Reached that point…..

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

It has taken me awhile but I realize now that there was no returning to the plantation ever if I wanted to keep my sanity. When I first took and digested the red pill I was still playing around with the idea of just hooking up occasionally with women and I was pretty successful at it using online dating. But the more I read in the forums the more videos I watched the more men I talk to the more I realize that there for me is no more contact with females unless I absolutely have to. It is taking me a period of being a monk the last 3 months to realize just how annoying and irritating and useless females are and a lot of males to. I wasn’t sure what was going to happen when I first came to mgtow all I knew was I did not want to feel this way ever again. I thought I had actually been with a narcissist or a psychopath when I realized recently that she was just a woman not any more mental than the rest of them. This was the conundrum 3 months ago 2 be with women even if just to get sex and have to listen to any of their s~~~ or keep my peace of mind. This is no longer a question it is just a statement the less I think about women the more I retain my own peace of mind. How long did it take any of you guys to realize that it wasn’t going to be possible anymore this business of being around women? I wasn’t truly mgtow until I disengaged completely because it was only then that I realized I was just fine on my own I have my dog and that’s all I really need. So yeah just this part of my life is just fine-tuning and figuring out what I want to do well then need to do. I guess I better topic would have been Reinventing yourself. Any thoughts gentlemen

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[HitmanParticipant]

Congratulations are in order to you!
Welcome!

[TuneoutParticipant]

Welcome and I too keep contact or association to a minimum and always casual except for the occasional services of
an escort,still get the female contact with out the female BS.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

That was a great post for me tatt. Mainly because we shared a similar dilemma. I took the red pill last Christmas, went thru my rage and thought it all dissolved.

It didn’t, not because I didn’t believe in this new reality….I do. But because I held on to that foolish illusion that somewhere out there is that unicorn.

In my particular case hanging on to that illusion is still hanging on to a little bit of rage.

To be happy, joyous, and free is to let it all go.
I know I still have some work to do.
Thanks again for the post.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

I have never agreed with the idea of the Unicorn there is no one I repeat no one out there period only after doing a tremendous amount of self-searching I realized that every single woman I have met has been the same way. It’s not good it’s not bad it’s just reality for me. I’m glad this was a good post for you because I think there are a lot of us guys who wish in a way that we could have what we always thought we could but no in our hearts that it ain’t going to happen. We’ll have a beer sometime

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Anonymous 1]

welcome sir.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

Welcome aboard tatt. A lot of us say once you take the red pill you can’t go back to the blue. The truth is something you can’t unlearn. It’s usually when men have time alone, to think things through in a logical manner, that the truth begins to shine through the smoke. Because of our biological desires, we tend to react to them in a biological way, rather than a conscious awareness way. Once you have learned to divert the biological response to women, you are well on your way.

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

I don’t need to drive anymore so I took and Uber up to the store. The driver was a blonde haired blue-eyed female slightly overweight but slightly more than interested in me. I usually get guys my own age as my Uber driver this one was different. So I noticed on my alert that it was a blonde haired woman. Okay big deal. She pulls up and I get in the car and I say let’s go on a beer run! Haha anyway this store is a few blocks away and we get to talking turns out she’s a single mother 30 years old absolutely looking. I tell her that my last ex girlfriend was an Uber driver and that I would never date a woman with children again. I’m not going to raise anybody’s kids I already went through the expense and time of two daughters on my own don’t need anybody else. Anyway this seemed to really p~~~ this woman off she became really hostile and by the time she dropped me off she was clearly angry. Not only did I didn’t make a move I was clearly not interested and that really made her angry. After the ride was over I got out of the car said goodbye shut the door when in my house and had some beer. Such are the stresses of life. It would have been so easy to invite this floozy in to my house but I really didn’t want any complications and I still don’t. I guess I have gone through that transition period. Never thought I would say no

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

TattooDave wrote:

I don’t need to drive anymore so I took and Uber up to the store. The driver was a blonde haired blue-eyed female slightly overweight but slightly more than interested in me. I usually get guys my own age as my Uber driver this one was different. So I noticed on my alert that it was a blonde haired woman. Okay big deal. She pulls up and I get in the car and I say let’s go on a beer run! Haha anyway this store is a few blocks away and we get to talking turns out she’s a single mother 30 years old absolutely looking. I tell her that my last ex girlfriend was an Uber driver and that I would never date a woman with children again. I’m not going to raise anybody’s kids I already went through the expense and time of two daughters on my own don’t need anybody else. Anyway this seemed to really p~~~ this woman off she became really hostile and by the time she dropped me off she was clearly angry. Not only did I didn’t make a move I was clearly not interested and that really made her angry. After the ride was over I got out of the car said goodbye shut the door when in my house and had some beer. Such are the stresses of life. It would have been so easy to invite this floozy in to my house but I really didn’t want any complications and I still don’t. I guess I have gone through that transition period. Never thought I would say no

Hah excellent. Single mothers are very damaged in more than one way. Raising another mans seed isn’t something men ever liked doing to begin with. Somewhere along the way men were conditioned to believe that it’S natural, and it really isnt. Those kids didn’t inherit any genetic traits from you, they inherited another mans genetic traits. Just though thought of raising kids that came from the act of her having sex with another man, is always enough for me to say no.

