Political Ground Game and Election Rigging.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Political Ground Game and Election Rigging.

A recent article has compared the Hillary Clinton rally attendance and online views with the Donald Trump on rally attendance and online views: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/21/trump-vs-clinton-live-stream-speech-comparison-engagement-and-enthusiasm-example/

Hillary Clinton is pulling a few hundred people to each of her rallies. And her online views of the rallies live is a few hundred to a few thousand. And she is only have a few rallies a week for the last two and a half months.

Donald Trump is pulling in several thousand to tens of thousands of people to each of his rallies. And more outside of the buildings. Trump’s rallies pull in on average tens of thousand of views while the rally is going on.

And Trump is doing around a dozen rallies a week for the last two and a half months.

Trump has ground game. Hillary does not.

Wikileaks, Project Veritas, and others have pointed out and shown how Hillary Clinton has cheated every step of this election. From cheating the DNC primary, fixing the polls to side with her, controlling the media, to rigging the debates (which she lost every debate she was in).

Even discounting Hillary’s physical health, she had no legitimacy in this election.

The only way Hillary wins this election is if the election is rigged.

It has also recently come out that Soros, Hillary’s master, has control of election machines in several states: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wikileaks-soros-linked-voting-machines-now-used-16-states-rigged-2004-venezuela-elections/

Though, it is also shown by Reuters poll that at least 70% of Republics and at least 30% of democrats feel the election is going to be rigged: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-21/new-reuters-poll-shows-70-republicans-think-election-rigged

The secret is out.

Also, another poll by Statista states that 60% of Americans main fear is corruption in government: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-21/over-60-americans-fear-corruption-government-officials-above-anything-else

Taking all this together, we have a makings of open revolt if the election is openly rigged for Hillary.

If Soros goes through with the rigging, he may destroy the economic systems he and the people he represents have using the control the world. With much of their system relying on U.S. greenback for global economic control.

An open revolt in the U.S. would collapse the value of the U.S. greenback.

To make matters worse for the Hillary campaign. The White House cannot make up its mind if there is election fraud. The White House only defense on this is to claim that it is only fraud if the White House says so. Meaning that if Trump wins the White House may invalidate the election results. That will likely start a open revolt.

The White House defense now is to say for us not to believe our “lying eyes”: http://www.infowars.com/u-s-vote-authorities-warned-to-be-alert-to-russian-hacks-faking-fraud-officials-2/

If the stakes were not this high, this would be funny. Instead, this election is sad and tragic. Hillary and her supporters have been caught rigging this election at every turn. And more evidence against her continuing to come out.

If the Hillary campaign decides to rig the election itself, there may be no election after this, because there may not be a U.S.A.

Still, there is good news. Trump has endorsements from the police and military of this nation. Along with Trump supports being the armed part of the civilian population. Also, the rank and file feds are disgusted with what they have learned about their superiors.

Every way I look, I do not see a win for Hillary. Even if she had the election rigged, she has already lost. The only question is how?

[TuneoutParticipant]

Unfortunately the general public seems more obsessed with the Trump scandals than Clintons.

While Trump draws larger crowds ,sites outlining his scandals also draw more people.

Since most people have the attention span of an ADHD kid
it might be a good idea for him to tone down the rhetoric these last few weeks to the election so people can focus on Hillary’s shortcomings instead.

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[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Tuneout wrote:

Unfortunately the general public seems more obsessed with the Trump scandals than Clintons.

No. The media is more obsessed with falsified Trump accusations, to get cover to Hillary very real crimes. Both the plans for false accusations against Trump and Hillary’s crimes are documents in Wikileaks, along with the media’s collusion with Hillary.

TV ratings for the media is dropping out of the bottom. The media are all losing viewers because the American people see the media as the liars the media is.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Just anecdotally the polls seem to be about right to me. Among my friends, slightly more favor Hillary over Trump. Or maybe I should say slightly more hate Trump more than they tolerate Hillary. Most of my Hillary friends would trade her for Bernie in a heartbeat but they will be voting for her.

I do however find it ironic that if Hillary does win, she will be our first female President. And she will accomplish that by riding on her husband’s coat tails. Breaking the glass ceiling by having her husband do it for her. YOU GO GURL!!

I should also say that most of my Hillary friends are hypocrites. They gave Bill Clinton a free pass for using his power to get pussy but are then extremely offended by Trump. Kind of like Michelle Obama who has been shaken to her core by Trump’s words but has no problem inviting rappers to the White House so her daughters can meet them. Because, no one has more respect for women than rappers.

