Pope on men's rights vs. socialism from 1891

[StealthParticipant 5330]

elections from Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum: Encyclical On Capital and Labor, 1891:

“A family, no less than a State, is, as We have said, a true society, governed by an authority peculiar to itself, that is to say, by the authority of the father… the family has at least equal rights with the State in the choice and pursuit of the things needful to its preservation and its just liberty… The family must necessarily have rights and duties which are prior to those of the community, and founded more immediately in nature. If the citizens, if the families on entering into association and fellowship, were to experience hindrance in a commonwealth instead of help, and were to find their rights attacked instead of being upheld, society would rightly be an object of
detestation rather than of desire.

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“Paternal authority can be neither abolished nor absorbed by the State; for it has the same source as human life itself. “The child belongs to the father,”
and is, as it were, the continuation of the father’s personality; and speaking strictly, the child takes its place in civil society, not of its own right, but in
its quality as member of the family in which it is born . . . The socialists, therefore, in setting aside the parent and setting up a State supervision, act against natural justice, and destroy the structure of the home.  And in addition to injustice, it is only too evident what an upset and disturbance there would be in all classes, and to how intolerable and hateful a slavery citizens would be subjected . . .

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“To suffer and to endure, therefore, is the lot of humanity; let them strive as they may, no strength and no artifice will ever succeed in banishing from human life the ills and troubles which beset it. If any there are who pretend differently – who hold out to a hard-pressed people the boon of freedom from pain and trouble, an undisturbed repose, and constant enjoyment – they delude the people and impose upon them, and their lying promises will only one day bring forth evils worse than the present. Nothing is more useful than to look upon the world as it really is”

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“but to misuse men as though they were things in the pursuit of gain, or to value them solely for their physical powers – that is truly shameful and inhuman.”

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

This is a lot of truth. We are now in a society where the government is now the husband and father, and the women recognize that. Women go to hubby Uncle Sam for all that she needs, and when her dealings go awry, she runs to him and he fixes all of her problems.

Uncle Sam now owns the children too, not the mothers. On the drop of a hat, he will move the kids to where ever he wants for whatever reason. The kids now grow up, doing as their government dad says, and realizing that if they do what he wishes, they will get their allowance of handouts.

The government, in this perspective, has removed the fathers from the equation, making men purely optional in the equation. The only value in his eyes are the women and children, as he sees all men as a threat to his territory and the women he counts as his.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

Everything went to s~~~ when women were given voting rights. It was still bad before, when they were manipulating their husband’s opinions. But now it’s a disaster.

We’ll fall just like the roman empire.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[StealthParticipant 5330]

Removed wrote:

The government, in this perspective, has removed the fathers from the equation, making men purely optional in the equation. The only value in his eyes are the women and children, as he sees all men as a threat to his territory and the women he counts as his.

I would say the government values men as a tax revenue source, i.e. wage slaves to keep itself propped up and those handouts in motion.

Half of my income goes to the U.S. and state government. That’s six months out of the year. When my wife divorced me, the government made sure my wife got half of what remained after that, leaving me with 25% return for my labor.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

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