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From their prescious handbags from Micheal Kors, to their stupid outfits from bebe, the ending result industry is dying.
Women dominant, retail employment, and make up 70% of the consumers, cant keep it a float.
Because either:
1. Amazon (i believe its going to be like Apple, pride comes before the fall)
2. C~~~s are broke, and max out, and unable to find simps to fund their lives. (23906 mgtow menbers × $44569 avg income in usa = $1.069 billion dollars give or take +/- child support/alimony) thats just our site alone!3. C~~~s are using their loans on plastic surgery which becoming another stupid and pointless trend. That will end badly.
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Anonymous3Eh not really. Most of those stores are department stores and clothing stores. Amazon and other online retailers picked up the slack.
It’s a much better delivery model. The old model only made sense before there was an internet and smoother delivery systems in place. It makes no sense now to have a limited selection for physical products and only sell that.
Even Walmart has started moving more online as well.
The selection is generally speaking going to be better, with better price comparison.
Retail is essentially the same. If you don’t own Amazon stock maybe you don’t think so, but Amazon and Transports have been an easy play for quite awhile now, and Transports have historically been a measure of economic strength.
Recession ended back in 2009, we’re probably due for another one soon, but it’s been 8 years of massive gains and recovery. So even a drop won’t mean much right now. Really it’s business as usual.
I don’t see this collapse that unemployed people are always talking about (not saying you’re unemployed, but that’s where it usually comes from).
Anonymous14Eh not really. Most of those stores are department stores and clothing stores. Amazon and other online retailers picked up the slack.
It’s a much better delivery model. The old model only made sense before there was an internet and smoother delivery systems in place. It makes no sense now to have a limited selection for physical products and only sell that.
Even Walmart has started moving more online as well.
The selection is generally speaking going to be better, with better price comparison.
Retail is essentially the same. If you don’t own Amazon stock maybe you don’t think so, but Amazon and Transports have been an easy play for quite awhile now, and Transports have historically been a measure of economic strength.
Recession ended back in 2009, we’re probably due for another one soon, but it’s been 8 years of massive gains and recovery. So even a drop won’t mean much right now. Really it’s business as usual.
I don’t see this collapse that unemployed people are always talking about (not saying you’re unemployed, but that’s where it usually comes from).
Maybe all true, but if it keeps going in this direction of retailers doing more and more business online as well as automation we have been talking about recently, there will be less and less jobs… So, it is inevitable that things will not only continue to decline for the masses, but the rate of decline will accelerate as well.
Don’t care lol.
And what scares me is I don’t care that I don’t care.
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They keep eliminating jobs everywhere without thinking about where their customers will come from. Who are they going to sell to when 80% of the world’s population will be unemployed ?
I read that in ten years – very conservative figure – 3.5 billion people will be out of a job because of advances in technology. And there’s nothing to replace those jobs. That, if anything, will collapse their screwed up system while I sip coffee and smoke a joint sitting in front of my large tent in the mountains.
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From their prescious handbags from Micheal Kors, to their stupid outfits from bebe, the ending result industry is dying.
Women dominant, retail employment, and make up 70% of the consumers, cant keep it a float.
Because either:
1. Amazon (i believe its going to be like Apple, pride comes before the fall)
2. C~~~s are broke, and max out, and unable to find simps to fund their lives. (23906 mgtow menbers × $44569 avg income in usa = $1.069 billion dollars give or take +/- child support/alimony) thats just our site alone!3. C~~~s are using their loans on plastic surgery which becoming another stupid and pointless trend. That will end badly.
Do not worry to much about this.
1. Amazon is not the economic juggernaut almost everyone believes that company to be.
The reason Jeff Bezos, the chairman and founder of Amazon, is likely using another company he controls, the Washington Post, to politically attack President Trump is because Mr Bezos realizes how likely fragile his empire is.
Note, I am not sure who at the Washington Post is behind the political attacks on President Trump, but Mr Bezos is has the means and motive.
Amazon uses a model similar to Walmart in they said in bulk. But, Amazon solves its last mile issue by having the subsidized by using the U.S. Postal System and U.S. taxpayers.
Mr Bezos is scared that a business man like President Trump may take a look at the U.S. Postal System and see how Amazon and other companies are taking advantage of the situation and President Trump may have this put to a stop. Large companies get huge discounts on using the U.S. Postal System. If these discounts were removed and there was an increase in shipping for those companies this would likely cause Amazon stocks to crash.
But, with Mr Bezos attempting to buy Whole Foods, he may destroy his own empire. Amazon and other companies are putting a huge strain using the U.S. Postal System. The U.S. Postal System was designed to ship envelope letters, not ship bulk freight at this amount. Mr Bezos is likely planning to use the U.S. Postal System to make Whole Foods go national. But, this added strained on might finally cause the U.S. Postal System to break.
2. So. When the women are not the one’s buying, then stores will be forces to cater more towards men. Simple economics.
3. That and the college loans. But, no men are wanting to marry women because they do not want to get saddled with the woman’s debt. It is getting to wear you have to run a credit check on people.