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[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Please, read what I posted in its entirety. How the rigging is happening for Hillary and how it will not be accepted. There is no win for her.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

Please, read what I posted in its entirety. How the rigging is happening for Hillary and how it will not be accepted. There is no win for her.

I read it. I guess the point I didn’t make clear enough is that most people won’t feel the election was rigged and life will go on. I don’t think that her winning will bring about any monumental change that will cause society to collapse. Now, what she does after she wins may very well cause society to collapse, but that’s another topic.

The two big points here are that the media is biased and there is a certain level of voter fraud that goes on. Both of these things have been happening for generations and nobody has given a s~~~ yet. Maybe this election will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, but don’t be surprised when it isn’t.

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[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

TaxGuy wrote:

I read it. I guess the point I didn’t make clear enough is that most people won’t feel the election was rigged and life will go on.

I disagree and I posted by sources.

Why do you think Hillary and those in D.C. are harping on Russia. Blaming everything on Russia, from Wikileaks, to the alt-right press, to Trump supporters. So, they can declare the election is invalid if Trump wins. While at the same time Hillary and her supporters are caught rigging elections. I posted my sources for this.

And this could be a pretext to silent anyone that disagrees with Hillary. Hillary has called those whom disagree with her deplorable and irredeemable. Hitler made simpler speeches.

Hillary even called Sander’s supports to be losers. And Wikileaks has pointed out how Hillary had Americans in general.

What is further troubling is Hillary, her handlers, her supporters are willing to start World War III to keep Trump from getting to the White House. Those in D.C. are trying to start a war with Russia over Syria.

And that is not all. At the same time, it seems the D.C. is also not trying to pick a fight with China.

This is a propaganda piece in the following link that is one brick of many to likely for the U.S. to provoke a fight with China: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/21/china-and-the-philippines-could-ink-oil-exploration-deal-in-south-china-sea.html

Russia and China are the other other super-powers in the world. Both are nuclear powers. It is dicey if the U.S. could defeat either in a conventional war. And there are no winners in global nuclear war.

Hillary and those with her have driven the American people to a corner. And now Hillary and those with her have been caught with corruption, crimes, election rigging, etc, with them now in a corner.

The American people have nothing left to lose. While Hillary and her supporters have a lot to lose if they rigger the election and cause unrest in the U.S.

The only good news is this is not happening in a vacuum. There are other parties involved. And maybe those parties can find a solution to this situation.

[RoyDalParticipant]

It is a fact, and an easily verifiable fact, that anyone who can get physical possession of a computer can make it do whatever they want.

Thus one is inspired to ask, who has possession of the voting computers on the night before the election?

The answer is the the cleaning crew and the building’s custodians.

One asks who supplies the janitors and cleaning crew and custodians?

The answer is the Service Employees International Union (SEIU): “The union is known for its strong support for Democratic candidates. ” (That is a quote from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Employees_International_Union)

So . . . how do you think the voting computers are going to tabulate their results? To put it another way, why do you think Hillary is always laughing?

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[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Whoever loses in a close elections feels like it was rigged. Remember the W., Florida, and hanging chads?

The election is ‘rigged’ to the extent that overall, the media is biased towards the Left. The media creates a narrative, just as the Public Indoctrination Centers do (public schools, NPR, etc) against fiscal conservatism and individual freedom. The two ruling parties, try to limit electoral competition by imposing ballot access laws making it difficult for third parties to emerge.

The nominating process is severely flawed — else we would not be left to choose between two candidates with such high disapproval ratings.

Now, both Mr. Trump and Secretary Clinton are authoritarians and collectivists, albeit, of different stripes. Whichever of these two clowns is elected, and the Democratic or Republican congressional delegations to go with them, government will comprise approximately 40% of GDP and you will work Mon and Tue each week for the Government to pay for it(40% of the week), just as you did before the election.

Equating rally size to electoral success is pseudo-science for an entire range of reasons. To cite a few:

WHERE a rally is held makes a big difference. If I hold a rally in New York or Los Angeles, I’m going to have a lot more attendees than if, say, it is held in Cleveland. That’s just demographics. There are a lot fewer people in Cleveland! Second, if I hold a rally in a State where I am strong in the polls, I’ll have more attendees.

As for voting itself being directly rigged, not so much these days. The two parties police each other. Elections are run state-by-state and the Board of Elections is made up of equal numbers of traitors from each of the two parties.

