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I have been visiting your site for some time and consider it an obligation to introduce myself in light of the many insights derived from your site, Dalrock’s and others. I have inculcated some of these into my daily life resulting in more acute observations and actual positive results. I hope to contribute in some small way as repayment for the wisdom that can be gleaned from this site.
I am a sixty year old single man. My wife of almost twenty five years moved out about five years ago and eventually divorced me (to be fair, the divorce was financially fair). I, in my “blue pill” days actually helped her move out and let her borrow money to get an apartment !!! How ignorant I was. Consequently, I had hoped that she would see the error of her ways. There had been an inkling of her return until she met somebody else about two years later (being Catholic, I was committed to making the marriage work for my Faith and for my twenty three year old daughter). During this four year period, I became accustomed to living by myself for the second time in my life (the first time lasted only 18 months) having either roommates, girlfriends or wife. And I came to be content in it.
Once I realized my wife was not coming back, I met another woman whom I have been dating for two and one half years. She is fifty years old. She currently rents from me in a two story home in the same neighborhood in which I reside that I purchased about 18 months ago.
During this period of time, thanks to sites like yours and others, I have learned two extremely valuable lessons which can be summed up thusly: Being single is not a barrier to contentment. And if my girlfriend does not Go My Own Way then I will Go My Own Way alone.
Having a love for philosophy, I realize that one might object that I am not truly a MGTOW. I would argue against this because many on this site still sleep with woman and still consider themselves MGTOW. I have a good relationship with this woman without the sex. There have been instances of sin but have confessed to a priest and attempt to continue on a more platonic relationship which is quite fruitful and intellectually fulfilling. She is my best friend. And yes, I have many close male friendships with some spanning over twenty years so this relationship is not a remedy for loneliness. However, as one enlightened commenter stated, I will go my own way and the woman either chooses to come along with me or choose her own path….without me.
What I find fascinating about MGTOW philosophy is that it is assumed to be a new phenomena. This goes against historical and religious evidence.
Being single for life or choosing to become single after the first marriage because of the death of one spouse throughout history, was an admirable vocation especially in Buddhism and Christianity which spans 4500 years if calculated as separate cultural influences which and spans most of the planet. However, in this sex saturated culture, the MGTOW philosophy seems almost alien (and therefore hated and despised beyond reason, history, religion, science etc). Having a library of over fifteen hundred books pertaining to philosophy, ancient literature, science, religion and history, I find it amazing that the overwhelming legitimacy of MGTOW philosophy, properly understood, justified by all types of knowledge would be seen as something foreign, inhuman or new!!
In addition, being Catholic, which legitimizes the divine nature of singlehood in the priesthood because of Jesus Christ, the philosophy of singlehood does NOT go against our natures and the Divine Will.
Will I get married? Due to the irrationality of justice system (I have a good friend who went through hell for over FOUR YEARS because of a lying ex-wife who was supported by the clearly unjust social service system resulting some counselors eventually being fired!!), I will probably not marry legally but will marry in the Church.
Sadly, I have some good and decent Christian men who are “blue pill” trying to please their discontented wives. Even before being exposed to men’s movement sites, I told my ex-wife that I am not the source of her discontent. Only one of my many friends who are married is the dominant one but it is not easy for him considering he is in serious pain from polio. He is a saint. The other marriages are embarrassingly dysfunctional. One of my friends of over twenty years severed our relationship due in large part because of the wife’s hatred for me. There is a real spiritual battle going on. No doubt.
Of course, some of the women (supposedly Christian) dislike me immensely because I do not submit to their irrationality. It is simultaneously sad and funny to see the intense rage some of them have for me when I challenge them!!!!
God bless, Michael

