Realisations about family…

[ArcturisParticipant 2819]

Hey Guys;

So, the more I open my eyes to the truth…the more I don’t want ANYTHING to do with women.

I was never one fed the Disney love story, but I’ve always thought I wanted kids.

Now I can’t see a future with women at all and it seems I need to avoid this at all costs.

How did you guys cope with this sudden realisation? – It’s very conflicting for me at the moment, but logically I don’t think I could ever do it now…

Look forward to your replies.

Protect Your Sovereignty. Women WILL TRY To Manipulate You. #NOCONTACT #ICETHEMOUT

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Once I realized that your genetics become diluted after 2 generations the “legacy” myth became a joke leaving me with no desire to procreate. As we stand today kids are just backdoor alimony for women and the state (18 years of child support)so they won’t be yours anyways. Go Your Own Way.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[sidecarParticipant 35851]

Arcturis wrote:

Now I can’t see a future with women at all and it seems I need to avoid this at all costs.

It depends on what you mean by “with” women.

If you mean being in a so-called “relationship” with a woman, of course that’s not in your future. But you have to realize something about that:

It never was.

Because you can’t have what doesn’t exist.

Your concept of what a “relationship” is, of being “with” a woman, is not the same as hers. In fact her concept of a relationship barely qualifies as one, unless ATMs and plowhorses are somehow relationship material, because that’s all she really sees you as. Sure she might wrap that up in flowery, romantic language, but what it all boils down to is this: you are nothing more than a source of wealth and labor to her. So your concept of a relationship is a myth and a lie. But her concept of a relationship is very real, and enforced by societal convention and force of law upon you should you foolishly agree to it.

So refuse it.

It’s all a bait and switch scam. Once you see the scam for what it is, it’s easy to walk away from it.

Or flip the script right back on them. Because once you stop playing their game, they start playing yours.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

1) people have kids for simple ego. The idea of inmortality, the women “desire” to be a mother. World is f~~~ed up, why wold you want to bring a kid to this s~~~ hole?

2)it is a trap, here in Europe for example, why do you have kids? You spend a lot of money on a bitch, and a kid that you don’t even know if it is your, you have no rights or control over, and when you are old they will put you in a nursing home anyway, get your money and choose the best nursing home you can pay.

3) what does even family means? That s~~~ is been dead since the nineties.

4) don’t you have your own problems to worry about, why put more s~~~ in your life?

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 42]

You’re suffering from intellect over emotion, logic over desire.

Welcome to the paradigm mankind never saw coming with the advent of feminism and gynocentrism.

You’re beginning to see the light and adjusting yourself accordingly.

It only gets better!

[ArcturisParticipant 2819]

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

As we stand today kids are just backdoor alimony for women

I was about to disagree with this…but the more I re-read it I suppose that’s just how it will end up if/ when it goes pear shaped. The disagreement wasn’t with the alimony but the value a child can bring to a man?

Raising my own child has been something I’ve always thought would happen. Being able to teach, love, grow and develop with MY child is something previously very appealing for me.

Ironically though, as I type this, I don’t know why I think children would be the best way to do this. There’s plenty of other options I suppose…

I have a great relationship with my Dad now. My parents split just before I was born and my dad paid CS for all my life. At 16 I chose to live with him and he’s my greatest role model. I guess I wanted to do and provide the same for my own.

Anonymous wrote:

You’re suffering from intellect over emotion, logic over desire.

Very much so. As I said, I’ve always had some inclination towards what I mentioned above. HOWEVER, as my eyes open I’m struggling to see a compromise.

I guess the answer is there isn’t one? You either live free and refuse any type of LTR or you surrender to women and start a blue pilled life with child?. Then live in hope you can get back out with MINIMAL financial & emotional loss. Gosh…

..Interesting.

– Appreciate your comments, thank you.

Protect Your Sovereignty. Women WILL TRY To Manipulate You. #NOCONTACT #ICETHEMOUT

[joetechParticipant]

I was in my late 50’s when MGTOW arrived. That’s way too late to keep me from becoming an ATM to mommy dearest, or getting involved in the relations~~~ I was in when I found this site. I lived the lie, got burned, and moved on. If I were a young man today and I wanted to raise a son or daughter, I’d go to a private adoption service. They’re expensive, I’ve read, but private agencies would be the best way to go, I think. The state agencies will try to get you into the foster care program with no intention of adopting out a child to a working couple or a single man. My ex and I tried this in La La Fornia (California). After researching adoption and how expensive it can be, you may just want to buy some mutual funds instead. You could always get involved in programs like Big Brother and mentor young boys.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[TwistParticipant]

Arcturis wrote:

I was about to disagree with this

Do so only at your own peril. Truth hurts, but you are reading it here. They will/would NEVER be your children. That’s just not allowed.

[MonkParticipant 17049]

Arcturis wrote:

… but I’ve always thought I wanted kids.

You might want children, but they will always be HERS, rather than yours.

Never forget that.

[Anonymous 3]

Let me put it this way: your kid?
Only 50% of the genetic material is yours, and the expression of this genetics is random.
You might end up with a clone of the women, and wonder where did your genes go…

Even if you are allowed to be part of your kid’s life, your wife will have a word about it. You will have to witness as she screws up his education in front of your eyes.
Good luck in arguing against it…

I had the stupid notion that the consequences on one kid would make her see the light… How naive… Women do not operate under logic or outcomes, just on what they want.