Anyway, small Mom and Pop stores are making a come back.
This decade long economic depression is finally hurting large companies more than small stores. Those small stores in place have learned to weather the economic depression.
This is because, even though sometimes the Mom and Pop stores are pushed to the limit, most such stores are not heavily in debt. Meanwhile, the large companies are heavily in debt. Even a 1% increase in the interest rate from the Federal Reserve could cause massive bankruptcies of large companies.
1. Amazon is not the economic juggernaut almost everyone believes that company to be.
A 500b market cap with nearly a 200 P/E ratio isn’t somewhere I want to put my money. In order for its P/E to come back down to reality it needs to increase its earnings by tenfold or have a collapse in share price.
They are already a f~~~ing huge company…I don’t see where they are going to increase earnings 10x without jacking up prices which leads to people looking for cheaper alternatives. The high P/E’s are for small companies with lot of growth potential…we aren’t going to see a 500b company turn into a 5 trillion dollar company in the next decade unless we have hyperinflation and the valuation of everything sky rockets.
AMZN will be going down with TSLA(ironically who is also heavily subsidized by the government) when the current tech bubble goes.
1. Amazon is not the economic juggernaut almost everyone believes that company to be.
A 500b market cap with nearly a 200 P/E ratio isn’t somewhere I want to put my money. In order for its P/E to come back down to reality it needs to increase its earnings by tenfold or have a collapse in share price.
They are already a f~~~ing huge company…I don’t see where they are going to increase earnings 10x without jacking up prices which leads to people looking for cheaper alternatives. The high P/E’s are for small companies with lot of growth potential…we aren’t going to see a 500b company turn into a 5 trillion dollar company in the next decade unless we have hyperinflation and the valuation of everything sky rockets.
AMZN will be going down with TSLA(ironically who is also heavily subsidized by the government) when the current tech bubble goes.
Thank you for pointing that out.
Without an internal shipping system and store fronts for their products, Amazon faces constant risk of major bottleneck issues. Even Walmart has a fleet of trucks the company uses to move their freight to their stores.
The point is, those at Amazon knows about these issues. It looks like Amazon is trying to solve some last mile issues with their drone shipping project. But, since I have not heard much about that in the last few months, I am guessing that project is not working the way Amazon hoped it would.
A 500b market cap with nearly a 200 P/E ratio isn’t somewhere I want to put my money.
Beat me to it. The only people Amazon has made money for are those who were in on the IPO.
When those USPS rates get adjusted – and they will – Amazon is going to start puking up blood. Drone deliveries won’t save them either.
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A 500b market cap with nearly a 200 P/E ratio isn’t somewhere I want to put my money.
Beat me to it. The only people Amazon has made money for are those who were in on the IPO.
When those USPS rates get adjusted – and they will – Amazon is going to start puking up blood. Drone deliveries won’t save them either.
The irony is Amazon is not that bad a business model. It is just not a good business model. When those shipping rates are readjusted, Amazon may lose around 30% of their customer base, but the company will likely retain a large enough customer base to continue to do business. The problem is that between the shipping rate increase and the lose of customers, Amazon’s stock may drop down into the basement.
The sad part about all this is those in Amazon and other companies whom oppose President Trump are doing so out of spite. The reason this is out of spite and not another reason is that if they support President Trump’s tax reforms, the shipping increase would be offset greatly by their customer base having more income which could keep the large companies afloat and in some cases increase revenue to those companies.
Anonymous3My view is that any company dealing with physical products is seen as an having “outdated business model”.
Everything now is a financial operation. It appears that big companies are in the business of fooling investors and making a kill at the stock market.
Playing and creating money out of thin air is the new way to get rich (probably the only one now). And we are at the point where the financial sector is now worth several times all the physical wealth in the world.
That alone explains why few operations make sense, why people are unemployed, and why industry is disappearing.
The irony is Amazon is not that bad a business model. It is just not a good business model.
The Amazon business “model” is just an on-line version of the Sears catalog business model from over a century ago. Bezos merely updated a model which already existed and had, in it’s time, flourished.
For about a quarter century before and after 1900, the Sears “Wishbook” was shopping for anyone in rural America. During the period, a majority of the population was rural, rural market towns were small, and the stores there had limited stock. Sears’ catalog offered literally anything with goods ranging from socks to livestock to windmills to kit houses. With the postal service and railroads linking everyone, a catalog which sold anything by mail and then delivered by railroad couldn’t fail.
Like Amazon, Sears’ sales volume meant it could negotiate deals with private shippers. Unlike Amazon, Sears didn’t have loopholes to abuse in federal postal rates.
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Anonymous54I remember the Sears catalog.
Im officialy old.
A significant fraction of the population lives hand-to-mouth, paycheck-to-paycheck, whatever you want to call it. Retail has really been fairly FLAT https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/retail-sales except for the Great Recession — it certainly varies a couple percent year-over-year, mostly with consumer confidence levels. But plot it over 20 years — pretty flat with 1 or 2% growth per annum.
