Question: How do you describe the ideal woman for a MGTOW?

[porchukParticipant 14]

Hey guys. It is me again. Shortly I am going to talk about myself. Turkic, Tengrist, economically liberal, 27 y.o., not yet MGTOW but totally TRP.

Now I want to expand my question. I know your opinions about women and I agree with the most of them. Because I am TRP, I can understand that it is absolutely about woman nature. But if you would have a magic stick (not talking about the stick on your crotch), how would you guys re-create women and the relationship between men and women? I mean, yes women are bitches. True. Maybe you can not imagine their non-bitch version. But at least can you tell me what kind of society could suppress women’s bitchiness? In what kind of society do you give up to be MGTOW?

I am asking these questions because I am living in a different society and I want to know the views of real MGTOW about optimal women. If you’re offended like feminists from my questions, just please ignore them.

And the last one. I am not a native speaker. So, sorry about my English.

Better regards.

[Anonymous 25]

This one came up recently and ideal women is still this:

I know mgtower had concerns she wouldn’t be safe to give a blowjob, but it’s the safest solution so far. She can’t falsely accuse anyone with that modification and we don’t have to listen to the constant victim whining and inventing oppression.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

If you’re offended like feminists from my questions, just please ignore them.

That’s the second new person in a week who assumes we might be offended by something trivial. The first one got booted for being tuna/mangina, so I’m suspicious.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[MuglintarParticipant 1333]

The ideal Woman for a MGTOW is: non-existing.
MGTOW very essence is to take Sex out of the equotation of how a society should work.
No Man needs a woman to survive or be happy!
Women are entitled to live the very same way!
If a person, of what gender ever, decides to want to share parts of his/her/its life with whomever, then it is solely this persons decision and consequently everything resulting from this decisions is only this persons achievement or obligation!

At the very core, MGTOW is all about freedom, equality and responsibility. And not letting anyone push you to do anything, especially not for others, if the reward you get in return doesn’t match.

You say you live in a different society, I assume you are talking about a society where there are accepted differences between men, women, classes, commonly family is valued very high in such societies. The very basic things are quite common in muslim, hindu or buddhist societies. And there it becomes tricky, you are used to expectations, that validate difference. But MGTOW is all about equality. Any woman does have the right to say or do whatever she wants to, MGTOW just demand the right not to listen. A MGTOW will listen, when whatever is said or done is in line with his own interests. And if not, a MGTOW does not fight, he turns and walks away, respectively refuses to participate.

To answer your question regarding how would MGTOW change women or society? Some concepts are anarchic, some are liberal and some even have socialist tendencies. And again, as MGTOW do recognize every human being as an individual, each and every MGTOW does have his own idea. Yours you will have to find on your own.

I sense an underlying question in your post, if I’m wrong feel free to ignore. “Can one be MGTOW and still be married, respectively want to marry?” – If, so , the answer is yes, if you are aware of common womens intentions, societies expectations and are willing to argue against any oppression. (your wife is sucking your dick if you buy her a nice necklace? – price too high, so she is oppressing you by ripping you off).

"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.

[Anonymous 0]

Nerevar wrote:

That’s the second new person in a week who assumes we might be offended by something trivial. The first one got booted for being tuna/mangina, so I’m suspicious.

Right, same here bro.
…ideal woman for a MGTOW….what a Jokester

[Anonymous 6]

Muglintar wrote:

The ideal Woman for a MGTOW is: non-existing.

^^^ I’m with him.

[WallyParticipant]

Abscence is bliss

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[AkhilleusParticipant 2486]

If bro is from Turkey maybe he just wants to know ? But if you had a chance to scan the forums you would know the mgtow stance but I’ll take the bait and create my magical mystical unicorn for you it’s Friday and I’ll do a free one. Mine is 3 items.

1.kind
2.reciprocal behaviour
3.loyal

That’s it but has never happened. Not even close once… ever…. in mgtow-dom…

Aloha means family you don't leave family behind. Who will be the next Draconarius for MGTOW? MGTOW = brothers = acceptance = belonging

[porchukParticipant 14]

Muglintar wrote:

The ideal Woman for a MGTOW is: non-existing.
MGTOW very essence is to take Sex out of the equotation of how a society should work.
No Man needs a woman to survive or be happy!
Women are entitled to live the very same way!
If a person, of what gender ever, decides to want to share parts of his/her/its life with whomever, then it is solely this persons decision and consequently everything resulting from this decisions is only this persons achievement or obligation!

At the very core, MGTOW is all about freedom, equality and responsibility. And not letting anyone push you to do anything, especially not for others, if the reward you get in return doesn’t match.