So, you will end up with a choice: either you evict the mother or she will mess the kid. And evicting the mother WILL MESS THE KID, plus your own life.

Dont you want what is best for your kid? So, you sacrifice your self for his sake.

Congratulations, now you have an hostage and a gun on your head.

And in the end you expect someone that is like you, that will respect you, look up to you, and thrive in life.

By pure chance, genetics, parental alienation or messed up education, you might end up with a guy that hates your guts, despises you, wants nothing in life or simply does not share your goals and tastes.

The ideal son in your head is you. Yet he will be another person. His own person.

[xanthineParticipant 4903]

The problem with having a kid is that the woman can rip the kid away from you and collect child support payments from you for 18 years. You will pay HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars. Say it with me now. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. For a kid you will not be allowed to see or raise. Ask any of the guys here who have kids if i am exaggerating.

Do you want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to a woman who hates you? Do you want her to bring an innocent life into this world that is your child, only for the sole purpose of hurting you and extracting your resources? Do you want your child to be poisoned against you and conditioned to hate you? Do you want your child to grow up damaged and without a future because of the p~~~ poor job your ex does raising them? Single mothers in general are terrible parents.

If you read all the questions above and answer yes, perhaps having kids with a western woman is for you. There is a very high probability that these things will happen to you if you do.

Or, you can go your own way, save all your money, retire young and wealthy, and never allow a female parasite to live off your decades of hard work. Not a hard choice, in my opinion. But it will take some time to recover from the realization that these are your only options as a man in western society today. Thats why this forum exists.

[DeadhoodParticipant 155]

I don’t really care whether or not I have kids, but I don’t want to be a living atm machine so I’ll probably pass.The only female relationship that’s arguably sincere is from family

[sjt1975Participant 2536]

Monk wrote:

Arcturis wrote:

[…] but I’ve always thought I wanted kids.

You might want children, but they will always be HERS, rather than YOURS.

Never forget that.

This is the key take-away about children, in this modern gyno-centric society. Fathers hardly have any rights (of access) to their children nowadays, when they get divorced. It is extremely sad and the men on the Forums here have numerous stories to tell about it.

[ArcturisParticipant 2819]

Hmm, very insightful, thank you.

What a f~~~ed up world. hah.

xanthine wrote:

Do you want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to a woman who hates you? Do you want her to bring an innocent life into this world that is your child, only for the sole purpose of hurting you and extracting your resources?

sjt1975 wrote:

This is the key take-away about children, in this modern gyno-centric society.

Monk wrote:

You might want children, but they will always be HERS, rather than yours.

Never forget that.

Protect Your Sovereignty. Women WILL TRY To Manipulate You. #NOCONTACT #ICETHEMOUT

[joetechParticipant]

If you long for the pitter patter of little feet, get a dog. It’s cheaper, and you get more feet.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Anonymous 43]

my children are lost to me.

I am compelled to pay $500 a month to stay out of jail.
I hold onto some hope that my children will find me. a small hope. I have accepted that I may never see them ever again.

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

I hold onto some hope that my children will find me. a small hope. I have accepted that I may never see them ever again.

If I remember correctly, you where a stay-at-home dad. The primary care giver. The one that sacrificed his career for family.
Obviously you should have full custody, child support from the wife, and alimony.

No? Double standards? I am shocked!

[sidecarParticipant 35851]

Arcturis wrote:

Raising my own child has been something I’ve always thought would happen. Being able to teach, love, grow and develop with MY child is something previously very appealing for me.

That’s just bait.

Child support and alimony are the switch.

You cannot have children. Not really. Because they are never your children. they are her children. They are the “village’s” children. They are the state’s children. They are never your children. Any time that you get to attempt to raise them is only at the immediately revocable pleasure of the woman, “village”, community, and state.

All you actually get is the bill. That’s most definitely still yours.

Why want what you can’t have?

That being said, now that children are off the table, and they are very definitely off the table, women (and the community etc.) have nothing else to offer you. You are a man. Outside of reproduction (which is not an option any more), you are completely self sufficient. You don’t need women (or the community etc.) for anything. They need you, but you don’t need them.

So why would you give a f~~~ what women (or the community etc.) want? Do whatever you want, and f~~~ their worthless opinions. And if they want something from you, well then they’re going to have to EARN your consideration.

And that is their problem, not yours.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

sidecar wrote:

Arcturis wrote:

Raising my own child has been something I’ve always thought would happen. Being able to teach, love, grow and develop with MY child is something previously very appealing for me.

That’s just bait.

Child support and alimony are the switch.

You cannot have children. Not really. Because they are never your children. they are her children. They are the “village’s” children. They are the state’s children. They are never your children. Any time that you get to attempt to raise them is only at the immediately revocable pleasure of the woman, “village”, community, and state.

All you actually get is the bill. That’s most definitely still yours.

Why want what you can’t have?

That being said, now that children are off the table, and they are very definitely off the table, women (and the community etc.) have nothing else to offer you. You are a man. Outside of reproduction (which is not an option any more), you are completely self sufficient. You don’t need women (or the community etc.) for anything. They need you, but you don’t need them.

So why would you give a f~~~ what women (or the community etc.) want? Do whatever you want, and f~~~ their worthless opinions. And if they want something from you, well then they’re going to have to EARN your consideration.

And that is their problem, not yours.

Sidecar I must say your post are on fire! You just eliminated the last of the 00000000000.1% chance I had left. Being a workhorse for the village will not happen to me!

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

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