Oh Brother…

[ABParticipant 762]

I want to take a moment to talk about my brother, and his current relations~~~.

He is blue pill as hell, destined for cuckoldry and too arrogant to heed my advice. He is older than me by a year, and is a relatively successful man. He doesn’t clear insane amounts of money, but he earns around $600,000 per year, which to a woman is more than enough to pique her interest.

He has been with his current partner for about a decade now, since he was a teenager. He has no children, and is not yet married. He is a simple man, the epitome of the female definition of “the good guy”. He lavishes her with gifts, whisks her away on holidays all over the world, works long hours so she can lead a relatively carefree life, pays the bills and undertakes a lot of the domestic duties. She works a mediocre job, which is laughable compared to his work ethic… oh, and I hate her.

Around seven years into the relations~~~, he turned up on my doorstep in tears at 6am. They’d had a huge falling out after he had learned she had been sport f~~~ing whilst away on “holidays” with her sister all over the country. He was broken, a shell of the brother I knew. He couldn’t comprehend it, really took the victim stance of “what did I do to deserve this”, whereas she had the obvious excuses pre-loaded of “you never had time for me” and “I just need attention and affection”. Ugh. I took him in, put a roof over his head and helped him rebuild himself back up to resembling the brother I’d always known. It was painful for me, my older brother had always been the stable and honest guy, a true stoic as opposed to me who was emotionally f~~~ed and liable to go off like a firework and spend the night in a cell, or the bottom of a bottle. I’d always been the successful f~~~ up who managed to screw his life up at every opportunity, he’d always been the one who seemed to have it all together. This was the first and only time he ever opened up to show his vulnerability.

We listened to this on repeat, and it became a song that will always remind me of this time of our lives.

After a few months of living with me, he got his own place and seemed to be on the up. He had reclaimed his social life, we were going on holidays together and we had rebuilt our childhood brotherhood with a new lease of life. He was happy, so much happier than I recalled him being whilst in the relations~~~. And since he was happy… cue her return. I noticed him withdrawing from our busy social calendar once more, he started missing calls, not replying until the next morning to messages, skipping plans. At first (somewhat optimistically) I thought perhaps he’d found himself a new interest. Nope. It was her again, worming her way back in.

They ended up back together, back into the same old bulls~~~. He swept her cheating under the rug never to be spoken of again, and resumed his blue pill existence, willfully ignorant of the hypocrisy. We still go on holidays now, but he is only there physically as most of the time he is buried in his phone messaging her. Pretty much all of our other social co-existence has evaporated into the ether.

I have tried to open his eyes to the inevitable outcome, but he is too indoctrinated with the whole 2.4 children fairytale that kids are spoonfed; education, occupation, marriage and kids. He’s just too blind, and too arrogant to take my advice for where it’s heading.

I’m not really looking for advice here, just wanted somewhere to vent my frustration. I love my brother, and I hate the foresight of knowing he’s being set back up for a big fall, again. Unfortunately deaf ears never hear life saving advice.

No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

I have five brothers. I am in the spot of your brother to you. I’m the oldest and all of my brothers looked up to me and then my divorce hit.

It was funny watching them be forced to distance themselves from me. Their wives feared I was contagious. And dreaded that I’d need one of my brothers to rescue me.

Funny the dynamics. Each brother controlled and manipulated to only rescue his damsel wife.

Unlike your brother I didn’t go back. I woke up.

Will drink a beer to you with the hope all of our brothers will one day wake up.

Peace brothers

[Freedom Not SlaveryParticipant 508]

That really sucks, and the issue is not even the woman it is that he has the same mindset as he did before, the fact he took her cheating ass back shows he was still his old self in mind deep down. Most men once they have been cheated on get a “f~~~ that cheating c~~~, I’ll kill her if she ever tries to win me back, that f~~~ing traitor” mind set as the anger towards being cheated on cancels out any good things while with the whore.

Your brother is sadly one that feels he can “forgive her, that deep down she does love him” which sadly is a mental thing that allows him to be a beta bitch for women like her. There is nothing you can do as he is still foolish enough to believe she is not a cheating c~~~ who needs to be booted out the door.

The only thing you can do for him is not help him next time she does this and he comes crying to your door a broken man, he needs to help himself and see her for what she truly is. You will want to help him as he is your brother and you love him but if you do he will not learn and she will keep using and abusing him as soon as he gets back on his feet as she did this time.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Sorry Dude! I only read as far as:

AB wrote:

but he earns around $600,000 per year,

and short of brain cancer I couldn’t think of any other problem that would require my sympathy or attention. He doesn’t have brain cancer, right???

[ABParticipant 762]

DorkShit wrote:

Will drink a beer to you with the hope all of our brothers will one day wake up.

Raise our toast for our brothers, may the red pill find them in time.

Freedom Not Slavery wrote:

There is nothing you can do as he is still foolish enough to believe she is not a cheating c~~~ who needs to be booted out the door.

Unfortunately this is indeed the crux, and the sad truth I have to accept. *sigh*

Autolite wrote:

I couldn’t think of any problem that would require my sympathy or attention. He doesn’t have brain cancer, right???

Worse, he has a leeching c~~~ shackled to him.