You say you live in a different society, I assume you are talking about a society where there are accepted differences between men, women, classes, commonly family is valued very high in such societies. The very basic things are quite common in muslim, hindu or buddhist societies. And there it becomes tricky, you are used to expectations, that validate difference. But MGTOW is all about equality. Any woman does have the right to say or do whatever she wants to, MGTOW just demand the right not to listen. A MGTOW will listen, when whatever is said or done is in line with his own interests. And if not, a MGTOW does not fight, he turns and walks away, respectively refuses to participate.

To answer your question regarding how would MGTOW change women or society? Some concepts are anarchic, some are liberal and some even have socialist tendencies. And again, as MGTOW do recognize every human being as an individual, each and every MGTOW does have his own idea. Yours you will have to find on your own.

I sense an underlying question in your post, if I’m wrong feel free to ignore. “Can one be MGTOW and still be married, respectively want to marry?” – If, so , the answer is yes, if you are aware of common womens intentions, societies expectations and are willing to argue against any oppression. (your wife is sucking your dick if you buy her a nice necklace? – price too high, so she is oppressing you by ripping you off).

Thank you for response.

Yes every MGTOW has his own idea and I want to know these ideas. I cannot call myself as MGTOW yet. But as you said, I don’t need women to survive or happy. I can live alone and I am so happy.

But I just have a specific desire: reproduction. Nothing more or less. I don’t want to marry, I don’t want to spend time with women in particular. I don’t want to be “loved”. I just want to reproduce. This is natural instinct of every human, or every animal, or every creature. I don’t bend to knee for a woman, and I won’t. But I don’t know how solve this problem in gynocentric society without being exploited. Yes, you MGTOW guys look like egalitarian and decide to stand aside for women’s bitchiness. Maybe it is the best solution or the worst solution, I don’t know. However, I think primitively. I just want to put babies in women’s bellies as much as I can. It sounds foolish to you, I guess. But, I don’t want to step back and fall of the face of the earth. This is my breath of life.

And even I am not MGTOW yet, I respect your views and I believe in that I can learn new opinions from you. So, it will make me powerful in my fight against misandrist society.

Akhilleus wrote:

If bro is from Turkey maybe he just wants to know ? But if you had a chance to scan the forums you would know the mgtow stance but I’ll take the bait and create my magical mystical unicorn for you it’s Friday and I’ll do a free one. Mine is 3 items.

1.kind
2.reciprocal behaviour
3.loyal

That’s it but has never happened. Not even close once… ever…. in mgtow-dom…

Thank YOU, too. Yes, not even close once.

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p.s. ALL: I don’t care being called as tuna or mangina. And also I don’t care to be kicked out. I am here to improve myself. Sometimes I read forum in here without logging in. And rarely I log in to ask question. I hope I will read rational response, not oppressive ones.

[AwakenedParticipant 35200]

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[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Of course this is tuna… and there’s the humblebrag “English my second language” comment to deflect criticism for poor grammar and spelling while also disarming critical thinking of the topic.

The ideal woman… smart men do not talk about unicorns or otherwise engage in magical thinking, we deal in the literal, practical and possible. And we certainly do not beg to not be oppressed.

A more realistic question might be something along the lines of “What macropolitical or social changes, if any, would you propose to undo the damage that has been wrought upon society by gynocentrism and how would you seek to implement them?” and even still most MGTOW would answer that it could not be done or that they wouldn’t bother doing it if they could. In fact you might get a response such as “What changes would you make to the plantation to entice the emancipated to return to the fields?”

You’d know this if you had truly spent any time lurking on this site or were familiar with the basic philosophical framework of MGTOW.

The problem, such as it is, stems from the basic biological drivers for men and women combined with us currently occupying a period of history in which we enjoy record comfort and abundance. Now, you could attempt to change human nature, and fail, or you could call for a massive depopulation of men through war or disease, which no sane man would do, or you could propose the deliberate implemetation of economic austerity as an engine of social revival which sounds like the beginning of a Marxist cult.

The first is impossible and the last two would merely dial back the clock to some degree or another but they wouldn’t change the underlying drivers so you’d eventually end up where you began.

Some have proposed to inflate the “supply” of women through the deployment of artificial reproduction and female androids with soft AI which would, supposedly destroy the market value of biological women and force them to be either more self-sufficient or more submissive, loyal and grateful but we’ll leave that for the future.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Very Well Said ^^^^^^^^^^

MGTOW originated thousands of years ago because “the ideal woman” doesn’t exist.

