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

Soon there will only be Amazon, and Wal-Mart supercenters. It’s just the way of the free market. Efficiency is king. Especially when avoiding taxation and retail overhead costs.

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[OldBillParticipant]

narrow road traveler wrote:

Soon there will only be Amazon, and Wal-Mart supercenters. Efficiency is king.

Amazon operates under a USPS subsidy amounting to roughly $1.80 for every package shipped. That’s not “efficiency”, that’s corporate welfare.

Wal-Mart is retrenching and faces constant pressure from specialized competitors who only have to concentrate on doing one thing well instead of everything mediocre. The Wal-Marts in my area, for example, rarely if ever beat grocery prices at nearby supermarkets. The only time I pick up basic groceries at Wal-Mart is when I was going there for something else.

I’m fortunate for living in a fairly populated region because I’ve a selection of stores all competing with each other for my dollars. If I were living in other parts of the US that would not be the case. Very often Wal-Mart is the only option for 50 or even 100 miles so, after deliberately driving out what few competitors previously existed, Wal-Mart enjoys a “physical” monopoly.

That’s not “efficiency” either.

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[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

OldBill wrote:

narrow road traveler wrote:

Soon there will only be Amazon, and Wal-Mart supercenters. Efficiency is king.

Amazon operates under a USPS subsidy amounting to roughly $1.80 for every package shipped. That’s not “efficiency”, that’s corporate welfare.

Wal-Mart is retrenching and faces constant pressure from specialized competitors who only have to concentrate on doing one thing well instead of everything mediocre. The Wal-Marts in my area, for example, rarely if ever beat grocery prices at nearby supermarkets. The only time I pick up basic groceries at Wal-Mart is when I was going there for something else.

I’m fortunate for living in a fairly populated region because I’ve a selection of stores all competing with each other for my dollars. If I were living in other parts of the US that would not be the case. Very often Wal-Mart is the only option for 50 or even 100 miles so, after deliberately driving out what few competitors previously existed, Wal-Mart enjoys a “physical” monopoly.

That’s not “efficiency” either.

No commercial enterprise is perfect. Amazon has a wide variety of vendors who sell through it. If they greased some USPS palms. It’s dirty, though they still do a lot of shipping through UPS.

As for Wal-Mart super centers. The prices are generally on the low side and people get a variety of products at the same location.

I’ll admit I was using hyperbole with those two mega corps. There will always be room for competition. I still stand by the assertion that online shopping has greatly changed the consumer marketplace. Other business models clearly haven’t kept up. Malls all across America are experiencing declining foot traffic.

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[Anonymous 7]

Brick and mortar stores are a f~~~ing PITA and I avoid them.

Recently I bought a new truck and I wanted a rubber mat for the bed. FYI the rubber keeps stuff from sliding around and scratching that paint.

While at the Stealership I price one. Big money + tax for a sheet of 1/8 rubber and they would have to order it. F~~~ that.

Stop by a couple of parts stores on the way home.
None in stock, they would have to order one. Not as expensive as the Stealership but still to much for a rubber mat.

10 minutes online at amazon.
Bingo! more than half off the Stealership price. Got it two days later, delivered to my front door.

[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

Anonymous wrote:

Brick and mortar stores are a f~~~ing PITA and I avoid them.

Recently I bought a new truck and I wanted a rubber mat for the bed. FYI the rubber keeps stuff from sliding around and scratching that paint.

While at the Stealership I price one. Big money + tax for a sheet of 1/8 rubber and they would have to order it. F~~~ that.

Stop by a couple of parts stores on the way home.
None in stock, they would have to order one. Not as expensive as the Stealership but still to much for a rubber mat.

10 minutes online at amazon.
Bingo! more than half off the Stealership price. Got it two days later, delivered to my front door.

New vehicles on average are a debt monster. At least 1/4 of the price is debt service.

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[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22544]

Jean-Jacques Rousseau, “When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.”