I do believe we should require photo ID to get our absentee ballots OR to vote in person. Maybe the government should also tabulate how much I’ve paid in taxes in my lifetime, and subtract what I’ve consumed in schools, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc, and if I’m in the red, negative, no vote for me? Haha.

Trump has endorsements from the ‘police and military’? Do they all vote as one monolithic bloc? The national police union, the Fraternal Order of Police, has endorsed the Republican in every election since 1996, because policemen, are mostly republicans. Just like the government workers’ unions, AFSCME and the AFL-CIO typically endorse the Democratic candidate. So I’d expect these groups to operate under the same groupthink they always have.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

The important thing is that a lot of people believe it is rigged. The president will have no mandate.

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[Anonymous 11]

Can the people vote to end democracy because of what it has produced in terms of tyranny alone. It’s pretty obvious the people will not be able to vote their way out of this predicament of slavery, in addition many people have the right to vote, but so few have the qualifications because of the lifelong brainwashing of the people.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Jan: Yes, no mandate is good. So is divided government with one party in the White House and the other with a congressional majority in the House or Senate. That way very little mischief gets done.

On the other hand, it also means government won’t shrink, but stay at the same percent of GDP/size we’re at now, as the only bills that can pass are continuing resolutions. It also means the media will engage in the ‘blame game’ of determining which party is impeding the Great New Legislation from passing.

One aspect I do like about this election is that it is further decreasing already low levels of confidence and trust in government.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

People will see whatever they want to. Take Crosscheck, for example:
http://thevotingnews.com/tag/interstate-crosscheck/

This is what is being used to argue there is massive voter fraud. It is a program that compares names across state lines, to try to present a case of massive voter fraud. You have individuals with the same name, voting in different states, and such is said to be fraudulent, so the individual is removed from the ballot. Even if they have a different middle name, they are removed. This is done on the GOP side. But, such will be used by an individual who wants to see fraud, as evidence of massive fraud. Dick Morris is an example of this:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/10/dick-morris/dick-morris-theres-proof-over-1-million-people-vot/

This spin is so dangerous, you risk ending up having bad consequences by going down the path. You will post on forums like this and think you are making a difference and it isn’t.

If Trump does genuinely lose badly, and it is shown to be such, you can then argue he was such a flawed candidate the system set him up to make Hillary look good, so the system was rigged anyhow, to make it so Hillary would get elected.

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[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Election ‘rigging’ also occurs in WHO is permitted to vote. The vote is not proportional to taxes paid; let us say I run a small business, a dry cleaner, and paid $100,000 in taxes. I do not get to vote proportionally to the taxes/protection money paid to the local, State, and Federal mobsters (government) as part of their ‘rackets’.

We also permit federal, State, and local government employees to vote, which merely encourages ever larger government. Will public school teachers vote for privatized education or charter schools, or to continue a system guaranteeing them pay increases based on years worked and degrees rather than merit and results? This is one reason you see little innovation in the way we educate. The schools in my area can flunk the standardized tests. Nobody loses their jobs. Of course, parents are largely responsible for this, but the schools do share some of the blame.

Remember, one in six citizens WORKS for government. Thus, they are unlikely to vote for small government. http://www.gallup.com/poll/141785/gov-employment-ranges-ohio.aspx

Voter registration rolls are a mess; if I move, I may well be left on the rolls. To obtain an absentee ballot, I should have to go to a post office and get an iris scan or other BIOMETRIC identification. Same for in-person voting. So our system of voting, does invite fraud.

However, if there was massive voter fraud, there would be many prosecutions in States ruled by the Republican gangsters, since the Democratic mobsters, historically have run the political machines and stolen more votes. We haven’t seen such prosecutions, because fraud is minimal. My State is run by the Republican mobsters and we are cross-check participants. In the 2012 election, there were only 212 referrals to district attorneys for duplicate voting. Keep in mind, I reside in a State with a population of 5MM voters back in 2012, so that’s 212/5MM, or 0.004%, even if they’re only catching 1% of fraud, that would mean fraud is 100 times this level, but that is still only 0.4%. So, direct fraud doesn’t seem significant. And the 0.004% estimate, assumes all referrals were legitimate fraud. . .

Another indicator of direct fraud is number of ballots cast vs population. You’ll see that in latin American countries. I’m just not seeing it here.

What would happen, if instead of, or in addition to, voting for mobsters as we do now, we voted for what percent of GDP goes to government, and what categories we want the percentages of that to go to, e.g. 0% for foreign aid, 0% for federal department of education, 25% for roads and infrastructure, 0% for wars on foreign soil, etc? That would be a very different system than voting for individuals.

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