[Anonymous 3]

Antipathy wrote:

Tattoodave wrote:

I don’t need to drive anymore so I took and Uber up to the store. The driver was a blonde haired blue-eyed female slightly overweight but slightly more than interested in me. I usually get guys my own age as my Uber driver this one was different. So I noticed on my alert that it was a blonde haired woman. Okay big deal. She pulls up and I get in the car and I say let’s go on a beer run! Haha anyway this store is a few blocks away and we get to talking turns out she’s a single mother 30 years old absolutely looking. I tell her that my last ex girlfriend was an Uber driver and that I would never date a woman with children again. I’m not going to raise anybody’s kids I already went through the expense and time of two daughters on my own don’t need anybody else. Anyway this seemed to really p~~~ this woman off she became really hostile and by the time she dropped me off she was clearly angry. Not only did I didn’t make a move I was clearly not interested and that really made her angry. After the ride was over I got out of the car said goodbye shut the door when in my house and had some beer. Such are the stresses of life. It would have been so easy to invite this floozy in to my house but I really didn’t want any complications and I still don’t. I guess I have gone through that transition period. Never thought I would say no

Hah excellent. Single mothers are very damaged in more than one way. Raising another mans seed isn’t something men ever liked doing to begin with. Somewhere along the way men were conditioned to believe that it’S natural, and it really isnt. Those kids didn’t inherit any genetic traits from you, they inherited another mans genetic traits. Just though thought of raising kids that came from the act of her having sex with another man, is always enough for me to say no.

Men in the past were smart enough to only marry young virgins. Men of today like to think it doesn’t matter and they are being progressive or somehow better by not doing so. What they are really being are cucks and losers.

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

In 1979 I met a virgin well you always want to think so right? But I was very clear she had absolutely no sexual knowledge. This was very much problem because being male my sex drive is what up there hers was not at least for me. Today you guys think that meeting a virgin is wonderful thing and it may be but there’s no way that you could meet a virgin and know if she is going to make you happy. I realize it’s quite a conundrum. And somebody else was saying earlier today that it doesn’t make any difference about having kids because that would be the only way that would matter as if it were a pair bonding issues. I don’t have any issue and neither should any of us with pair bonding. The problem is there’s not going to be any way to pair bond with today’s woman. This I found out in 2012. I dated almost 50 women from 2012 until 2015 and I have to say without exception they were all a huge disappointment. So it’s not like I really don’t have much experience because after all like a lot of us I was in a relationship way too long way past the expiration date and way too many times to go back to the plantation

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

Men in the past were smart enough to only marry young virgins. Men of today like to think it doesn’t matter and they are being progressive or somehow better by not doing so. What they are really being are cucks and losers.

Yep. To sum up, men of today lack common sense.

To take on a woman and her kids is a whole new level of stupid.

Unfortunately, most men are either unable or unwilling to think for themselves. They’re taught to resevere judgement and be completely accepting of women regardless of their circumstances.

A foolhardy endeavour with often dire consequences.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

TattooDave wrote:

Anyway this seemed to really p~~~ this woman off she became really hostile and by the time she dropped me off she was clearly angry.

I think it has quite a bit to do with the fact that she pretty much just got told “Your past actions have consequences.” If there is one thing a woman hates, its consequences.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

TattooDave wrote:

How long did it take any of you guys to realize that it wasn’t going to be possible anymore this business of being around women?

I made the critical mistake – for too long – of thinking I screwed up , and shouldered 100% of the burden.

• I didn’t say the right thing.
• I didn’t give the right gift
• I should have been more thoughtful
• I should have brought her flowers more often
• I should have listened more
• I should improve my “game”.
• It’s my fault she cheated.

etc.

You know the deal. We blame ourselves for f~~~ing EVERYTHING and women do it too. If I cheat I;m an asshole who should pay…. but when she cheats , Im the asshole who didn’t take care of her needs.

Then I realized ALL of my positive qualities would always be spun into a negative.

• I wasn’t a “hard worker”…. I was “obsessed with work”.
• I wasn’t “smart”…. I “demeaned her intelligence”.

See the important difference?

If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat-race, you’re a male chauvinist.
If you don’t you’re sexist.

If you stay home and do the housework, you’re a pansy.
If she stays home and do the housework, you’re oppressive.

If you work too hard there is never any time for her.
If you don’t work enough, you’re a good-for-nothing bum.