Anonymous3Welcome!
No, the idea of MGTOW is not completely new, as there were people like this before.
You wrote that you might marry in the church, I think if you choose the wrong women, you still might have legal problems. As far as I noticed, there are countries, where a simple cohabiting counts as marriage after some years. And someone “lawyered up” can show the evidence on that church marriage to the court. So i do not think you will be safe, (but i am not a lawyer.)
And, you are very lucky that your marriage lasted that long, and that you were not brought to the cleaners, but (as me reading the stuff in forums) going through hell is more typical.hey goodkid, welcome..if you have been reading here a while, then ..
you know this is a real truth telling forum..
not many rules,or i wouldn’t be here.
i hope your not easily offended.
enjoy being here brother-man.
partake as you wish of the freedom of going your own way.
cheers to you !Welcome and as been said … look up the cohabitation laws in your area.
Then AVOID THEM or you will find yourself already married.
Nice apartment she’s renting from you?
In your name is it?
Maybe it would look better on her.
One of my GREAT FRIENDS stole the love of my life once.
Be careful …. cover your back.
Women are masters … MASTERS .. at man-ipulation.
Bigger men than you have been brought to their knees.
Peace

Anonymous0Welcome Goodkid,
I’m 63 y.O.and MGTOW after the death of my second wife. When I started dating, a couple years after she died, I found that women were all lying, cheating, hypergamous creatures and now can not bring myself to trust any of them. Be careful. Do not be mislead. They do not have your best interest in mind.Welcome!
Ditto what ILiveAgain wrote. Heed him and heed the others too.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

Anonymous42What I find fascinating about MGTOW philosophy is that it is assumed to be a new phenomena. This goes against historical and religious evidence.
Welcome Michael, with the most substantial power shift (over to women)ever seen in the history of mankind “EVER”!!! What we’re witnessing is not only a phenomena, it’s EPIC in every way, shape, and form! Men of all ages, races, and nationalities from rags to riches are simultaneously and independently walking away from women and society in multiple multi million droves!
Why?
Because; the most toxic form of woman ever to walk the earth, of all ages, races, and nationalities from rags to riches, are among us in MULTIPLE MULTI MILLION DROVES!
Will I get married? Due to the irrationality of justice system
The justice system is now stacked with anti male, pro female laws and mandates that hold men accountable to female insanity!
A women always has an iron clad alibi that gives her entitlements over a man, she gets a heated apartment, food, and medical coverage, FOR LIFE!A man is handed the bill, shammed, made homeless, and eventually criminalized!
Oh, but don’t worry, eventually he gets a heated living space, food, sometimes medical, from the confines of his court mandated home, the county f~~~ing JAIL!There is a real spiritual battle going on. No doubt.
The battle only rages for those stupid enough like you and others to be attached (in any way shape or form) to the front line soldiers of darkness, THE MODERN WOMAN!
Blood sucking Womb-bats! Every damn one of them!
For your sake; I hope you have plenty of blood!-1
Greetings GoodKid43.
Welcome to the MGTOW forums. Your account of your situation and spiritual live is appreciated.
It is good to have a place where men can discuss things that matter. And having a map of the minefields that we are walking into is a blessing.
Here is a tip: MGTOW’s generally object to others being willfully ignorant of Women’s Nature, asserting NAWALT, and encouraging the belief in “Unicorns” which you have not done in your introduction.
You are candid and have acknowledged the minefields while being open to learning more about them, so you will get no objections here.
My MGTOW brothers have done a fine job of respectfully exposing the hazards of your situation which you already seem to be aware of.
The peace and tranquility that results from MGTOW creates a rich spiritual life. You are not alone.
Your historical view of MGTOW is thought-provoking. My own historical inquiry has lead me to conclude that our modern re-branded situation with rampant Female Nature has happened before. I suspect that it is the precursor for the death of a civilization.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?
Welcome. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
Thanks for all the responses including the encouragement, warnings and accountability. Just wanted to free myself from the obligation to this site in light of the wisdom found here. My confidence has increased and I have acquired a certainty in regards to proper behavior in the relationship with my girlfriend that is consistent with my Faith. The fear of being single is no more!!!
LIFE IS GOOD!!!!!!
God bless, Michael
One of the heart warming attributes of this site is this: MG tower calls me stupid but I do not take it personal but react with appreciation and consider it an admonition to consider my actions seriously. Any other site there would be flames of hatred. Not so here. Again, the underlying consideration and honesty is a breath of fresh air.
God bless, MichaelWelcome to MGTOW Michael.
I’m 55, so it will be a pleasure to read posts from a brother of the same “vintage”.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
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