Retail isn’t dead; stores that don’t meet customer demand are dieing (K-Mart, Sears, etc). Sometimes the company’s debt also enters into it (K-Mart). Women didn’t kill retail; hell, they’re responsible for approximately 80% of consumer spending.
The fraction of the population that adopts the ‘minimalist’ lifestyle is ‘minimal’. I’ve been living a somewhat minimal lifestyle since my early 20’s; I’m nearly 50 now. Avoiding spending money you don’t have on s~~~ you don’t need to impress people who don’t give a s~~~ about you? That’s called the American Way.
Will the shift in retail kill jobs? I question that. Amazon has over 340,000 employees. It ships about 30% of orders with UPS, about 40% USPS, and the remaining 30% using others such as FedEx or its own delivery trucks.
Amazon won’t ‘puke up blood’ when USPS rates go up, deliveries will just shift to the other carriers. Amazon negotiates rates. They have a ‘negotiated service agreement’ with USPS. They have sufficient clout they’ve even been able to negotiate for Sunday deliveries… Part of the reason they can negotiate this is because they operate sorting centers and make it VERY efficient to USPS to deliver their packages AND because of their volume.
The idea that the only people who made money on Amazon were in on the IPO? In the 2000’s, it was one HUNDREDTH of its current price. True, the P/E is dangerously high. I thought it was a great stock at 500, and I bought lots of it then… At 1,000, I’ll admit, I wouldn’t buy any MORE of it, though.
Amazon won’t ‘puke up blood’ when USPS rates go up…
Amazon’s stock will crater when the USPS rate loopholes get closed. While Amazon will negotiate rate breaks with other carriers and for the reasons you cite, Amazon will still be paying more for shipping overall because the federal government will no longer be subsidizing Amazon’s deliveries at one remove via the USPS.
UPS, DHL, FedEx and all the rest are not going to match the current USPS rates because they’re not subsidized by the Feds.
As you admit, it’s P/E is insanely high and it’s current stock price cannot be justified. If shipping costs rise, the stock price will fall and, once the price falls, the long overdue correction will occur. Even a 10 to 15 percent correction will have a huge effect because of how much of it’s own stock Amazon uses for collateral. With it’s collateral worth less, Amazon will have to pay more and that will squeeze it’s already thin operating margin.
As the stock drops, people are going to sell which will force the price even lower. With a 200 P/E, no one hangs onto Amazon for the dividends. Instead, people hold onto it in the hopes that the price will rise. Stop loss orders and automated trading will dump shares too.
Amazon is like a guy running down a steep hill at full speed. One misplaced footfall and it’s all over.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
2. C~~~s are broke, and max out, and unable to find simps to fund their lives. (23906 mgtow menbers × $44569 avg income in usa = $1.069 billion dollars give or take +/- child support/alimony) thats just our site alone!
Very much this. Retail industry and credit agencies catered to women shoppers and are now getting burned relying on them and put them in tons of debt with their card and credit agencies. Catering to men customers was too taboo, most of the s~~~ I want to buy is online, and now its going to cost them.
USPS is not subsidized in any way by US tax dollars and, in fact, is prepared to benefit from Amazon and other companies using them for last mile delivery. I work for the USPS and that’s all I hear about from upper management. The only subsidy they get is reimbursement for Congressional Franking privileges and free matter for the blind.
The big issue I have with Amazon, Bezos, and the Washington Post, et al., is that they have a $600 Million dollar computer contract with the CIA (conflict of interest) and are dead set on undermining President Trump at every opportunity.The malls are closing? Meh. I buy almost everything online as it is and I only go to the mall to support the few stores and people that I actually care about.
EDIT: In fact, this might be a good thing. The new stores that pop up will most likely sell things that people need as it pertains to today. After all, you see which ones are getting wrecked right now? Yep. Fashion stores. Damn near everyone of them deals in clothes with the most notable exception being Radio Shack. We’ll keep an eye out to see what forms in the dust of the old stores’ passing.
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Retail is essentially the same. If you don’t own Amazon stock maybe you don’t think so, but Amazon and Transports have been an easy play for quite awhile now, and Transports have historically been a measure of economic strength.
Recession ended back in 2009, we’re probably due for another one soon, but it’s been 8 years of massive gains and recovery. So even a drop won’t mean much right now. Really it’s business as usual.
I don’t see this collapse that unemployed people are always talking about (not saying you’re unemployed, but that’s where it usually comes from).
Cuts costs and in the end consumers win which is a win in my book. That’s just how things work. Ask the Carriage Driver how business is now that Automobiles have been invented.
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Consumerism financed by ever increasing household debt has fueled the past incredible growth seen in the retail sector. Once a family’s debt is 4X the amount that can ever be repaid, the sector begins its unwinding.
How much sense is there in purchasing goods having a short-term life by using revolving debt ? Spending future income for today’s consumables ?
At least debt tied to longer life assets makes some sense.
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