If she has a boring repetitive job with low pay, its called “exploitation”.
If YOU have a boring repetitive job with low pay…..
you should get off your ass and find something better.

If you get a promotion ahead of her, that is favoritism.
If she gets a job ahead of you, it’s equal opportunity.

If you mention how nice she looks, it’s sexual harassment.
If you keep quiet, it’s male indifference.

If you cry, you’re a wimp.
If you don’t, you’re an insensitive bastard.

If you make a decision without consulting her, you’re a chauvinist.
If she makes a decision without consulting you, she’s a liberated woman.

If you ask her to do something she doesn’t enjoy, that’s domination.
If she asks you, it’s a favor.

If you appreciate the female form and frilly underwear, you’re pervert.
If you don’t, you’re gay.

If you like a woman to shave her legs and keep in shape, you’re sexist.
If you don’t, you’re unromantic.

If you try to keep yourself in shape, you’re vain.
If you don’t, you’re a slob.

If you buy her flowers, you’re after something.
If you don’t, you’re not thoughtful.

If you’re proud of your achievements, you’re full of yourself.
If you’re not, you’re not ambitious.

If she has a headache, she’s tired.
If you have a headache, you don’t love her anymore.

If you want it Too often, you’re oversexed.
If you don’t, there must be someone else.

ALL of my positive qualities would always be spun into a negative.

TattooDave wrote:

How long did it take?

As soon as I realized all of this s~~~, It took about 15 seconds to stop blaming myself for f~~~ing EVERYTHING, rid myself of the baggage I had been carrying and stopped concerning myself with all of it. I was …. “free”.

I was about 38 and I was walking down the street on my way to work on some random Tuesday morning when it hit me. I had a smile on my face for the rest of the day.

It was like someone told me the punchline to a great joke I knew nobody else would get.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

Well Key Master as always your words of wisdom ring true. I know and that is what really spurred my recovery as it were

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

The key to your post when it hit me. It was just a few weeks back for me when I realized I didn’t need anyone but my own self and you guys. Arguably one of the best moments of my life

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[KeymasterKeymaster]

TattooDave wrote:

I didn’t need anyone but my own self and you guys. Arguably one of the best moments of my life

True. I shared my man-piphany with someone I’ve known for a long time. I agree it was arguably one of the best moments of my life too. He didn’t understand. I couldn’t bottle it for him. It really was like hearing the punchline to a great joke nobody else would get.

As men, we are SO duped, ripped-off and sold a bunch of bulls~~~. At first it kinda p~~~ed me off, but then…… for some reason- on that day – I felt like LAUGHING. Because I KNEW.

NOBODY could sell me that blue pill s~~~ anymore.

It used to be:

“You’re such an asshole!!”.
“OMG what did I do? How can I make it up to you??”

…. which then became……

“You’re such an asshole!!”.
“Thank you for noticing!”

I was always kinda “red pill” more than most other guys around me (and aware of reality), but very guilty of slipping into certain blue-pill behaviors – like caring WAY too much.

A “man-piphany” is a jolt of genius that starts at the b~~~~ and proceeds directly to the brain. You can’t give to anyone else – not even as a gift or a favor to them. You have to just arrive there yourself.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

That’s some good s~~~ on the comments. I enjoy the simple things. Just try (thy are to me fully now) to have women be as indistinguishable to your attention as men. You will be shocked by their reaction. Had this wedding party show up at the IN and Out burger…chicks dressed to the hilt. I was minding my own business when I finally noticed this very attractive blond stand right in front of me. It was obvious she was looking for me to check her out. I didn’t even acknowledge her, said excuse me while looking straight into her eyes, got my food and walked out.

Fun. Saves a lot of real time and mental time. Think being able to blow off every stop sign and red light for the rest of your life and being safer for it.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[narwhalParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Men in the past were smart enough to only marry young virgins. Men of today like to think it doesn’t matter and they are being progressive or somehow better by not doing so. What they are really being are cucks and losers.

I don’t think it’s completely a matter of being smart enough, it simply was much less of a viable option. Women simply didn’t have sex out of marriage and were not having kids out of marriage. A man had so many other options to chose from.

And I disagree about men who become fathers to kids that aren’t theirs as losers. I respect they have good intentions, it’s just that you will pay and be resented for doing the job. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. It’s not a thankless job, it’s a job you will be hated for doing.

A mother’s resentment of the man who finances and helps guide her offspring has to be one of the oddest things to witness, let along experience. It’s absolutely mind-boggling.

Ok. Then do it.

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

If you refuse to look at a hottie at the In-N-Out Burger you doing okay too. I just think it’s a central theme that we all adopt at some point if we’re going to stick around. We have to realize every woman has an agenda I mean they’re on this self-realization take every man to the cleaners trip. Just would rather watch the news play video games make a couple of videos here and there and not get doxxed

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

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