27 With all my wisdom I have tried to find out how everything fits together, 28 but so far I have not been able to. I do know there is one good man in a thousand, but never have I found a good woman. Ecclesiastes 7: 28 CEV

This was written by King Solomon some 4,000 years ago. Men live in REALITY, and MGTOW recognize that REALITY and behave accordingly.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[FeralParticipant 98]

The question seems to come from a non-red pill, and maybe not male.

what kind of society could suppress women’s bitchiness? In what kind of society do you give up to be MGTOW?

Woman nature is bad for men but all successful past societies had checks and systems to keep women instincts under control.
It is like saying that all dog puppies have bad instincts until they are trained to live inside a household.

Almost any society from the past, before women were granted vote, would be OK.
– A man had responsibilities (protector, breadwinner, defender of the nation) but also had corresponding benefits for his heavy responsibilities: authority over women and kids, a mostly meritocratic work environment, the law was defending men from false accusations and white-men were innocent until proven guilty, and had freedom-of-speech.

In particular:
– Men were respected and recognised as the creators of civilisation, as leader of the family, as (on average) smarter/stronger.
– Divorce, for no just cause, was practically non-existent, and women could not deny sex to their husbands.
– Rape accusations were possible only in case of real violence, and there were negative consequences for false accusations.
– There were very severe consequences for women having sex outside of marriage: both before marriage (women were mostly virgins until marriage), and after marriage (betrayal of the breadwinner, and children from non-husbands).
– Prostitution was allowed
– There were no state subsidies to divorce, single mothers, and lazy collectivists (only help to few people with real problems).
– There was no transfer of wealth from men to women in case of divorce
– Kids would stay with the father in case of divorce
– there were no quotas at work: it was more a meritocracy as opposed to equal-outcome

[SlayherParticipant 2074]

porchuk wrote:

I am asking these questions because I am living in a different society

I’m not taking the bait.

Different society? More like a different reality.

You could save yourself from flaunting your stupidity by exploring the website first.

[MuglintarParticipant 1333]

porchuk wrote:

I think primitively. I just want to put babies in women’s bellies as much as I can.

Porchuk, how old are you? you know children should be seen, not heard, don’t you?

"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

No one is ideal.
Im a bachelor, Im not interested.

It’s a bliss the time and freedom I have, the serenity of the mind I have.

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[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

LONG ANSWER:
If I would ever consider to have a women as a partner and have a family (which already sounds like hell), in real life:

1) she should have higher-education (work in medical field doctor/nurse)
2) be at least 7-8/10 without makeup
3) be friendly, fun to be around, kind to people.

Kinda short list and very much possible in my country, still I can’t see it happening as I enjoy living alone too much. I don’t think it’s possible to go back from ultimate/more freedom to less.

It’s impossible, as either I have the family and sacrifice my freedom for it, or I don’t. Also I would not go to any compromises about things I love doing or change anything about my life, I am happy with the life I have and don’t need the second-half to make me whole.

So, the more I think about it the less it’s possible to even consider having a women.

NO BENEFITS, MANY RISKS and TOO MUCH OF A COMPROMISE.

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[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Feral wrote:

Woman nature is bad for men but all successful past societies had checks and systems to keep women instincts under control.
It is like saying that all dog puppies have bad instincts until they are trained to live inside a household.

Almost any society from the past, before women were granted vote, would be OK.
– A man had responsibilities (protector, breadwinner, defender of the nation) but also had corresponding benefits for his heavy responsibilities: authority over women and kids, a mostly meritocratic work environment, the law was defending men from false accusations and white-men were innocent until proven guilty, and had freedom-of-speech.

In particular:
– Men were respected and recognised as the creators of civilisation, as leader of the family, as (on average) smarter/stronger.
– Divorce, for no just cause, was practically non-existent, and women could not deny sex to their husbands.
– Rape accusations were possible only in case of real violence, and there were negative consequences for false accusations.
– There were very severe consequences for women having sex outside of marriage: both before marriage (women were mostly virgins until marriage), and after marriage (betrayal of the breadwinner, and children from non-husbands).
– Prostitution was allowed
– There were no state subsidies to divorce, single mothers, and lazy collectivists (only help to few people with real problems).
– There was no transfer of wealth from men to women in case of divorce
– Kids would stay with the father in case of divorce
– there were no quotas at work: it was more a meritocracy as opposed to equal-outcome

Don’t forget, there was also a dowry paid to man, to marry a women.

If someone paid me now, I would still not do it. Unless o fcourse we are talking millions, which is unrealistic anyway.

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[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

The only one I occasionally hang around with is .. mother nature.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

hmskl’d wrote:

The only one I occasionally hang around with is .. mother nature.

True. Love it.

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