No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

He doesn’t clear insane amounts of money, but he earns around $600,000 per year,

What is his job title? And 600K is my lifetime earnings, hopefully.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[ABParticipant 762]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

He doesn’t clear insane amounts of money, but he earns around $600,000 per year,

What is his job title? And 600K is my lifetime earnings, hopefully.

F~~~ sake, I’ve f~~~ed that right up! He doesn’t earn nowhere near that! Talk about oversight! For some reason (I blame lack of sleep and the fact it’s past midnight) I’ve calculated his annual earnings as monthly and multiplied it by 12 ugh!

He earns about $50k a year!

No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Ok. NP. I just thought you ran in different circles than I do.

LOL.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[ABParticipant 762]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Ok. NP. I just thought you ran in different circles than I do.

LOL.

Christ I wish. I was converting currency from GBP to USD (force of habit on .com domains as I tend to assume sometimes erroneously that the core audience is American) and managed confuse myself! *facepalm*

No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.

[AutoliteParticipant]

AB wrote:

He earns about $50k a year!

Okay, I’m all ears now.

Why do you think your brother won’t listen to you? Could it be an ego issue on his part?

Does your brother know about MGTOW and what it’s all about???

[Anonymous 3]

Autolite wrote:

Does your brother know about MGTOW and what it’s all about???

He does know his brother who started the forum, sees Mgtow in real life, even if he does not yet know the word itself.

And, too bad to say, he did not suffer enough emotional pain yet. I mean, it is one ugly being cheated, conflict and break up. He got his girl, when he was a teen, so this is probably his very first and only long term relations~~~ with women. He does not know nothing yet.

He only felt like a victim of a bad one-time event. I felt the same “what did I do wrong?” “How / Why I deserved it?” when I was rejected all the time by hot girls, and when I was annoyed to hell by the less-hot (but possible for me to seduce) ex girls. And, at home, my parents were fighting all the time in very ugly ways. And still I was blue pill and hoped.

So, he did not suffer enough yet to question his deep inside instincts for love and that things, that every human is born with and conditioned into. Actually, we are highly rational people, who can override their own programming, and many people are not. They do not learn. Definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing (relations~~~s for example) and expecting different outcome from another girl, but they are rougly the same, just with different story, shape and fakeup.

And to add, when I started losing hope in that blue pill bulls~~~, for a lot of research on internet, nothing useful came up. Yeah, most of the time there is useless and already known bad relationship advice. And even if one heartbroken blue pill types something like “love is bulls~~~” into a search engine in a magic red pill moment, Mgtow.com or any other manosphere page does not come up. (That need to be changed somehow if possible.)

What to do: nothing for now, but be there again when they break up next time. Try again, and hope the pain will be enough for him to make the correct questions about life. Yes, the “What’s the ugly truth about relationships” is a question that is taboo for people who had not enough pain before.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing (relations~~~s for example) and expecting different outcome from another girl, but they are rougly the same, just with different story,

I think calling it “stupidity” might be a slight simplification. I think it could be more of an emotion driven determination that overrides our logical thought process.

Humans, it seems, will tend to be believe something to be true when logic says that it isn’t. As MGTOWS, our logical thought processes tells us that pursuing relations~~~s is illogical or ‘stupid’. Yet otherwise intelligent guys are still getting married.

IMO, emotion overriding logic would explain this. As individuals, we all are influenced by our emotion driven thoughts vs our logic driven thoughts to varying degrees…

[ABParticipant 762]

Autolite wrote:

Why do you think your brother won’t listen to you? Could it be an ego issue on his part? Does your brother know about MGTOW and what it’s all about???

Possibly ego, although I think he is partially just the type of person who hates to see the worst in people; to hear my view means to open himself up to the possibility that women are all inherently evil. He is too arrogant to accept AWALT. Don’t forget, he has seen all the s~~~ I’ve been through with court over my child etc. and the toxic relationships that preceded that clusterf~~~.

Autolite wrote:

IMO, emotion overriding logic would explain this. As individuals, we all are influenced by our emotion driven thoughts vs our logic driven thoughts to varying degrees…

I agree with this, emotion overrides logic; this sentiment is applicable for any emotion including love, anger, hate – we do things that we know are counterproductive, by resorting to violence, tears or even forgiveness.

I recall seeing something before about psychology called “Rosy Retrospection”, and how we are wired to overlook negativity and view everything in the past through the idiomatic “rose tinted glasses” – something to do with preventing us all committing suicide and being driven mad by all the pain we endure. I guess it’s similar to how we repress memories that are traumatic, subconsciously locking them away.

Anonymous wrote:

He got his girl, when he was a teen, so this is probably his very first and only long term relations~~~ with women. He only felt like a victim of a bad one-time event.

I believe this is the most obvious reasoning, it still f~~~ing sucks though. Regrettably people refuse to learn from others mistakes most of the time.

Anonymous wrote:

even if one heartbroken blue pill types something like “love is bulls~~~” into a search engine in a magic red pill moment, Mgtow.com or any other manosphere page does not come up. (That need to be changed somehow if possible.)

That is SEO related; it’s a case of targeting keywords for the websites, long tail phrases like “love is bulls~~~”. The issue for this is that stereotypically those kind of phrases are associated with females. Resultantly there is a monopoly on “love” related content by female orientated websites. I noticed something before which I found very telling of the bias.

Check these links one after the other:

1) Quotes About Women Not Needing Men

2) Quotes About Men Not Needing Women

No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.

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