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  • #53600
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    Dilbert
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    Been lurking for a bit, enjoying every page of it, and have wanted to post but thought it rude to do so without doing my intro.

    I was born the son of a poor, feminized family. My father was a sailor who at first ruled the roost as was an OK manly example (he himself coming from a divorce family). However, after my parents divorced in 1971 when I was 8 my mom got “empowered” by the rising tide of 70s feminism and thus began my long, dark journey into full on blue pill, white knight, maginaism.  My parents got back together off and on after that but my mom had no intention of turning back over the reins and the societal force of feminism was in full flood.

    Due to my parents experience I had sworn off marriage coming out of high school. I was a social loser and friend-zoned by every chick I got to know. When my wife-to-be actually wanted more than that, the hook was set and I got reeled in. Up to that point she was the best thing that had happened in my life.

    Within 5 years I had the career, car, house, two kids, and a fraying marriage. About 10 years in a number of things started me down the road of reason and by about 2002 I started to push back and draw lines. This, of course, was met with increasing resistance so that by 2006 my wife claimed I was “killing her love for me” and by 2008 she told me “if it weren’t for the kids I would have left you by now”.

    Well, at that point I didn’t have it together enough to stand my ground so things went passsive-aggresive. A few years later my son went to college and that change was enough to stir some things. By the time my daughter left two years later most of my motivations for maintaining the facade were gone and I was progressively and rapidly re-thinking everything. This got mixed in with a bit of anger when it became clear to me some of the crap that had really been going on and some other eye-opening realizations. These were hard red pills but I wanted them.

    Unfortunately, it got too much to take for awhile and I turned to substances to escape (an old pattern for me). It was nothing major (I maintained an adequate income and generally met my responsibilities) but she the way she played it ruined my reputation and caused estrangement with my kids.

    As the red pills finished digesting I started getting it back together and made some clear-headed conclusions and life decisions about how I would use the rest of mine. I get to do Act II then exit the stage, and it’s going to be a bit different than the first one. Over the past six months I have been repairing my relationships with my kids and they are close to normal again. I am still married and am thinking through my options there.

    About a month ago I was reading an article about a Japanese group that had made a very realistic robotic human head (pretty cool but creepy). I followed a link to another article about a company that made life-sized, “fully functional”, female mannequins for men and was going to incorporate the robotics. It talked about how within 20 years men might be able to buy them to replace their wife. Interesting and attractive concept.

    In the comment section a raging war had developed between a group of women and this one guy who said he was MGTOW. His arguments made a lot of sense and his responses to the women were admirable. I noticed a number of other men who were commenting that were getting what he said and some were also deciding to look into MGTOW. For those of you who go to the effort to argue for MGTOW in comment sections of articles I encourage you heartily to keep it up. It is time well spent if there are any other men reading the comments.

    A bit of my life has been like entering a movie theater about 20 minutes after the movie started. Really confusing and just when you think you have something figured out another thing happens that leaves you scratching your head again. The past few years have been slowly filling in that first 20 minutes and MGTOW really accelerated things. The result has been a certain kind of personal peace and growing confidence. Thank You.

    I feel indebted and hope to be able to contribute at least a little bit for the benefit of the other men coming here.

    It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

    #53613
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    Thank you for coming out the woodwork. Hope everything goes well with your children.

    Welcome to MGTOW.

    #53617
    Dilbert
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    Ironically, if it weren’t for the kids I probably would have left as well.  Our marriage wasn’t near as bad as some I have read here so it was easier staying together “for the kids”.  It wasn’t something we consciously decided to do but when they left it was clear I had grown a LOT and wasn’t going to play the game anymore.

    She kept asking “where is the man I married”, even to our kids.  It was just proof she didn’t want me, but some caricature I hadn’t adhered to for a while.

     

    It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

    #53639
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    Jin
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    In the comment section a raging war had developed between a group of women and this one guy who said he was MGTOW

    Couldn’t help but smile. Sounds like an epic warrior warding off evil kind of story.

    Anyways, welcome to MGTOW.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

    #53640
    RedHeadedStranger
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    Glad you made it to us Dil

    #53659
    FullMetalExo
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    Welcome, and considering all what happened, from what I understood , It’s great that you didn’t gave up on your kids…and it sucks at the same time. I mean, I hope they will understand what you had to go trough to keep rising them, and hopefully you were not made in to a family’s villain dad. Reason:

    Long story short. My friend got married, f~~~ed his life over. His only joy is rising a baby girl right now, and hoping he can make sure his wife will not pit her against him, just because. If he divorces at some point, she sure will, and that he doesn’t want. Classic “Hostage by our kid” scheme. Even thinking about it makes my blood boil.