The whole plan is so obvious to have the secretly government own only retail company be monopolies to all retail industries and then to boycott and starve the parts of the nation whom dare not to support the globalist anointed political choices for government.

The plan is not going to work for a number of reasons.

[Anonymous 1]

OldBill wrote:

Amazon operates under a USPS subsidy amounting to roughly $1.80 for every package shipped. That’s not “efficiency”, that’s corporate welfare.

Yes, most of these “Successful” large corporations are propped up by Government subsidies. Remember what Rockefeller said “Competition is a Sin.” These powerful corporations secure their market share by gaining unfair advantages. Government subsidies are a big part of guaranteeing corporate supremacy. I remember reading about how GE was actually getting paid by the US taxpayers!!!

This is standard operating procedure for USA for a very long time now. Elon Musk is another one of these “success” stories. Making his living by milking the US taxpayers. Makes me sick when people talk about USA like we have a real functioning economy. We have public private partnerships in this country that guarantee Monopolies for a select few. That is how our economy works here.

[MrMeParticipant 651]

I just don’t buy s~~~ I don’t need.

Retail stores are PACKED with useless stuff.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22544]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, most of these “Successful” large corporations are propped up by Government subsidies.

Due to these, the corporations will die when the government collapses.

Corporate welfare is a fascist system we have lived under for a long time. If you are a conservative and believe this is a capitalist system you are being willfully ignorant.

President Trump would like to get rid of the corporate welfare, this would bankrupt the corporations and be a boon to small businesses.

[Anonymous 7]

narrow road traveler wrote:

New vehicles on average are a debt monster. At least 1/4 of the price is debt service.

Not if you hand them a cashiers check.
My last truck was 14 years old. I did pay it off early.
After I paid off the last one I started paying a truck payment to myself. Granted it was not as much as an actual vehicle loan payment but I did it for about 10 years.

1. It takes away one of the negotiation games that they play. In other words most people bargain on monthly payment and not price.
It use to be that a typical vehicle loan was 5 years. Now, I know people that finance for 6-7 years. F~~~ that.
This type of negotiation takes all the fun out of it.

2. Getting a payment book in the mail just f~~~ing sucks. Kills all the fun out a new vehicle.

3. By making a vehicle payment to your self, you get to put that money into a modest (safe) interest earning account. Not only do you not pay interest, you earn interest.

Now I know I didn’t get the ‘Best Deal Ever!’ they made their money, I am sure. But they didn’t take me to the f~~~ing cleaners either.
It helped that I wanted a style of truck that is no longer popular. i.e nobody wanted it but me.

[FrankOneParticipant 1420]

OldBill: Yes, it is the ‘creative destruction’ of a free market or changing preferences. Businesses that don’t serve modern consumers like K-Mart and Sears shrink, while those that do serve consumer needs, e.g. price, selection, convenience, such as Amazon, expand. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/retail-sales is the plot of interest and it shows little change in TOTAL retail spending. So retail is NOT in trouble. The last time it WAS in trouble was the financial crisis, also clear from plot.

Faust: Government isn’t the entity causing materialism and keeping up with the Jones’s. Admittedly, government contributes at the fringes, but it isn’t sticking a gun to our heads saying ‘go buy the iPhone 8, and BRANDing us with a hot iron so we buy only products from Nike, Apple, P&G, etc. That brainwashing is accomplished through advertising and public education.

Narrow: But is efficiency everything? For example, I never eat at most of the big chain restaurants; I favor the exotic cuisine of Mom & Pop restaurants, especially ethnic ones, on those occasions when I eat out.

[Anonymous 1]

Faust For Science wrote:

Corporate welfare is a fascist system we have lived under for a long time. If you are a conservative and believe this is a capitalist system you are being willfully ignorant.

I know, even back in the early 1900’s the US government started to merge with the top capitalists of that era. That is why you have the Rockefeller Foundation creating the Board of Education. The Federal Reserve was another creation of the so called capitalists. That is what they call a “Private-Public Partnership” also known as Fascism.

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