     

    Me ? No thanks, Im 27, I don’t date, I don’t have a girlfriend and instead Im salivating on near future purchases Ducati.lv  Cause, why the hell not.

    Couldn’t help but smile. Sounds like an epic warrior warding off evil kind of story. Anyways, welcome to MGTOW.

     

    Anyway, welcome ! Be at good health and enjoy your stay !

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    #53735
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    … My friend got married, f~~~ed his life over. His only joy is rising a baby girl right now, and hoping he can make sure his wife will not pit her against him, just because. If he divorces at some point, she sure will, and that he doesn’t want. Classic “Hostage by our kid” scheme. Even thinking about it makes my blood boil.

    My sister divorced her husband when my nieces were 8 and 10.  He had cheated on her but I think it was because of her issues with men (from my dad molesting her) and his with women (his mom was a control freak).   He was an exec with Rubbermaid and was in Europe setting up for them to move there when a hot Polish co-worker got lots of his attention.  She found the evidence and confronted him but decided to roll with it so as not to ruin the move to Belgium (she always wanted to live the European life).

    They returned after a year and there was an attempt to make it work but she had put him on her permanent s~~~ list and it was just a matter of time.  It was an “amicable” divorce and stayed that way for a little while but at some point she got a bee in her bonnet and accused him of messing with the older girl.  The guy was a bit if a jerk but I knew him well enough to know it was very unlikely.  I think it was a case of her putting ideas in her daughter’s head and a bit of coaching.  The accusation eventually didn’t stick legally but once in the divorce record she used it like a club.

    Anyway, from then on my sister mostly disappeared and this angry, vengeful, spiteful, ect. emerged that I eventually avoided.  Fortunately we had the girls a many times over the summer for a few weeks at a time and I would take them camping with my kids and try to be a good/positive/loving uncle.  They still stay in touch but the divorce screwed their heads up a bit.

    The younger the kids are and the worse the marriage situation is the more I would recommend your friend get out and just try to be there for his daughter.  In my case staying in was better for the kids but used up a lot of my living years.   It would have been better for me if my parents had stayed divorced.

    It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

    #53850
    RoyDal
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    Welcome, and glad you made it!

    It talked about how within 20 years men might be able to buy them to replace their wife. Interesting and attractive concept.,,

    I am holding out for a Stepford Wife. The first movie was supposed to be a horror flick. I thought it was a great idea and still do. The basic plot is as you describe. The men would wait until their wives had fulfilled their biological functions of producing a few children, and then they replaced them with robots. What struck me is how well all the Stepford Wives got along: Real human women would never get along that well.

    (Never saw the second flick, heard it was no good so didn’t bother.)

    Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

    #53857
    FullMetalExo
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    Funny thing is, It didn’t even feel watching Stepford Wives as horror, and remake aswell.

    The only creepy bit was with black eyes.

     

    And High Country Dilbert, thank you for advice.

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    #54600
    TheBeast
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    article about a company that made life-sized, “fully functional”, female mannequins for men and was going to incorporate the robotics. It talked about how within 20 years men might be able to buy them to replace their wife. Interesting and attractive concept.

     

    I am all for that idea, literally. Though if it was in an affordable price range (I’d pay the price of a 4-5yo car for an android like that, maintenance included), it might be blocked by governments. The consequences to society would be fearsome in their perspective.

    This would literally kill off the feminism, gynocentrism and allow MGTOW to flourish all over the areas, where such things are most prevalent (1st world countries).

    #55690
    IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)
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    I think one wants to have a good marriage for the kids.  Staying together for the kids, despite the fact that what you have is a former corpse of a marriage, isn’t benefiting the kids at all.  I do say this with a focus on having a good marriage, over getting a divorce.  There are ways I understand this can be done, but am not one to give advice.  I am far more suited to giving advice surviving single.  Part of my going my own ways is how much I am not able to get a dating life to work, and if I end up trying to focus on what I miss there, the less I can function overall.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    #55786
    Dilbert
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    I think one wants to have a good marriage for the kids. Staying together for the kids, despite the fact that what you have is a former corpse of a marriage, isn’t benefiting the kids at all…

    I agree with you in that if staying in the marriage is more detrimental for the kids you should exit it.  But it is situational and each case needs to be judged on its own merits.  While I am MGHOW, I also believe once you have children, your “own way” is secondary to their needs and healthy development until they are grown (or of a mature age).

    There are lots of situations where continuing the marriage has much less detrimental effect on the kids than splitting up.  Just hang in there for a number of years and learn to be as much MGHOW as possible.

    It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

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